Ordinance & Legal Review Committee
Regular MeetingBelleville, IL · October 13, 2020
Minutes
CITY OF BELLEVILLE, ILLINOIS
ORDINANCE AND LEGAL REVIEW COMMITTEE
OCTOBER 13, 2020 6: 00 PM
VIA TELECONFERENCE
Alderman Wigginton called the meeting to order.
Aldermen present on roll call: Alderman Hazel, Alderman Puss, Alderman Randle,
Alderwoman Stiehl and Alderman Wigginton.
Staff Present: Mayor Eckert, City Clerk Meyer, City Attorney Hoerner, City Treasurer Hardt,
RCDS, Director, Annissa McCaskill.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
None.
MINUTES
Alderman Randle made a motion seconded by Alderwoman Stiehl to accept the minutes of
September 17, 2020.
Members voting aye on roll call: Hazel, Puss, Randle, Stiehl, Wigginton, Mayor Eckert. ( 6)
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
RCDS, Director, Annissa McCaskill advised at the March 10, 2020 meeting Alderman Randle
raised an issue regarding setback criteria for fences.
Staff has conducted a search of the Code and Alderman Randle is correct; our Code does not
establish a fencing setback. This is not uncommon based upon staff s experience with and review
of codes of other jurisdictions. However, what is uncommon is that our Code does not explicitly
state when a fence may be located. Most municipal or other jurisdictional codes specifically state
that a fence may be located along lot lines. We address height for various scenarios, but do not
specify location. In our review or our Code and others, we have determined that this clarification
is necessary.
Staff is not recommending that fencing of permissible height be subject to building setbacks.
However, staff does recommend that the code implicitly state that said structures may be located
along lot lines. Staffalso recommends that we add the criteria that where a fence may be over the
permissible height due to variance or other zoning requirement, that the accessory structure setback
criteria for the zoning district be maintained. Staff has also determined that there is no
consideration of fence height when a fence is combined with a retaining wall; we would seek to
clarify this as well.
Finally, staff has found that both our Subdivision
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have sections relative to
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fencing that should be combined to be reflective
standard practices.
Ordinance& Lege) Review Minutes
October 11, 2020
be established a section of the Zoning Code entitled" Fences, Walls, Hedges" that will consolidate
the information in the Subdivision and Zoning Codes in one location.
With the Committee' s permission, staff seeks direction to make the amendments as stated above
and return to the Committee for review and recommendation to the full City Council.
Discussion...
Alderman Haul asked to address the retaining wall issue and suggest the height is a combination
of retaining wall and fence be measured from the ground level of the usable yard. Ms. McCaskill
advised the City is silent on this type of language in the Code.
Alderman Randle asked when you refer to setbacks, building setbacks are we taking into
consideration the alley; Ms. McCaskill stated the Code does state there can be no fencing in City
right-of-way. This language should be clarified. Alderman Randle advised there are utility lines
that run through the alleys so will there be provisions for utility services to have access. Ms.
McCaskill stated typically when a person does anything on their property line and into the
easement they do so at their own risk with the understanding if the utility company has to do any
work the utility company can take it out and do the necessary work.
Alderwoman Stiehl suggested Ms. McCaskill check with Belleville Fence Company or Chesley
Fence and seek their recommendation. Ms. McCaskill the fence companies offset approximately
a foot; however, even then people call and say it' s on the lot line.
Alderman Randle asked the City requires a building permit; Ms. McCaskill advised no.
Alderman Wigginton asked if fence requests come before Zoning; Ms. McCaskill advised they
only come to Zoning if they go above six( 6) feet.
Alderman Haul stated he does not want to overregulate this issue.
Ms. McCaskill will review and work with the City Attorney and bring back to this committee. If
this committee accepts it will go to the Zoning Board and then to City Council.
MISCELLANEOUS& NEW BUSINESS
Motion to approve amendments to Title III (Administration), Chapter 32,( Organizations),
Section 32. 059( Human Relations Commission Membership)
Mayor Eckert advised he is needing to add members to the Human Relations Commission. Lyn
Clapp has an individual that does not live in Belleville proper; however, he has experience in
pas[ employment, mediation.
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Alderman Hazel made a motion seconded by Alderman Pusa to approve amendments to Title III
Administration), Chapter 32,( Organizations), Section 32.059( Human Relations Commission
Membership)
Members voting aye on roll call: Hazel, Puss, Randle, Stiehl, Wigginton, Mayor Eckert. (6)
Possible motion to approve amendments to Title XV (Land Usage), Chapter 51 ( Electrical
Code), Section 151. 02( A)(e)( 1)( Electrical Commission)
Mayor Eckert advised them were two new positions added to the Electrical Commission. Tom
Bell was appointed and lives in Belleville. The other individual, Joe Hamist, has his business in
Belleville; however, does not live in Belleville. Mr. Hamist lives outside of the corporate city
limits; however, has a Belleville zip code.
Alderwoman Stiehl made a motion seconded by Alderman Hazel to approve amendments to Title
XV( Land Usage), Chapter 51 ( Electrical Code), Section 151. 02(A)(e)( 1)( Electrical Commission)
Members voting aye on roll call: Hazel, Puss, Randle, Stiehl, Wigginton, Mayor Eckert. ( 6)
Alderman Randle asked if the City is looking at other portions of the Code to make it easier for
development in the City; Mayor Eckert stated once he gets the commission back he will sit down
and discuss with Tom Bell and Tim Evans, Electrical Union on streamlining the Code.
ADJOURNMENT
Alderwoman Stiehl made a motion seconded by Alderman Pusa to adjourn the meeting at 6: 39
p.m.
Members voting aye on roll call: Hazel, Pusa, Randle, Stiehl, Wigginton, Mayor Eckert. ( 6)
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Agenda
ORDINANCE & LEGAL AGENDA
CITY OF BELLEVILLE
OCTOBER 13, 2020 AT 6:00 PM
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1. CALL TO ORDER BY CHAIRMAN WIGGINTON
2. EXPLANATION OF DISASTER PROCEDURE
3. ROLL CALL ALDERMEN
4. ROLL CALL DEPARTMENTS HEADS
5. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION (2-3 MINUTES PER PERSON)
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6. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
6-A. Motion to approve minutes of September 17, 2020 and amended minutes of
March 10, 2020.
7. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
ORDINANCE AND LEGAL REVEIW AGENDA
OCTOBER 13, 2020
7-A. Discussion on privacy fence regulations/requirements.
March 10, 2020 minutes: Alderman Randle said if you do a search in the Code of Ordinance for
“privacy fences” it becomes tedious. What he has found when someone decides they want to
build a privacy fence the City has no guidelines in place for them. We have a section or two (2)
that mentions “no higher than six feet” if you want to go higher than six feet you must come in
and get a variance. There is nothing in there regarding setbacks from your neighbor’s property.
Rule of thumb keep it two feet inside your property line so you can mow. Recently he had a
neighbor say someone is putting up a privacy fence next door, don’t know where it is going up
and the next thing you know its from inside the property line and where the property line ends on
the other side. Is there room for them to get between their own privacy fence. The back of the
fence is six feet tall and the side fences are only 3’ 6”. Should we have setbacks from the city’s
right of way from that alley. He requested staff to review where privacy fences are addressed in
ordinances so we can address the inconsistencies and provides guidelines for setbacks so RCDS
have guidelines.”
8. MISCELLANEOUS & NEW BUSINESS
8-A. Possible motion to approve amendments to Title III (Administration), Chapter
32, (Organizations), Section 32.059 (Human Relations Commission
Membership).
8-B. Possible motion to approve amendments to Title XV (Land Usage), Chapter 51
(Electrical Code), Section 151.02(A)(e)(1) (Electrical Commission).
9. ADJOURNMENT (ALL QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE
PRIORITY OF BUSINESS SHALL BE DECIDED BY THE CHAIR
WITHOUT DEBATE, SUBJECT TO APPEAL)
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