City Council Workshop
Regular MeetingBlaine, MN · June 15, 2020
Minutes
Blaine City Hall
City of Blaine 10801 Town Sq Dr NE
Blaine MN 55449
Anoka County, Minnesota
Minutes
City Council Workshop
While this is a public meeting where interested persons are
welcome to attend, it is a work session for City Council and
staff to discuss issues before them. It is not for the purpose of
receiving public input.
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Monday, June 15, 2020 6:00 PM
Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, city meetings will now be
held as virtual meetings until further notice
NOTICE OF WORKSHOP MEETING
1 Call to Order
The meeting was called to order by Mayor Ryan at 6:00 p.m. Due to the
COVID-19 pandemic this meeting was held virtually.
2 Roll Call
Quorum Present.
ALSO PRESENT: City Manager Michelle Wolfe; Community Development
Director Erik Thorvig; Public Works Director Jon Haukaas; Police Chief/Safety
Services Manager Brian Podany; Fire Chief Charlie Smith; Public Services
Manager/Assistant City Manager Bob Therres; City Engineer Dan Schluender;
Recreation Manager Nate Monahan; City Planner Lori Johnson; City Attorney
Patrick Sweeney; Communications Technician Roark Haver; Communications
Manager Ben Hayle; and City Clerk Catherine Sorensen.
Present: 7 - Councilmember Garvais, Councilmember Jeppson, Mayor Ryan,
Councilmember Swanson, Councilmember Robertson, Councilmember
Paul, and Councilmember Hovland
3 New Business
3-1 PRIVATE FIRE HYDRANT MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE
Attachments: Fire Protection Water Supplies Ordinance
Public Works Director Haukaas stated SBM Fire and Blaine Public Works have
been working together on how to best meet the requirements of Minnesota State
Fire Code Section 507 requiring the regular inspection, testing and maintenance of
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fire protection systems including fire hydrants on private property. This proposed
ordinance would set forth requirements to ensure functional operation and on-going
maintenance of these privately owned fire hydrants. Fire hydrants installed on
private property as part of their development are a vital component of the fire
protection system. This infrastructure does require regular maintenance to ensure it
remains functional when needed in an emergency. Staff from both agencies believe
it is in our best interest to develop a policy that outlines the procedures for private
hydrants to be inspected, tested and repaired by qualified personnel to remain in
good working order to protect life and property.
Mr. Haukaas reported the ordinance will require the property owner to arrange to
have hydrants inspected annually and to include testing of the operation, flow, and
proper marking flags installed. The owner may hire a City approved inspector or
contract with SBM to perform the work. A nominal fee would reimburse SBM for
such work. Fees are recommended to be $25 per hydrant inspection and $25 to
install a marking flag. These fees would be collected through the Utility Billing
system.
Councilmember Swanson commented his only concern was with townhouses when
residents were already paying into the water, sewer, and utility fees the same as
every other citizen. He did not want these citizens to be paying double. Mr.
Haukaas stated he could not guarantee this would not happen and he understood
townhouse associations had private infrastructure in place.
Councilmember Swanson indicated he could not support this program if
townhomes had to pay double.
Fire Chief Smith asked if the townhome associations were testing their own fire
hydrants. Councilmember Swanson stated the flushing was being done by the City.
Fire Chief Smith explained if the associations were already completing their own
testing, the City would not duplicate this work.
Councilmember Hovland questioned what the City has done in the past to identify
and test its hydrants. Mr. Haukaas reported the City does know where all of the
hydrants are located, however, the City would like greater information regarding the
maintenance and condition of all of the hydrants.
Councilmember Robertson inquired how many private hydrants were located in the
City of Blaine. Mr. Haukaas reported the City had 700 private hydrants.
Councilmember Jeppson indicated she would be shocked if a Blaine resident knew
they owned a hydrant and maintained/inspected this hydrant. She asked how much
would be charged to inspect the hydrant. Mr. Haukaas commented he was
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proposing a $25 fee to inspect private hydrants.
Councilmember Jeppson stated she did not support charging private hydrant
owners for the inspection. She explained the City and the Fire Department would
be the only ones using the hydrant. Mr. Haukaas commented the fee would not be
sent to single family homeowners, but rather to commercial business owners and
multi-family properties in Blaine.
Councilmember Swanson said he did not support charging the multi-family
properties for a fire hydrant inspection.
Councilmember Hovland agreed. He recommended the City assume the
responsibility for the fire protection system throughout the City of Blaine.
Councilmember Garvais commented he was not certain he supported charging
townhome associations for this maintenance fee when no other homeowners would
be charged this fee. He indicated he may feel differently about the fee being charged
to commercial properties. He supported the City inspecting and maintaining all of
the hydrants from a public safety standpoint.
Councilmember Paul agreed.
Mayor Ryan indicated he did not want the City to assume the maintenance for
broken private hydrants, such as the hydrant that was damaged within the
Mendard’s property.
Councilmember Hovland questioned what would be the trigger when a hydrant
would shift from merely needing an inspection to requiring maintenance. Mr.
Haukaas stated it was obvious when hydrants were failing because there would be
leakage or an inability to hold pressure. He reported the City wanted to put hands
on these hydrants for an inspection before they failed.
Councilmember Robertson indicated this wasn’t just an inspection cost because
maintenance on the hydrant may be required. She questioned what type of
maintenance issues were common, what would the cost be, and who would bear
this cost. Mr. Haukaas commented he was proposing an inspection plan for private
hydrants, which was for commercial/industrial properties and multi-family
developments. He explained he was not proposing to make corrections to the
private infrastructure but could direct the private property owner to a contractor
that could make the maintenance improvements.
Further discussion ensued regarding the maintenance and inspection of the City’s
fire hydrants.
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Councilmember Swanson reiterated that he did not want townhome associations to
be charged a fire hydrant fee.
Councilmember Hovland supported this recommendation.
Councilmember Garvais commented he agreed with Councilmember Swanson and
Councilmember Hovland. He understood that utility bills charged residents for
maintenance and upkeep of the City’s utility system, which was unfair to those that
had a private fire hydrant. He questioned if the inspections for the private hydrants
were mandatory. He indicated he was willing to take a $17,000 hit in order to
ensure all of the City’s fire hydrants were properly inspected with the understanding
the private hydrant owner would be responsible for the repairs.
Mayor Ryan supported the City completing the inspections as he wanted the City
to have a properly working water system in the event there was a fire.
Councilmember Swanson questioned how often a fire hydrant fails. Ms. Haukaas
stated this depends on the hydrants exposure to salt or how often they are
opened/flushed. He reported the City rarely has hydrants that fail, but has hydrants
that leak from time to time.
Councilmember Hovland supported the City covering the expense for the
inspections with the property owner covering the expense for repairs or
maintenance.
Fire Chief Smith commented when he began speaking about this topic with staff it
was after a fire occurred within a commercial building in Blaine noting the two
closest fire hydrants had failed. He explained this slows the Fire Department’s
ability to put out the fire. He reported Blaine has a younger infrastructure than
surrounding communities. He indicated he was uncertain if the private hydrants had
ever been inspected and for this reason, he recommended these be inspected to
ensure they are working properly.
Councilmember Hovland recommended staff run the numbers and report back to
the City Council.
Councilmember Robertson agreed. She explained that the City Council wanted to
have all of its hydrants operational and working properly. Fire Chief Smith stated
he appreciated the Council’s support.
Councilmember Swanson indicated the Council supported the private fire hydrant
inspections, but did not support the maintenance or repairs costs for the private
hydrants at this point.
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Council consensus was to support inspections but not identified repairs. In
addition, the Council directed staff to provide the Council with associated
costs, along with a proposed ordinance.
15 Minute Discussion
3-2 DISCUSS ESTABLISHING AN EMERGENCY FUNDING
PROGRAM FOR BUSINESSES RELATED TO COVID-19
Community Development Director Thorvig explained the EDA would be
considering this program later this evening.
Discussed
30 Minute Discussion
3-3 COVID-19 IMPACTS
City Manager Wolfe stated she was pleased to report the City has not had a
positive case amongst its employees. She reported a return to work plan had been
drafted by staff and would be approved by the City Council this evening. She
explained staff has been brainstorming ideas for the beach. She indicated the first
concern with the beach was enforcement and monitoring, along with the cost to hire
seasonal employees. She commented staff was uncertain if the park and beach
could be restricted to only Blaine residents.
Police Chief/Safety Services Manager Podany discussed how police presence has
increased at the beach given the events that have occurred over the past two
weeks. He indicated the events that have occurred at the Blaine beach have been
in direct correlation to the closing of Lake George beach. He reported some very
violent fights and disorderly conduct has occurred. He commented on the cost to
increase the police presence at the beach. He noted the camera trailer has been
posted at the beach and this camera footage would be monitored. He discussed
how difficult it was to restrict access to the beach. He explained the beach was
supposed to be an asset and amenity for the community.
Recreation Manager Monahan stated the beach has been difficult to monitor in the
last two weeks. He explained the Police Chief has done a great job to assist the
park attendant and rules were being followed. He anticipated putting up the
camera trailer had helped as well. He noted non-residents were being charged $5
daily or $25 for a season pass.
Chief Podany reported the UTV has been utilized in the beach area, along with the
department’s bike officers in order to have efficient and positive interactions with
the public.
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Councilmember Garvais requested comment from the City Attorney regarding the
potential of making this beach only for Blaine residents. City Attorney Sweeney
stated this had been investigated and he explained it would be a challenge to limit
the beach to only Blaine residents. Staff proposed charging a higher daily parking
fee to non-residents instead. He commented it would be difficult for the parking
attendant to specify who was and was not a Blaine resident.
Councilmember Garvais supported the City further pursuing the beach being open
to Blaine residents only.
Mayor Ryan indicated he did not mind charging non-residents more for parking to
visit the beach.
Ms. Wolfe stated it was her understanding the beach was a publicly dedicated
space which was not limited to residents. Mr. Sweeney commented this was a
concern and if someone were to challenge the matter the City’s position may be
difficult to defend.
Councilmember Garvais explained this was a City of Blaine park and not a county
or regional park and would like staff to investigate this matter further. Mr. Sweeney
stated he could investigate this further and would report back to the Council.
Councilmember Robertson indicated everyone wants the beach to be safe,
however, there was always someone out there who wanted to break the law. She
explained the Blaine beach was right in the middle of a neighborhood and the City
could not have fights and unruly behavior spilling over into this space. She feared
that closing the beach to non-residents may not solve the problem.
Mayor Ryan agreed stating kids would conduct themselves however they wanted at
the beach.
Councilmember Jeppson stated the expense to have lifeguards at the beach was
$125,000 for the summer season. She requested further comment from staff
regarding the liability issue. Mr. Sweeney reported the liability concerns are higher
when the City has lifeguards onsite, versus having the beach without lifeguards.
Councilmember Jeppson indicated there was a huge movement online and people
wanted to be involved to ensure the beach remained a family friendly amenity in the
City. She requested staff list the ways residents could get involved. Mr. Monahan
stated staff supported volunteers at the beach but not if this meant they were getting
into a risky situation. She commented after staff spoke about this matter further,
some monitoring at the bridge and the beach was suggested, along with cleanup
efforts at the beach. Mr. Monahan indicated volunteers could serve for additional
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monitoring and also assist with cleanup.
Councilmember Jeppson believed it would be a slippery slope to limit the beach to
only Blaine residents. She noted she could support a higher daily parking
fee/season rate for non-residents.
Chief Podany commented there was also a record number of bicyclists visiting the
beach, many being junior high and high schoolers. He indicated these students may
not have an ID on them. He stated there would be some logistical challenges if the
beach were limited to only Blaine residents.
Mr. Monahan explained if the beach was limited to only Blaine residents, visitors
would park in the adjacent neighborhood and walk to the beach. He stated this
would be difficult for park attendants and the Police Department to enforce.
Councilmember Swanson did not support driving people into the adjacent
neighborhoods. He asked if the higher level of law enforcement at the beach was
impacting the level of police presence in the remainder of the City. Chief Podany
reported extra staffing shifts had been filled for the beach and the law enforcement
presence in the City has remained the same.
Councilmember Hovland discussed the fees for the lifeguards and stated he
anticipated the proposed fees were quite conservative. He commented that if the
City had lifeguards the number of people at the beach would have to be limited. He
stated he was a proponent for having lifeguards on duty but understood this was a
liability issue.
Councilmember Robertson indicated the type of activity at the beach was reaching
a new level. She questioned if the Police Chief anticipated this type of activity
would continue or if the seasonal staff would be able to maintain order at the beach
without police presence. Chief Podany commented last week there were a few
tough days and much of the adverse activity came from people outside of the
community and wished he could tell the Council this was the end of it but he was
uncertain. He anticipated that with more and more beaches opening in the metro
area, this may help lessen the crowds at the Blaine beach.
Councilmember Robertson asked if Police Reserves could be posted at the beach
given the overtime expense for police officers. Chief Podany explained the Police
Reserves have not been called up this year due to COVID-19.
The Workshop recessed at 7:28 p.m.
The Workshop reconvened at 8:44 p.m.
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Ms. Wolfe commented she sketched out some points that the Council may be
comfortable with moving forward. She reported increased police presence and
police initiatives would be considered, such as the camera trailer. She stated a
volunteer program would be another opportunity for the City, along with an
increased presence of the Recreation Managers at the beach. She indicated the
Council also discussed restricting the beach to only Blaine residents.
Councilmember Garvais stated he would like to discuss to populations at the beach.
He understood the legalities of restricting the beach to only Blaine residents would
have to be explored. He commented the Council had also suggested increasing the
parking fees and indicated his support. He recommended the Council look into a
fee of $25 to $30, but understood the parking areas also had to be considered. He
anticipated it would be difficult to post and enforce “No Beach Parking” signs.
Councilmember Robertson discussed the need for a parking attendant and
understood it would be difficult to facilitate this position. Mr. Monahan reported
staff was hesitant to hire for this position because it would be difficult to properly
social distance in the parking lot because there was no gate or enclosed hut.
Councilmember Robertson indicated before the Council could have a discussion
regarding parking fees, staff would have to find an individual who was comfortable
working in the parking lot. Mr. Monahan reported he had contacted PlayNet to see
if they may have staff available to fill this position.
Ms. Wolfe stated an increase in the beach fees would require an ordinance
amendment which would have to be done over the timespan of two City Council
meetings. She reported this may be able to be done as an emergency change in an
effort to address the public safety issues at the beach. She commented face shields
may be required for this position. She indicated if parking was being pushed into the
neighborhood the City would have to consider signing the street “Resident Only
Parking” and permits could be issued to residents of this neighborhood.
Councilmember Garvais suggested the parking fee be increased to $25.
Councilmember Paul commented people would continue to come to the beach. He
indicated the City had to have the proper processes and procedures in place to
keep people safe.
Mayor Ryan stated the City may have seen the worst of it at the beach. He
believed the law enforcement and staff presence has been helpful.
Councilmember Jeppson explained she did not believe things could remain as is.
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She supported things changing in order to keep the public and staff safe. She
wanted to see the City having a presence at the beach, and wanted this presence to
be done well. She commented there were private homes 30 feet from this beach
and these homeowners needed the beach to be properly regulated. She feared it
may be a slippery slope for the City to try and restrict the beach to Blaine residents.
She encouraged staff to find a parking attendant and that the Council consider what
the fees should be. She appreciated the work that had been put into this issue and
commented the public does not understand the huge magnitude of running a public
beach.
Mayor Ryan stated as bad as things look right now, at least the City of Blaine did
not resemble other cities such as Seattle or New York City. He commented no
one could have predicted a pandemic and he understood that kids just wanted a
place to go on warm days. He anticipated that things would continue to get better.
Councilmember Paul indicated he has visited the City’s beach and thanked
Councilmember Jeppson for her comments.
Ms. Wolfe stated she would like some closure on the restricting access/parking
attendant issue. She anticipated that a parking attendant could not start until a fee
amendment was adopted by Council.
Councilmember Robertson explained currently Blaine residents can visit the beach
and purchase a season pass. She indicated raising the fee to enter the park may not
address the concern of people entering the park to cause trouble and stated she did
not want to push beach parking into the adjacent neighborhood and questioned if
increasing the beach parking fee was the answer. She indicated she was bothered
by the fact that a few were ruining it for the many. She questioned what would
happen if people were to visit the park after 10:00 p.m. Chief Podany explained
complaints are coming in regarding noise at the beach because the noise spreads
out across the lake. He reported the beach currently closes at 8:00 p.m. and the
park closes at 10:00 p.m. He indicated he has received complaints from residents
of teenagers swimming after 10:00 p.m. and sometimes there are fireworks and
alcohol involved.
Councilmember Robertson questioned if closing the park at 8:00 p.m. would
alleviate some of the problems going on. Chief Podany suggested the beach and
the park be closed at 9:00 p.m.
Councilmember Robertson commented she could support closing the beach earlier
if this would help law enforcement and indicated families were not coming to the
beach at 10:00 p.m. She feared that teenagers would continue to visit the park
after hours because they were teenagers.
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Mayor Ryan supported closing the beach and the park at the same time. He did
not believe now was the right time to raise the parking fee and suggested the
parking fee be reconsidered in 2021.
Councilmember Garvais suggested a multi-phased approach be considered for the
beach. He anticipated closing the beach at 9:00 p.m. would not stop large groups
from still gathering in the park area or swimming after hours. He commented that
now that more beaches were open, the City beach may not be a problem. He
supported the beach and park closing at 9:00 p.m. with the parking fee being set at
$25. He recommended a one-third mile radius surrounding the beach be posted
“No Parking without Permit”. He explained permits could then be provided to
residents. He indicated the Council has broached this subject before and the
parking issue has to be addressed.
Councilmember Robertson questioned if the safety services team approach to
parking for the 3M Open could be pursued. She stated perhaps parking could be
very restrictive and residents could be given a certain number of passes. She
indicated all others parking in this neighborhood would then be towed. She asked if
a similar type of hybrid parking program could be pursued surrounding the beach.
She commented if the Council was going to come up with these ideas she wanted
to see the proposed programs enforced. Chief Podany reported the Police
Department was doing that to a greater degree this year and has been bringing kids
home that have been jumping off the bridge.
Ms. Wolfe questioned if the Council wanted to allow food trucks at the beach.
Councilmember Garvais suggested staff review if the beach can be restricted to
only Blaine residents and report back to the Council. He stated the main concern
was how to control the massive surges of people coming to the park.
Councilmember Jeppson reported the Police Department was monitoring the surges
within the park on social media. Chief Podany commented the Police Department
was monitoring social media and was able to close the Blaine beach entrance prior
to the crowd arriving in order to cut off the situation.
Councilmember Hovland asked if the teenagers causing problems at the beach
were from Blaine or from surrounding communities. Chief Podany stated the kids
fighting at the beach were from outside communities but noted the kids jumping off
the bridge were usually youth from Blaine.
Councilmember Hovland inquired how the parking situation surrounding the beach
could be addressed.
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Councilmember Garvais stated this may have to be done through signs posted
“Permit Parking Only”.
Councilmember Jeppson commented she supported the park and beach closing at
9:00 p.m. She indicated she supported the beach having food trucks and stated
this would be a positive amenity for both the residents and these businesses. She
discussed how sound from the beach traveled easily to the adjacent homes across
the lake.
Councilmember Robertson stated it would be difficult to enforce resident only
parking. She indicated support for food trucks at the beach and park and
supported the City having a food truck night at City Hall or other locations as well.
Mr. Monahan stated he had two food truck vendors willing and interested in being
at the beach and suggested a flat fee of $500 be charged to the food truck vendors
and noted staff could create a timeline or schedule for the food truck vendors.
Council consensus was to direct staff to explore a multi-phased approach for
the beach, to investigate parking restrictions that could be put in place and for
staff to return to Council for further consideration in July.
30 Minute Discussion
4 Council Calendar Review
Ms. Wolfe reviewed the Council Calendar.
OTHER BUSINESS
None.
ADJOURN
The Workshop was adjourned at 9:38 p.m.
Adjourned
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Agenda
Blaine City Hall
City of Blaine 10801 Town Sq Dr NE
Blaine MN 55449
Anoka County, Minnesota
Meeting Agenda - Final
City Council Workshop
While this is a public meeting where interested persons are
welcome to attend, it is a work session for Council and staff to
discuss issues before them. It is not for the purpose of receiving
public input.
To participate in the meeting join the Zoom Webinar at
https://blainemn.zoom.us/j/93136264336
Questions? Email - Communications@BlaineMN.gov
Monday, June 15, 2020 6:00 PM Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, city meetings
will now be held as virtual meetings until
further notice
NOTICE OF WORKSHOP MEETING
In accordance with the provisions of Section 3.01 of the Blaine City Charter, a Council
Workshop meeting is scheduled for the following purpose:
1 Call to Order
2 Roll Call
3 New Business
3-1 WS 20-65 PRIVATE FIRE HYDRANT MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE
Sponsors: Haukaas
Attachments: Fire Protection Water Supplies Ordinance
15 Minute Discussion
3-2 WS 20-66 DISCUSS ESTABLISHING AN EMERGENCY FUNDING PROGRAM FOR
BUSINESSES RELATED TO COVID-19
Sponsors: Thorvig
30 Minute Discussion
3-3 WS 20-67 COVID-19 IMPACTS
Sponsors: Wolfe
30 Minute Discussion
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4 Council Calendar Review
ADJOURN
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