City Council
Regular MeetingBillings, MT · September 3, 2019
Minutes
City Council Work Session
5:30 PM
Council Chambers
September 3, 2019
ATTENDANCE:
Mayor/Council (please check) √ Cole, √ Cromley, √ Yakawich, √ Neese,
√ Ewalt, √ Joy, √ Friedel, √ Gibbs, √ Ronning, √ Clark, √ Brown
CM excused: ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT
ADJOURN TIME: 7:45 pm
Agenda
TOPIC #1 Downtown Traffic Study
PRESENTER Katy Easton, CEO of Downtown Billings Association (DBA)
Erin Claunch, Engineer for City of Billings
Scott Walker, Transportation Planning Coordinator
NOTES/OUTCOME
Easton: Provides handout with 9 studies as well as emailing the council the
much larger list of studies online. These studies are the economic impact of the
conversion of one-way to two-way streets. Quotes an article on the pros and
cons of one-way versus two-way streets. Notes that cities of similar size as
Billings experience property values increases at a faster rate on two-way streets.
The DBA fully supports the conversion to two-way streets.
Friedel: Are there any studies that view one-way and two-way in conjunction?
i.e. a main throughway being one-way while the side streets being two-way?
Easton: Absolutely. Most of the streets are viewed in couplets two at a time.
Claunch: Provides a PowerPoint presentation and gives project history and
steps that have been taken on this project dating back to 2012. Next phase is to
hand it off to the Planning Department to be sent to the public for review. The
study is looking at the alternatives in conjunction with one another. The goal is
what can we build? Not what will we build? The Project Management Team
(PMT) was: Public Works - Engineering (PWE), Kittelson & Associates (KA), and
DOWL and members of the Project Advisory Committee (PAC). Timeline of
project beginning in May 2018-Current was given. Shown map of downtown
boundaries with which intersections were analyzed. Over 170 intersections were
analyzed. Showed which Eliminated Alternatives based on the current traffic flow
and north/south 2-ways study showing 4 recommended new traffic lights as well
as 2 new turn lanes. The estimated price -- $6 million. The plan would increase
mobility, driver expectancy, pedestrian safety. There is a potential loss of 60-70
parking stalls if angle parking was eliminated. Next alternative given showed
2nd/3rd Ave. N. becoming 2-ways. The estimated price -- $3-4 million. Three turn
lanes recommended, and 3 new traffic lights recommended. This plan has a loss
of 35-60 parking stalls, does include a plan for bike lanes. The next alternative is
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called a road diet (going from a three-lane to a two-lane road) on Montana
Avenue. This is a way to confine drivers and increase safety. The benefit is there
is little delay to time to drive the corridor, with a potential to add 47 parking stalls.
The estimated price is $1.5 million. This is also a state-owned road, so they
would have to approve. Next alternative is 6th Ave N. road diet. This alternative
has no impact to the parking, would also provide a bike lane connect. The
estimated cost is about $1.5 million. Next is N. 13th St. road diet. This project
increases space for potential parking and bike lane connectivity. N. 13th is
partially owned by the state so we would have to get approval from them. The
last alternative is Broadway closure. We found very minimal delay issues. The
cost is dependent on the extent of the plan (just putting up barricades or ripping
out the street and making it a pedestrian plaza). An overlay of all alternatives was
shown.
Brown: What is the total estimated cost if all alternatives were done.
Claunch: $10-$19 million.
Friedel: Where would we be gaining or loosing parking spots?
Claunch: That would be dependent on the planning and opinion of the public.
Mayor: You already said the goal of the first phase was not to prioritize these
projects, but how would the projects be prioritized?
Claunch: The public seems to most cite the need for 2nd and 3rd Avenues North
to be converted to 2-way.
Neese: Would the alleys be converted too?
Claunch: That wasn’t looked at, but hopefully the conversion of a street to 2-way
would minimize the use of the alleys.
Gibbs: What is the safety impact for people adjusting to what they are used to
being a one-way and is now a two-way?
Claunch: The expectations are the drivers are now looking both ways which
opens their eyes to bikers and pedestrians. All in all, 2-way is preferred for
safety.
Walker: Showed timeline of Phase 2, as beginning to engage the public.
Especially the property and business owners. Looking at about a 6-month time
frame to get the final plan out.
Ronning: During the last meeting, approved a budget for the Public Works to get
information to the public regarding the media contract they have. Is that contract
something you could utilize?
Walker: Yes, also a big part of this is engagement through public setting
meetings.
Kukulski: To refer to your earlier question Mayor Cole I also believe the
Montana Avenue project to be a high priority due to traffic calming, economic
impact, and adds parking where it’s needed.
Public Comment:
Ed Gullick, 3015 10th Avenue North, Billings, Montana: I am pleased we’re
going through this process. There is a need for increased bicycle safety
downtown. It looks like we’re going in a good direction as far as connections from
the heights to downtown.
Public Comment is Closed.
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TOPIC #2 South Billings Aquatic and Recreation Center
PRESENTER Steve Zeier, Director of SBBURD
Dusty Eaton, CEO of A&E Architects
NOTES/OUTCOME
Zeier: Introduces Dusty Eaton.
Eaton: Provided a PowerPoint presentation and stated this was a culmination of
8 months of work. She thanked all who contributed to the planning of the project
and provided input. Recapped the timeline starting with the Fall of 2017 a study
showing the need for an aquatic center down to today going through a review
process of the final plan with hopes of implementation of a funding committee.
Prioritization -- 1. Communication program needs 2. Operational Sustainability 3.
Community Partnerships 4. Image identity. Community input and forums were
very key to this plan. Reviewed six attributes that reflects the community’s market
research analysis showing the service area of 45 miles. Reviewed national
trends in activities. Received back 405 surveys within City of Billings and 100
surveys from outside of Billings. Feedback of the survey showed a very
consistent high need for an aquatic center. Showed the community’s top five
needs for activities by Billings’ residents and that most residents are willing to
pay a higher fee for a new recreation facility.
Yakawich: What events would we need to attract?
Eaton: Swim meets, hockey, volleyball, and basketball tournaments.
Ewalt: Did the survey question about fees have details about how much the fees
may increase?
Eaton: Yes, although there wasn’t a specific amount because we have to keep it
in check with the market. So, our operational consultant suggested we stagger
the fees over time.
Cole: The current study does not go into the economic impact, when will we be
able to go to the public to get better data on this?
Eaton: The scope of this study did not review the economic impact, but the
Victus Study did. Laying these two studies together would be worthwhile.
Brown: It sounds like this is becoming more of a recreation center not an aquatic
center?
Eaton: Yes. And this next section answers that. Showed the potential facilities
including gymnasium space, leisure pool, competition pool, pool party room, ice
rink, open fitness, group fitness, walk/jog track, concession stand, and
community meeting paces. Reviewed development options. After an extensive
process, the site adjacent to Amend Park was chosen. Developed 2 scenarios
and gave the details for both options. Option A is a scaled down version of
Option B. Option A estimated cost ranges from $34.4M-$71.5M with a minimum
cost recovery of 75% to a maximum of 85% depending on which variations are
chosen. Option B has estimated cost of $43.6M-$102.0M with a cost recovery
ranging from 69%-85%.
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Cromley: In determining the cost recovery, what fees did they use?
Eaton: They used a complex model of both user fees as well as assumed
equipment rentals. Those fees are assumed based on what current fees pay and
what would be sustainable to ask them to pay.
Cromley: Did they look at membership fees for using the weight room and pool?
Eaton: Yes.
Cole: Is there a specific differential if the user is a City resident versus not?
Eaton: Yes, a 25% fee increase if the user is not a City resident.
Ewalt: Are there any of these facilities that are privately owned?
Eaton: Yes, but they are generally high revenue with low cost to build and
maintain which works out to be a warehouse-type building with turf that can be
rolled out and only takes one person to operate.
Ewalt: So there really is not anything that is like what you showed us that is
privately owned?
Eaton: Not to my current knowledge, no. That’s the challenge when you’re
running a business versus investing in a community.
Friedel: Have we investigated making the ice rink more versatile so that turf or
something down during the offseason?
Eaton: There are some options that we have looked at with varying versions of
cost effectiveness.
Neese: Regarding the cost effectiveness, does that consider 20-30 years down
the road?
Eaton: Yes.
Neese: So, is it reasonable to expect that in 20 or 30 years there will be a fund
there built up for when the pool or ice sheet needs to be replaced so we don’t
have to go to the taxpayers for that?
Eaton: That is correct. Shows the potential for what it might look like. Reviews
the timeline mentioned at the beginning of presentation. Next step is to set up a
Funding Committee.
Friedel: Has there been any conversations like maybe a hotel or private
organization that is looking to move here, that basically we could combine the
private sector to mitigate the price?
Eaton: That was the subject of many of our meetings, but we did not have the
correct resources to really dig into that which is why I think it should be the next
step.
Mayor: Speaking of the private sector, there is almost no service that the
government doesn’t provide. Some people might ask why are you creating
something to compete with the private sector?
Eaton: That topic became a central point in many of our conversations. The
trend is that a few years into the recreational facility being built, that fear of
competing subsides. The demographics are different.
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Clark: How much do you think South Urban TIF District could put into the funds
for this project?
Zeier: There is a line item in the current budget for $25 million for bond
proceeds. As Dusty mentioned, the next step is to make a committee to
investigate this.
Public Comment: None.
Jim Tevlin, 2404 Quinn Haven Drive, Billings, Montana: Discussed the
willingness to support something like this from a public standpoint. It is a sense of
pride to the community to have something like this. Asks for Council support.
Public Comment is Closed.
TOPIC #3 Council Discussion
PRESENTER
NOTES/OUTCOME
Ronning: Cites an article that rated the high schools in the state. Billings rated
41 for Billings West High, 44 for Skyview, and 64 for Senior. Some of the
elements provided in the assessment have to do with what we provide in the
community for kids. So, we should ask what we are doing to invest in our
community and the future of our children.
Yakawich: Attended a DBA meeting at the library. They are taking on a
challenge in Downtown of over-alcohol consumption. I went to the library and
walked around and picked up 7 pounds of cans, most of them were cans with an
alcohol content of 8.5%. I was encouraged that some of the stores and bars
agreed to not sell the high alcohol content Tall Boys.
Ronning: I was just this morning called to Lewis and Clark Middle School to look
at a vandalized banner and while I was there, I was shocked to see how many
empty liquor bottles there were at the bus stop right on the property of the school.
Mayor: It is a problem, and thankfully some of the businesses are now agreeing
to not sell those.
Kukulski: Regarding the aquatic center, our community needs things for kids
and people to do. Grateful that we are being very transparent and upfront with
the public about the whole cost of the project. The TIF putting in $25 million,
public fundraising, and some sort of mill levy or vote to cover the funds of a non-
cost-recovery share is feasible.
Clark: Would it be reasonable to amend the state tax to help fund these
amenities rather than going back to the property tax always?
Kukulski: Yes. Each community I have served has a tax structure for
homeowners to cover the cost of community recreation. These types of projects
would be more attainable to voters if we had some kind of consumptive tax to say
this event last year brought “x” people and “x” dollars to offset the cost. Whitefish
is a good example. The property tax burden has a much more limited tax burden
but more going into amenities.
Public Comment: None.
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TOPIC #4 Public Comment on Items Not on the Agenda
PRESENTER
NOTES/OUTCOME
Kukulski: Along with Neese and Ronning discuss state tax options for Billings
based on his experience in other Montana communities.
Public Comment: None.
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