Ordinance & Legal Review Committee
Regular MeetingBelleville, IL · October 11, 2016
Minutes
CITY OF BELLEVILLE, ILLINOIS
ORDINANCE AND LEGAL REVIEW COMMITTEE
CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
OCTOBER 11, 2016 6:00 PM
Alderman Wigginton called the meeting to order.
Aldermen present on roll call: Alderman Kinsella, Alderman Pusa, Alderman Galetti,
Alderman White and Alderman Wigginton.
Members Present: Mayor Eckert and City Attorney Hoerner.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
Michael Hagberg
Mr. Hagberg stated he has not had a lot of time to read the latest revision in the printed version
of the code. It seems you can randomly pick a page and find errors on it. He wishes this
committee would have taken time to go through page by page to take care of the little errors and
some big errors i.e. pay of alderman. When reviewing the chapter regarding the pay of the
aldermen there is a long history of the last raise that was given in 2009 and it was based on a
chart and the chart is not included. All it needs to say is "the current aldermen salary is ..."
There is no dollar amount listed. You need to take the time reviewing and making the proper
changes before adopting the book on a whole.
MINUTES
Alderman Pusa made a motion seconded by Alderman Kinsella to accept the minutes of
September 13, 2016.
All members present voted aye.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
Consideration of AN ORDINANCE ENACTING A CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR THE
CITY OF BELLEVILLE, ILLINOIS, REVISING, AMENDING, RESTATING,
CODIFYING AND COMPILING CERTAIN EXISTING GENERAL ORDINANCES OF
THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION DEALING WITH SUBJECTS EMBRACED IN SUCH
CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY
Alderman White stated at the last council meeting he commented he was disappointed in how
this had progressed. He has gone through several chapters and marked it up but does not know
who to send it too.
Alderman White referenced the administration states "when an alderman addresses or makes a
motion or addresses the chair he/she are supposed to stand and the microphone and request
permission. This does not happen. Alderman White referenced the Human Rights Committee
and stated he has never seen anyone appointed to that committee nor any action, so why is it in
our code.
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October 11, 2016
Alderman Kinsella recommended reviewing the Code 250 pages at a time. Alderman Kinsella
also recommended having two meetings per month until the code has been reviewed. Alderman
White concurs and stated this is what should have been done from the start. There should have
been organization, assignments, tracking etc. He understands that any changes that are made
will cost per page.
Alderman Wigginton stated several things have been brought to the attention of the committee;
however, no calls at City Hall with concerns. There has been no feedback from the public.
Alderman Wigginton referenced Mr. Hagberg, as a citizen, and suggested if he finds things he
needs to bring them to the city attorney or committee.
Alderman Wigginton stated if he looks through the code he may find one error; however, he is
relying on the city attorney and American Legal.
Alderman Galetti asked if anyone knows the City Attorney's opinion; Alderman Wigginton
stated the city attorney worked on it and is ready to move forward.
Alderman Ovian recommended asking the city attorney for a summary of changes in each
section.
Alderman White requested a special meeting be scheduled with the city attorney present so the
committee can ascertain what has been done.
The committee agreed to have Alderman Wigginton contact the city attorney and schedule a
special meeting.
MISCELLANEOUS & NEW BUSINESS
None.
ADJOURNMENT
Alderman Pusa made a motion seconded by Alderman Galetti to adjourn the meeting at 6:23
p.m.
All members present voted aye.
__/s/ Roger Wigginton______________
Alderman Roger Wigginton, Chairman
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Agenda
AGENDA
CITY OF BELLEVILLE -
ORDINANCE & LEGAL REVIEW COMMITTEE
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 11, 2016 AT 6:00 PM
FIRE DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATION BUILDING
1125 SOUTH ILLINOIS STREET, BELLEVILLE, ILLINOIS
1. CALL TO ORDER BY CHAIRMAN WIGGINTON
2. EXPLANATION OF DISASTER PROCEDURE
3. ROLL CALL ALDERMEN
4. ROLL CALL DEPARTMENTS HEADS
5. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION (2-3 MINUTES PER PERSON)
See reverse side
6. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
6-A. Ordinance and Legal Review Meeting – September 13, 2016.
7. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
7-A. Consideration of AN ORDINANCE ENACTING A CODE OF
ORDINANCES FOR THE CITY OF BELLEVILLE, ILLINOIS,
REVISING, AMENDING, RESTATING, CODIFYING AND
COMPILING CERTAIN EXISTING GENERAL ORDINANCES OF
THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION DEALING WITH SUBJECTS
EMBRACED IN SUCH CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND DECLARING
AN EMERGENCY.
8. MISCELLANEOUS & NEW BUSINESS
9. EXECUTIVE SESSION
The Ordinance and Legal Committee may go into executive session to discuss personnel,
litigation, privacy and safety.
10. ADJOURNMENT (ALL QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE PRIORITY OF
BUSINESS SHALL BE DECIDED BY THE CHAIR WITHOUT DEBATE,
SUBJECT TO APPEAL)
ORDINANCE AND LEGAL REVEIW AGENDA
OCTOBER 11, 2016
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION (2-3 MINUTES PER PERSON)
(a) Members of the public may address the City Council in accordance with Section 2.06(g) of
the Illinois Open Meetings Act (5 ILCS 120/2.06(g);
(b) Public comments are limited to three (3) minutes per speaker;
(c) The subject of public comments shall be reasonably related to matters(s) identified on the
meeting agenda and/or other city business;
(d) Repetitive public comments should be avoided, to the extent practical, through adoption of
prior public comment (e.g. agreeing with prior speaker);
(e) The following conduct is prohibited during public participation:
• Acting or appearing in a lewd or disgraceful manner;
• Using disparaging, obscene or insulting language;
• Personal attacks impugning character and/or integrity;
• Intimidation;
• Disorderly conduct as defined in Section 30-1-2 of this revised code of ordinances.
(f) Any speaker who engages in such prohibited conduct during public participation shall
be called to order by the chair or ruling by the chair if a point of order is made by a
sitting alderman.
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CITY OF BELLEVILLE, ILLINOIS
ORDINANCE AND LEGAL REVIEW COMMITTEE
CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
SEPTEMBER 13, 2016 6:00 PM
Alderman Wigginton called the meeting to order.
Aldermen present on roll call: Alderman Kinsella, Alderman Pusa, Alderman
Galetti, Alderman White and Alderman Wigginton.
Members Present: Mayor Eckert and City Attorney Hoerner.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
Michael Hagberg
Asked for a show of hands from the aldermen as to who has picked up the new
codification books. Asked for a show of hands from the aldermen on who has read
it cover to cover. This is what is being passed. Anything that is in the book is
code and anything that has been taken out is no longer a code. Although there
were ordinance before that got deleted that means it's no longer code.
Two months ago, he asked for the draft to be posted on the website and it was;
however, the draft has a number of sections that were removed from the final
version that has been delivered to the aldermen.
All in all, he is very disappointed in what was promised from American Legal
Publishing and what was delivered. The city was told they had a group of 16
lawyers that were going to go through every line of the ordinances and make
comments and clean it up e.g. open burn. There is a paragraph in the code
regarding the history of open burn. All it needs to say is opening burning is not
permitted in Belleville. That fives ago you could burn on certain days.
In the final version, the assistant city clerk and the assistant treasurer sections are
just gone. Those are no longer ordinances. Who was behind taking those out and
why?
He would like the final draft posted back on the website with ample time for the
public to review.
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September 13, 2016
Rick Brown
Ordinance 7667 has been blown out of proportion by the media. Everyone is
making comments. He will stipulate Ordinance 7667 was passed legally; however,
he will also stipulate that Ordinance 7667 was to clarify that each and every
dwelling in the city that you must have the names of the occupants on the
occupancy permit. This was not meant for inspections when people move in or
back in.
What happened 14 months ago is Bob Sabo, on his own, without an ordinance
started when someone needed to be added to the occupancy permit i.e. child, sick
adult, marriage an inspection was needed by a public official. This is an illegal
search. The fee is $60/inspection and $50/occupancy permit. This is an existing
occupancy. We are not talking about a vacant house that was sold.
At the meeting on February 6th it was specifically stated "will I need an inspection
to have someone move in on an existing occupancy". (Mr. Brown played a video)
No fee and no inspection on an existing occupancy when a name is added. An
inspection is a search of within the meaning of the 4th Amendment.
Director of Health and Housing, Bob Sabo, stated when Mr. Hagberg was speaking
about the occupancy permits was pre-1988. The discussion was pre-1988 to after
1988. If you lived in your home prior to 1988, prior to the ordinance change in
2013. All that is required is the bedroom measurements. Regarding the fee...this is
a separate $25/fee to add someone.
MINUTES
Alderman Kinsella made a motion seconded by Alderman White to accept the
minutes of July 13, 2016.
All members present voted aye.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
Consideration of AN ORDINANCE ENACTING A CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR THE
CITY OF BELLEVILLE, ILLINOIS, REVISING, AMENDING, RESTATING,
CODIFYING AND COMPILING CERTAIN EXISTING GENERAL ORDINANCES OF
THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION DEALING WITH SUBJECTS EMBRACED IN SUCH
CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY
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Alderman Wigginton recommended tabling this until everyone has time to review.
City Attorney Hoerner stated there is not a timeline regarding the proposed
ordinance. The changes received from American Legal and Publishing were
submitted from the various departments.
Alderman Randle requested to have the CSOs deliver the books; Mayor Eckert
stated that can be done before Friday.
Alderman Galetti made a motion seconded by Alderman White to table until the
October 11, 2016.
Discussion...
Alderman White would like to see this move forward.
All members present voted aye.
Discussion concerning Chapter 33, Article II (Certificate of Occupancy) of the
City’s Revised Code of Ordinances
City Attorney Hoerner stated this was addressed at a ordinance and legal review
committee meeting on December 11, 2012. There was a discussion concerning the
proposed amendment. It appears based on the minutes there was a provision that
would give one year to add a newborn child on the occupancy permit. The most
important thing to focus on is what does the ordinance require. City Attorney
Hoerner reviewed Chapter 33. Anytime you have a change, including the names
on the occupancy permit, then that triggers a new application stated as the law is
written. An inspection should be valid for one year, a dwelling unit does not have
to be re-inspected during that year even though the occupancy changes.
The chapter reads a change in occupancy triggers the application process. Which
if beyond a year wouldn't necessary trigger the inspection process. What the city
does in practice is not enforce the ordinance the same way all the time.
Circumstances are different and there is nothing inappropriate about how you
decided to enforce since discretion is used. With respect with what they do in
practice and the interpretation that Mr. Sabo had with Chapter 33-2-2(b) is
consistent with what he was told by the city attorney at that time and City Attorney
Hoerner concurs.
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Director of Health and Housing, Bob Sabo, stated after the ordinance came into
effect he had a meeting with the staff regarding how the ordinance would be
enforced. There were certain stipulations that were discussed. He stated they have
discretion to be used in different ways. If someone came in and wanted to add a
new born they would be issued a new occupancy permit and would not charged.
Alderman Wigginton asked Mr. Sabo about complaints received; Mr. Sabo stated
some of the landlords complain. Mr. Sabo stated if the city would like to take the
discretion away that would be great and make their jobs a lot easier. If someone
does not agree with the decision they can appeal.
Alderman Anthony stated prior to 1988 the only thing that would be requested is
bedroom measurements. Mr. Sabo stated if the house is sold the new owners
would have to comply with the new requirements. In some cases, the houses date
back to the 1950s have never been inspected. Alderman Anthony stated after 1988
what type of inspections; Mr. Sabo stated they send in an inspector and if they see
anything that has been changed he will call in the techs.
(Alderman Galetti leaves at 6:50 p.m.) Alderman Galetti stated he is good with the
current ordinance.
Alderman White asked for an explanation of the appeal process; Mr. Sabo stated it
is in the 2006 Property Maintenance Code. The person appealing has 20 day to
submit a letter objecting. Since Mr. Sabo has held the position (four years) he has
had three appeals.
City Attorney Hoerner stated there are numerous cities in the State of Illinois that
have occupancy ordinances.
Rick Brown (2 minutes)
The inspection is good for the year. If this ordinance was passed on February 19,
2013 by the council why didn't Mr. Sabo implementing on that date. The new
policy of when family members move back in was implemented four months ago.
Mr. Sabo stated when Mr. Brown came in it was discussed about the occupancy
permit that was changed back in 2013. The department had a new employee and
she did not fully understand the provisions of the occupancy permit; however, that
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has been resolved. Mr. Brown stated no other city in the county makes an
inspection for adding someone to the occupancy.
Alderman Randle asked what constitutes an illegal search; City Attorney Hoerner
stated the issues associated with search under the Fourth Amendment for housing
inspection are different than criminal...it's a lesser standard. City Attorney Hoerner
stated he asked Captain Eiskant and he stated they do not do inspections with
additions to the occupants.
Alderman Pusa stated she has never received a call regarding inspections.
Alderman Randle asked Mr. Brown what does he want; Mr. Brown stated he wants
the people of this city that have a legal occupancy and have had an inspection and
when they have to take care of their family is to add them to their occupancy
permit. Possession doesn't change. Possession is the people authorized to be there.
City Attorney Hoerner stated Mr. Brown is incorrect. If you read the section in its
entirety (if there is a new occupant there is a change in occupancy). A tenant is an
occupant.
Alderman Kinsella stated he does not see any changes are necessary. Alderman
Kinsella stated Mr. Brown has been given a full hearing; however, he does not
agree with the interpretation.
Mayor Eckert stated a healthy discussion has been held. Mayor Eckert stated Mr.
Brown has been very hard on Mr. Sabo publically. Mayor Eckert stated Mr. Sabo
took harsh comments at many meetings.
Alderman Wigginton stated the city does not have a rogue housing director. City
Attorney Hoerner stated this is the law, this is the ordinance. The department
heads need to be given leeway to run their departments. If not, why are there
departments.
Alderman Wigginton stated Mr. Brown is the only individual that has brought this
up time and time again.
Alderman Wigginton does not deem necessary to send to council.
MISCELLANEOUS & NEW BUSINESS
Consideration of AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTERS 50, 51 TITLE 15
CHAPTER 161 (SUBDIVISIONS)
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Director of Wastewater, Royce Carlisle, explained the penalties and fines which
would be associated with commercial/industrial properties. This is mandated
through IEPA. A pre-treatment ordinance is required and within that ordinance
there are certain items i.e. Peerless Premier, Weyerhaeuser, Rausch Enamel,
Empire and Quality Plating. During an audit in 2015 the USEPA was present to
review the ordinances and they found that the city's fines and penalties were too
low. Mr. Carlisle stated none of the businesses have been fined.
Alderman White made a motion seconded by Alderman Pusa to approve amending
Chapters 50, 51 Title 15 and Chapter 161 (subdivisions).
All members present voted aye.
ADJOURNMENT
Alderman White made a motion seconded by Alderman Pusa to adjourn the
meeting at 7:23 p.m.
All members present voted aye.
_______________________________
Alderman Roger Wigginton, Chairman
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