Ordinance & Legal Review Committee
Regular MeetingBelleville, IL · June 8, 2021
Minutes
CITY OF BELLEVILLE, ILLINOIS
ORDINANCE AND LEGAL REVIEW COMMITTEE
JUNE 8, 20215: 30 PM
HYBRID MEETING
Alderman Wigginton called the meeting to order.
Aldermen present on roll call: Alderman Wigginton, Alderwoman Eros, Alderman Randle,
Alderwoman Stiehl, Alderman Elmore.
Staff Present: Mayor Gregory, City Clerk Meyer, City Attorney Hoerner, Lt. Col. Eiskant,
Human Resource Director, Seth Miller, City Treasurer, Sarah Bierman.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
Julie Orlet
Requesting the noise level downtown to be addressed. She has lived downtown for seven( 7) years.
She has had several people ask how she likes living downtown and her response has been " it' s
great, it' s like Bedford Falls". It' s nice, you can hear the saxophone from Tavern on Main. In the
last year it has become like Pottersville. It' s loud, she witnessed a street brawl. She cannot leave
her windows open or sit on her deck due to the noise.
She has encouraged people to move downtown to thrive and grow and it' s not a pleasant place to
be now. The noise goes from Wednesday— Sunday.
She has considered living in Amsterdam, Denver, Nashville and Kansas City. Even in the loudest
area in Nashville it' s pleasant and livable. She has traveled to see neighborhoods working and has
never come upon this kind of noise.
She reached out to a suburb in Chicago and found they have a noise ordinance.
She requests the powers to consider putting something in place so that those people that choose to
live downtown can enjoy the downtown, leave their windows open.
Geri Boyer
She submitted her correspondence to the committee so everyone should have had a chance to
review the noise study. She hired a professional to come in at the request of her attorney to spend
the weekend at her loft without anyone there measuring the noise.
It is in violation of the EPA regulations of noise. She spoke with the police and the ordinance in
place now is no sound from your property which is part of the nuisance ordinance and it' s hard to
enforce downtown.
She does not want to hurt any businesses she wants businesses to thrive as well as residential to
thrive.
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She is requesting an ordinance that is enforceable and manageable for everyone. She and Copper
Fire with their attorneys have been working together. Last Thursday they put the music on in their
building and they tested to see if they can hear in the attached building. They are getting familiar
with the volumes. We need to get to levels where everyone can co- exist.
Karl Gilpin
From the get- go when they agreed to take on the project the biggest concern was the amount of
noise which would come from 618 Big Daddy' s. Between he and Geri Boyer they have invested
the most money on East Main Street as far as mixed-use buildings. They have residences and
office space. Often there are vehicles blaring music. He would like a noise ordinance so people
can sleep.
Bennie Parr
He understands the concern regarding noise. He does believe some of this is due to street closures,
bands on streets. Bars and restaurants would not want the ordinance; however, they understand
with the problems they would request to be involved in the decision making.
Paul Petruska
He represents Copper Fire. The EPA has established guidelines for this and does not believe that
an additional local ordinance will be necessary or even wanted. A business and neighbor dispute
should be played out and see how it goes. This has been a long process and recently both parties
are working together to work this out. Copper Fire is trying to address the issue and a noise
ordinance issue especially in the downtown area can present a huge problem.
Dave Schoenborn
He agrees with what has been said. The noise problem is much worse with motorcycles and blaring
radios. It' s hard to enjoy dining outside. This is not enforced. There are some states that do
enforce i.e. Downtown Denver enforces the noise decibels. There are other avenues to help i.e.
insulation. Ifyou are building an office building you must make sure the walls are thick. You can
build a hotel at the end of an airport runway and not hear the planes.
He asks to look at entertainment.
MINUTES
Alderman Randle made a motion seconded by Alderwoman Stiehl to accept the minutes of May
11, 2021.
Members voting aye on roll call: Eros, Randle, Stiehl, Elmore, Wigginton. (5)
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS
None.
MISCELLANEOUS& NEW BUSINESS
Consideration of Amendment to Title VII (Traffic Code), Chapter 77( Non-Highway Vehicles),
Section 77. 05 ( Permits) ofthe Non-Highway Vehicle Ordinance.
Consideration of Amendment to Title IX( General Regulations), Chapter 90 ( Animal Control),
Section 90. 27( Registration) of the Beekeeper Ordinance.
Consideration of Amendment to Title VII( Traffic Code), Chapter 73 ( Traffic Rules and Driving
Regulations), Section 73. 33 ( Hospital Quiet Zones).
Discussion...
City Clerk Meyer stated she met with Master Sergeant Rust and Detective Wallace to discuss
annual reinspection of golf carts. Recommending only one inspection at initial application and if
there is a handicap sticker to provide proof.
City Clerk Meyer advised this is taking out to register with Public Works and add Health, Housing
and Building and address to be removed.
City Clerk Meyer advised " quiet noise around St. Elizabeth' s Hospital" was still in the Code. This
will be removed.
Alderman Randle made a motion seconded by Alderman Stiehl to approve the following motions:
Motion to amend Title VII( Traffic Code), Chapter 77 ( Non-Highway Vehicles), Section
77.05 ( Permits) of the Non- Highway Vehicle Ordinance.
Motion to amend Title IX( General Regulations), Chapter 90( Animal Control), Section
90. 27 ( Registration) of the Beekeeper Ordinance.
Motion to amend Title VII (Traffic Code), Chapter 73 ( Traffic Rules and Driving
Regulations), Section 73. 33 ( Hospital Quiet Zones).
Members voting aye on roll call: Eros, Randle, Stiehl, Elmore, Wigginton. ( 5)
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Consideration of Amendment to Title III( Administration), Chapter 31 ( Officials and
Employees; General Administration), Section 31. 009 ( Appointment of Employees).
Discussion...
Human Resource Director, Seth Miller, advised the reason for this is he has been in his current
position for a month he understands the restriction residency is causing with being progressive. He
has heard " we have always done it this way" however we are coming across a limited pool of
applicants and individuals able to work for the City.
The City is creating a hardship for certain employees because they cannot sell their home, they fall
in a timeline when they must move into the City limits.
He is asking to relax the rules for non-union individuals for the radius of St. Clair County. i.e.
what better way to open the City. This is a new time, new day after the Pandemic and we are not
afraid of change.
Mayor Gregory stated part of the issue that has come up with people that are applying forjobs and
the appointee position some employees are required to live in the City and some employees don' t
have to live in the City. This has caused questions and comments from employees.
Alderman Wigginton asked the pros and cons; Mayor Gregory stated we are getting people that
are already working for the City. If we had it a fair way across the board and we would have the
opportunity to bring in fresh ideas and get people that would apply for the position. The Economic
Development position will be difficult to fill, and we will have to bring in people that live in other
areas and hopefully they will be prone to move to our City.
Alderman Wigginton stated if you work for the City you should live in the City; Mayor Gregory
stated that has been in surrounding communities. With progression and progress made with the
internet, during the Pandemic. There were so many people working from home even in our own
employment. There are many employees that will not be going back to their offices.
Alderwoman Stiehl recommended changing you must become a resident within 15 months to St.
Clair County.
Alderman Randle stated what is being proposed is that any person hived on a full-time basis by the
City must reside within St. Clair County within 15 months.
Alderman Elmore stated he does not have a problem with the 15- month timeframe. There can be
flexibility with employees depending on the market. Alderman Elmore advised he has heard from
current employees that there is a bitterness about being treated unfairly. Some feel they were
denied to buy or sell while someone else were allowed too.
Alderman Randle stated he works for one of the largest financial firms around and they attract
talent from all areas. They have no restrictions where people should reside. He feels the City is
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holding back from employing the best and brightest. Especially younger folks that will bring
knowledge. He hates that we would restrict talent based on location.
Alderman Wigginton recommended taking down the boundaries and pull the surrounding area.
Alderman Randle mentioned the first responders and that will need to be addressed. He
recommended going out to 18 months.
City Attorney Hoemer advised this applies to non-union employees. Most employees are in
collective bargaining units. Please keep in mind this will at some point impact union employees.
Human Resource Director, Seth Miller, stated great points have been made; however, at the end
ofthe day, he wanted to bring forth a new change because if we don' t, we will stay stagnate because
of fear. Our neighbor the City of O' Fallon does not have these restrictions.
Alderwoman Eros stated she likes all the positive; however, the negative she was hearing was in
response to the first responder time. The language needs to specify certain employees, certain
departments. We need to consider certain positions.
Alderman Elmore stated since 2009 he has been a big proponent of hiring within the City and
wanting City employees living in the City. This is 2021, it' s time to move forward.
Alderman Randle made a motion to approve seconded by Alderman Elmore to amend Title III
Administration), Chapter 31 ( Officials and Employees; General Administration), Section 31. 009
Appointment of Employees) with changing 15 months to 18 months.
Lt. Col. Eiskant stated you must consider whether this is the street department, police department
etc. If you have two appointed officers that are required to live in the City and you have Captains
and below that don' t have to live in the City the next progression would be Asst. Cbief, Chief,
Director of Public Works, and then they find a stopping point because they don' t live in the City.
Members voting aye on roll call: Eros, Randle, Stiehl, Elmore, Wigginton. ( 5)
Consideration of Amendment to Sections 31. 007 and 34. 005 of the Revised Code of
Ordinances to Incorporate the Qualifications- Based Selection Process for Architects,
Engineers and Land Surveyors set forth in the Illinois Local Government Professional
Services Selection Act( 50 ILCS 510/, et. seq.)
Mayor Gregory stated the reason why this was brought up is because she has always known that
no bid contracts for professional vendor services is correct. You can have no bid contract
however, you must have Quality Base Review with Federal money.
First, we have several firms in our City, we have had firms move out of our City. We can ask for
submittals for Quality Base Review and the selection committee can choose three firms of various
fields. This will be information that can save the City money.
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City Attorney Hoemer stated there is a local government Professional Service Act. It applies to
municipalities, counties, school districts etc. It exempts home rule municipalities. He sees no
harm in it. A sentence can be added adopting the process. He recommended to school districts to
use the Professional Services Act as a model.
Mayor Gregory asked City Attorney Hoemer those school districts that followed the Quality Base
Review saved money in the end; City Attorney Hoerner advised you have a better product.
Alderwoman Stiehl stated she is in favor of the Quality Base Review.
Alderman Randle asked if there is a timeframe in which the rating system should occur; City
Attorney Hoerner advised the ranking system only applies to specific projects.
Mayor Gregory stated she would like to see the City do this by project; City Attorney Hoemer
advised that is what the law requires unless you have a satisfactory relationship.
Alderman Wigginton asked who would be on the selection committee; Mayor Gregory stated she
hopes it will be like the Planning Commission. Where you will have a combination of City
employees and professional individuals. Alderman Randle stated the Act spells out the City
Engineer in part of the process.
City Attorney Hoemer recommended adopting the Statute and determine the composition of the
committee later; Alderman Elmore concurred.
Alderwoman Eros asked what the request for qualification will look like; City Attorney Hoerner
advised it is project driven and is usually done administratively. The response does not contain
financials it only contains experience/qualifications.
Alderman Wigginton advised this will be a fair process which will be open to all firms.
Alderman Elmore made a motion seconded by Alderwoman Stiehl to approve the amendment to
Sections 31. 007 and 34.005 of the Revised Code of Ordinances to Incorporate the Qualifications-
Based Selection Process for Architects, Engineers and Land Surveyors set forth in the Illinois
Local Government Professional Services Selection Act( 50 ILCS 510/, et. seq.)
Members voting aye on roll call: Eros, Randle, Stiehl, Elmore, Wigginton. ( 5)
Consideration of Incorporation Removal Provisions for Chapter 32 ( Organizations) to include
Historical Preservation Commission, Downtown Belleville Development and Redevelopment
Commission, Library, Planning Commission and the Playground and Recreation Board.
City Attorney Hoemer advised under Chapter 31. 059 is a revision made in 2017. This says the
Mayor can appoint and the Mayor can remove.
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Alderwoman Eros asked why this is being done; City Attorney Hoemer advised there was an
inequity regarding this section, and it was discovered it only contemplated officers and so in the
absence of any other provision there is no basis to remove/replace.
Alderwoman Stiehl made a motion seconded by Alderman Randle to approve the Incorporation
Removal Provisions for Chapter 32 ( Organizations) to include Historical Preservation
Commission, Downtown Belleville Development and Redevelopment Commission, Library,
Planning Commission and the Playground and Recreation Board.
Members voting aye on roll call: Eros, Randle, Stiehl, Elmore, Wigginton. (5)
Discussion of a Local Noise Ordinance.
Lt. Col. Eiskant advised over the last six months the Belleville Police Department has had a range
of complaints throughout the City and downtown.
Throughout the City there were 312 noise complaints for the 12 months. The noise complaints
range from loud vehicles, loud music in their apartment. There was talk earlier of the noise of
vehicles downtown and placement of an officer at an intersection. Out of the 312 calls only two
of those were downtown directed at Copper Fire. Most of the complaints are generated from
residential areas not commercial areas.
The Police Department has received six or seven complaints that were reported to a patrolman that
went out to investigate the noise from bands. Initially the officers would go out and determine if
the noise was reasonable or unreasonable. If you look at all the policies and procedures for law
enforcement and many of case law from the Supreme Court most law enforcement is based on
reasonable or unreasonable. Regarding Copper Fire the first four or five times it was deemed
unreasonable amount of noise.
The Illinois EPA has standards of decibel that are allowable to emit. It talks about a commercial
business emitting a certain amount of sound onto a residential premise and vice versa The decibel
reader the police department has goes from a range of 50- 8000. The ] EPA allows decibel levels
are 72 decibels before 10: 00pm and 63 decibels after 10: 00pm. When the officer took the decibel
reading in May is was in the low 60s.
Ms. Boyer had a company come out and measurer at different hertz with much better equipment.
After researching several jurisdictions on noise; they use reasonable or unreasonable standard.
Something he did find in their ordinance that we don' t have is timeframe. You cannot emit noise
over your property on certain days with certain times. Lt. Col. Eiskant recommended inserting
times in the ordinance.
Alderman Elmore advised there is a bar on the East end, and they are using an outdoor Dl.
Alderman Elmore advised when Wing in other communities he had to tum off the sub at 10: 00pm
and recommends doing a test in Belleville.
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Lt. Col. Eiskant stated St. Clair County uses an ordinance that states noise emanating from any use
shall not be at such volume or frequency as to be unreasonably offensive at or beyond the property
lines.
Alderwoman Stiehl stated she has received several phone calls, entails and she researched noise
levels through OSHA. OSHA states any decibel above 70 should not be allowed for more than two
hours at a time.
Alderman Randle stated he was downtown Saturday night and it was a scene from American
Graffiti or Hollywood Nights it was cruising the miracle mile. The number of people running the
four-way stop sign at Jackson/ East Main Street was terrifying. He enjoyed the band but enjoyed
the band a lot more a half a block away. Allowing the business owners to be a part of the decision
making is worthwhile. Alderman Randle recommended Lt. Col. Eiskant to chair the meeting and
invite the individuals from downtown.
Lt. Col. Eiskant advised he will be looking at other communities i. e. Washington Street in St.
Louis, Delmar Loop.
Alderman Wigginton asked how we will get the people together to discuss; Mayor Gregory
advised you can use Belleville Main Street and the Chamber. Alderman Elmore requested the
Human Resource Director, Seth Miller, be included in the meeting. Alderwoman Eros
recommended including bars/restaurant throughout the City. Mayor Gregory would like Gigi
Urban-Dowling included in the meeting.
Gigi Urban-Dowling will schedule an advisory meeting with businesses that hire musicians and
notify all parties.
ADJOURNMENT
Alderman Randle made a motion seconded by Alderwoman Stiehl to adjourn the meeting at 7: 30
p.m.
Members voting aye on roll call: Eros, Randle, Stiehl, Elmore, Wigginton. (5)
Aldemtan Roger Wiggi ton, Chaimran
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Agenda
ORDINANCE & LEGAL AGENDA
CITY OF BELLEVILLE
JUNE 8, 2021 AT 5:30 PM
HYBRID MEETING
Please take notice that, pursuant to Section 7(e) of the Illinois Open
Meetings Act (5 ILCS 120/7(e)), the Gubernatorial Disaster Proclamation
issued by Governor JB Pritzker on April 30, 2021 and Executive Order
2021-10 (COVID-19 Executive Order No. 79) issued by Governor JB
Pritzker on May 17, 2021, the Ordinance & Legal Committee of the City
of Belleville is conducting its June 8, 2021 Ordinance & Legal Committee
Meeting in-person up to 60% capacity of the City Council Chambers (74
attendees, as well as by audio conference with the following remote access
for its members, staff and public unable to attend in-person, in
accordance with and subject to the applicable Bridge Phase:
TELEPHONIC ACCESS: DIAL 1 (618) 744-0424
1. CALL TO ORDER BY CHAIRMAN WIGGINTON
2. EXPLANATION OF DISASTER PROCEDURE
3. ROLL CALL ALDERMEN
4. ROLL CALL DEPARTMENTS HEADS
5. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION (2-3 MINUTES PER PERSON)
See reverse side
6. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
6-A. Motion to approve minutes of May 11, 2021.
7. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
8. MISCELLANEOUS & NEW BUSINESS
8-A. Consideration of Amendment to Title VII (Traffic Code), Chapter 77 (Non-
Highway Vehicles), Section 77.05 (Permits) of the Non-Highway Vehicle
Ordinance.
8-B. Consideration of Amendment to Title IX (General Regulations), Chapter 90
(Animal Control), Section 90.27 (Registration) of the Beekeeper Ordinance.
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JUNE 8, 2021
8-C. Consideration of Amendment to Title VII (Traffic Code), Chapter 73 (Traffic
Rules and Driving Regulations), Section 73.33 (Hospital Quiet Zones).
8-D. Consideration of Amendment to Title III (Administration), Chapter 31
(Officials and Employees; General Administration), Section 31.009
(Appointment of Employees).
8-E. Consideration of Amendment to Sections 31.007 and 34.005 of the Revised
Code of Ordinances to Incorporate the Qualifications-Based Selection Process
for Architects, Engineers and Land Surveyors set forth in the Illinois Local
Government Professional Services Selection Act (50 ILCS 510/, et. seq.)
8-F. Consideration of Incorporation Removal Provisions for Chapter 32
(Organizations) to include Historical Preservation Commission, Downtown
Belleville Development and Redevelopment Commission, Library, Planning
Commission and the Playground and Recreation Board.
8-G. Discussion of a Local Noise Ordinance
9. ADJOURNMENT (ALL QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE
PRIORITY OF BUSINESS SHALL BE DECIDED BY THE CHAIR
WITHOUT DEBATE, SUBJECT TO APPEAL)
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