City Council Workshop
Regular MeetingBlaine, MN · October 11, 2021
Minutes
Blaine City Hall
City of Blaine 10801 Town Sq Dr NE
Blaine MN 55449
Anoka County, Minnesota
Minutes
City Council Workshop
While this is a public meeting where interested persons are
welcome to attend, it is a work session for City Council and
staff to discuss issues before them. It is not for the purpose of
receiving public input.
Monday, October 11, 2021 6:10 PM Council Chambers
NOTICE OF WORKSHOP MEETING
1 Call to Order
The meeting was called to order by Mayor Sanders at 6:10PM.
2 Roll Call
PRESENT: Mayor Tim Sanders, Councilmembers Wes Hovland, Julie
Jeppson, Chris Massoglia, Richard Paul, Jess Robertson, and Jason
Smith.
Adjunct Member Drew Brown.
ABSENT: None.
Quorum Present.
ALSO PRESENT: City Manager Michelle Wolfe; Community
Development Director Erik Thorvig; Public Works Director Jon Haukaas;
Police Chief/Safety Services Manager Brian Podany; Finance Director
Joe Huss; Communications Manager Ben Hayle; Deputy Finance
Director Ali Bong; and City Clerk Catherine Sorensen.
Present: 7 - Councilmember Robertson, Councilmember Paul, Councilmember Hovland,
Massoglia, Smith, Sanders, and Councilmember Jeppson
3 New Business
3-1 Council Requested Items for Discussion
City Manager Wolfe stated Councilmember Massoglia has submitted a
request to discuss ARP Funding. She discussed the amount of ARP
funding the city had been awarded and noted the treasury guidelines.
She explained staff was preparing a spending plan according to these
guidelines.
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Councilmember Massoglia suggested ARP funds be considered for the
Lift Station No. 12 project noting this may assist with keeping sewer
rates in check. He indicated ARP funds could also be considered for the
remodeling of Water Treatments Plants 1 through 3. He stated he would
like staff to research if ARP funds could be used to assist with covering
the expense of increased staffing within the police department.
Mayor Sanders supported the council having a more detailed discussion
regarding ARP funding and how it would be allocated by the city. Ms.
Wolfe stated she would be happy to bring ARP funding back to the
council for further discussion at a future workshop meeting. She noted
staff was receiving advice from Baker Tilly on ARP funding and this
information would be brought back to the council.
Councilmember Smith supported the council discussing the ARP funding
at a future workshop meeting.
Councilmember Paul stated he supported Councilmember Massoglia’s
recommendations and looked forward to discussing ARP funding further.
Councilmember Jeppson explained she has had five to seven residents
contact her regarding concerns they have with the sod from their street
improvement project and shared these residents were requesting to have
this sod replaced. She requested this sod be replaced at the city’s
expense.
Councilmember Robertson supported the sod being replaced at the
city’s expense.
Councilmember Paul said he understood residents have been asking for
help and supported the city taking responsibility for the failed sod.
Councilmember Hovland supported making these homeowners whole by
replacing the sod. He recommended a further discussion be held
regarding how long the bond was held for the contractors and the
warranty offered on the sod.
10 Minute Discussion
3-2 Rainbow Village/Roer’s Apartment Tax Increment Financing (TIF)
Request Discussion
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Attachments: Apartment Plan
Overall Project Plan
Baker Tilly Memo
Project Narrative
Community Development Director Thorvig stated at the June 14, 2021
City Council workshop, a redevelopment proposal was presented to the
City Council for the Rainbow Village retail center located at County Road
10 and 87th Lane. The new owner of the site is proposing to remove the
old Rainbow grocery store tenant space (which has been vacant for 7+
years) on the east side of the site, and Roers Companies would
construct a 220-unit apartment building. In addition to the apartments, the
proposal includes renaming the center to the Blaine Lakes Center, new
building elevations, new site signage, new lighting and landscaping
upgrades. After discussion at the June 14, 2021 workshop, a majority of
the City Council was supportive of continuing the process with the
developer. Prior to the project moving forward, the developer needs
clarity from the City Council regarding TIF assistance for the project. This
action would require the establishment of a TIF Redevelopment District.
Mr. Thorvig explained tax increment financing is a tool the City may
consider using to support financial assistance for the project, subject to
meeting the “but for” test and need for public financial participation. A
blight inspection confirming qualification of the building as substandard
for inclusion in a TIF District would need to be completed to provide the
basis for which a Redevelopment TIF District could be established. City
staff, with assistance from Baker Tilly, have been working with Roers to
understand the developer’s financial pro-forma for the project and
determine the amount of TIF necessary for the project to be financially
feasible. The developer has identified the overall project cost to be
$48,787,851. The developer has requested $7,225,000 in TIF.
Michaela Huet, Baker Tilly, provided the council with a brief overview on
TIF financing and discussed the TIF request from Roers in further detail.
She described the expenses that could be covered by TIF dollars, which
included the costs prior to vertical development. The appropriate level of
TIF for a project was discussed and it was noted the appropriate range
would be from $5.9 to $6.4 million. The analysis for this project was
further reviewed and staff asked for feedback from the Council.
Shane LaFave, Roers Companies, thanked the council for considering
his project. He provided the council with context on the project and noted
he was not requesting the city to provide funds in the amount of $7 million
but rather was asking to share increment over the next 25 to 30 years. He
discussed how the project would provide workforce housing (80% AMI)
for the community. He commented on a similar housing project that he
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recently completed in the city of Fridley. He reported there was a need
for this type of housing in Blaine and he understood the TIF request was
a large request from the city.
Councilmember Hovland noted he was not in favor of this project. He
believed this property should be used as a transition from single family to
multi-family. He was of the opinion the adjacent homeowners would not
appreciate looking at a four story apartment building. He understood the
Rainbow Village was in need of redevelopment but believed this was not
the proper site. He explained he would not be supporting the TIF request
for this project.
Councilmember Smith indicated he supported the project and the use of
TIF. He agreed there needed to be a better transition between this
project and the adjacent neighborhood. He recommended this building
be pulled back from the existing homes. He recommended the
developer consider installing a playground for this development given the
fact there would be a large number of families with children living within
the complex.
Councilmember Jeppson asked how Blaine compared to other cities of
like size, when considering the number of TIF districts the city has. Mr.
Thorvig reported Blaine has six districts currently. Finance Director Huss
explained the city has a policy in place that it will not exceed 10% of its
tax base in tax increment value. He noted at this time the city was below
1% of total tax capacity within a tax increment district versus the total tax
capacity or land value.
Councilmember Jeppson stated looking at past projects, the city has
historically offered 10% in TIF for projects. She indicated this was the
case for the recently approved TIF District along I-35W for Artis. She
asked staff to speak to why the developer was requesting more than
10%. Mr. Thorvig explained this factor was something that was
considered in the recommended amount. He agreed the number in
previous projects was typically around 10%.
Councilmember Jeppson indicated she could support a 15 year TIF note
with an amount that was closer to 10%.
Councilmember Smith commented one difference between the
previously approved projects and this project was that the previous
projects created jobs in the community and this would create affordable
housing.
Councilmember Robertson questioned how many high density housing
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projects in the community have an affordability factor. Mr. Thorvig
reported Dominium, several senior housing projects, Crestview, and
ACCAP.
Councilmember Robertson explained she would prefer to wait on this
development given the fact the city was working to complete a study on
the entire Northtown area. She anticipated additional TIF projects would
be considered by the council in the near future for affordable housing
projects. She understood this site was blighted and was in need of
redevelopment, however was concerned with the subsidy level being
requested for this project. She indicated she could possibly support
getting closer to the 10% range in TIF for this project with a 15 to 20 year
range.
Councilmember Paul questioned what the rental rates would be for the
proposed units. He explained he supported the project but noted he
would want to ensure the complex had a proper building manager. Mr.
LaFave reported the apartment building would have studio to three
bedroom apartments and the rental rates would be from $1,100 to
$1,900.
Councilmember Massoglia indicated he did not support any TIF for this
project. He supported waiting for the redevelopment of the entire
Northtown area. He believed it made more sense to find out what would
be done with the entire area prior to incentivizing a small project within
the area. He was of the opinion Blaine does not need to incentivize
residential growth. He explained he appreciated Roers’ interest in
working in the city of Blaine but recommended the city not offer TIF
financing for this project until a plan was in place for the Northtown area.
Mayor Sanders commented Roers has been a fantastic partner to the
community and believed the product Roers delivers sets the standard
when it came to market rate apartments. He discussed the historical
values of TIF that have been approved by the council and noted he had a
little consternation surrounding the rental assistance. He was of the
opinion the proposed apartment units were very nice but he wanted to be
assured that the city got this redevelopment area right. He understood
that success breeds success. He questioned if it was right to redevelop
the first area surrounding Northtown with a subsidy product. He explained
he was in favor of TIF, at the right level. He indicated this project would
bring the right people to the Northtown area and would lead to success
for the surrounding area.
Mr. LaFave commented on how it was difficult to be the first, but can lead
to other developers wanting to be second and third to develop in a new
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area. He thanked the council for their feedback and stated this would
help him in moving his plans forward.
Councilmember Jeppson questioned if subsidized rental units would be
provided in this building. Mr. LaFave reported there would be no rental
subsidy, rather the rental rates would be lower than would be seen if a
market rate were opened with rates at 100% AMI.
Councilmember Jeppson explained she looked forward to the council
further discussing affordable housing in Blaine because she did not
believe $1100 to $1900 a month in rent was affordable.
Mayor Sanders agreed this would be a valuable conversation but noted
the matter before the council this evening was if TIF should be
considered for this redevelopment project. Mr. Thorvig commented
some level of TIF would be needed for this project given the fact it was a
redevelopment project.
Mayor Sanders thanked Mr. LaFave for his presentation and stated he
looked forward to having future discussions regarding this project.
45 Minute Discussion
3-3 Critical Incident Communications
Attachments: Critical Incident Communications Presentation.pdf
Safety Services Manager/Police Chief Podany stated a critical incident
and civil unrest response presentation was presented to council in May
then provided the council with a follow-up presentation that specifically
addressed the police department’s communication during a critical
incident. He reviewed topics which included internal versus external
communications, as well as other considerations that may come up in
critical incidents that relate to communications then discussed the
difference between public and private data.
Mayor Sanders thanked Police Chief Podany for his detailed
presentation.
15 Minute Discussion
3-4 Proposed 2022 Water and Sewer Utility Funds Budgets
Attachments: 2022 Water Fund Overview
2022 Sewer Fund Overview
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Mr. Huss introduced newly hired Deputy Finance Director Ali Bong to the
council then reviewed the 2022 proposed water and sewer utility funds
budget as part of the city’s comprehensive budgeting process. He
described the investments the city has been making in the city’s
infrastructure, staffing, technology and water treatment systems. He
reported due to these expenses some level of capital reserves have to
be recovered which meant rate adjustments would have to be
considered. Staff commented further on the proposed increases and
requested comments or questions from the council.
Councilmember Jeppson discussed the proposed rate increases. She
questioned if the conservation rate could be used across the board
versus an increase per 1,000 gallon. Mr. Huss explained the basic rate
would remain unchanged and the upper tiers would be increased by a
greater rate. He noted the city could look to do this, but a larger increase
may be required for the upper tiers. He commented the basic need and
domestic use of water would not change.
Councilmember Jeppson stated she supported raising the rates for the
higher end users. She reported water was incredibly valuable and those
residents using a lot of it should pay more for it. Mr. Huss indicated he
could do an analysis where a different structure on the increase was
considered.
Councilmember Massoglia stated he supported this as well. He stated
he supported a tiered rate increase to see if the city can keep the rate
increase down as much as possible. He encouraged staff to investigate
if ARP funds can be used for some of the capital improvement projects in
order to keep utility rates down. He encouraged the city to remodel water
treatment plants 1 through 3. He understood this would come at a
significant cost, but he would like to see the city prioritizing these
projects. Mr. Huss commented this may be a possibility along with other
grant funds. He cautioned council that for a number of years, neither
Blaine’s water or sewer rates were adjusted for 10 to 12 years and the
city was still feeling the affect of that. However, he noted from an overall
affordability standpoint, the community has remained affordable. He
discussed how staff has worked to strike a balance to charge for the
services used by residents currently versus people using water in the
future.
Councilmember Hovland commented on the discussions that were held
when the first water treatment plant was built. He reported the city now
has four water treatment plants and had recently paid to upgrade the
city’s SCADA system. He noted plans were in place for these increases
but he understood rate increases were necessary. He stated he had
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hoped that the increases would not be as substantial as proposed. He
questioned if the rates would be reviewed every five or ten years. Mr.
Huss explained staff would like the council to review the utility rates on an
annual basis to ensure there is not a further draw down on the reserves.
He stated the city may be able to promote conservation efforts by only
increasing the upper tiers.
Councilmember Hovland asked if a hybrid rate could be created to have
increases charged to the upper tiers but that the increase only be 15
cents versus 20 cents per 1000 gallons. He anticipated this would feather
the increase out for residents. Mr. Huss commented if the incentive is to
reduce the use of water, this would impact overall revenue as well. He
reiterated that overall Blaine residents pay very little for its utilities.
Councilmember Smith explained Blaine has very low rates when
compared to other communities. He discussed the proposed increase
and noted the point of the increase would be to have this fund covering its
expenses.
Councilmember Jeppson agreed the city needed to build up its reserves
but supported the city finding a more reasonable way to collect utility fees
based upon how much water people were using.
Councilmember Smith asked if there were different rates for residents or
businesses/ commercial users. Mr. Huss reported the city charges the
same rate for all users.
Councilmember Smith anticipated the biggest users in the community
would be the brewery and schools in the community. Public Works
Director Haukaas reported this was the case and noted Aveda was
another high consumer of water. Mr. Huss stated the manufactured home
park was another large consumer of water.
Councilmember Robertson commented at some point time rates have to
reflect revenue balances and reserves. She questioned why the city
never discusses spending less money versus trying to generate more
revenue.
Councilmember Hovland stated some cities provide a dual rate in order
to meter water used for irrigation so it can be billed back at a separate
rate. He did not know if this would be practical for residential properties,
but this could be considered for commercial properties. Mr. Huss
explained he was not aware of any communities that charged a separate
rate for irrigation water, but understood some communities had a
reduced sanitary sewer rate for commercial accounts that irrigated. Mr.
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Haukaas reported the city does not have the ability to provide raw water
for irrigation.
Councilmember Massoglia explained he supported Councilmember
Robertson’s comments. He noted when rate increases are proposed
this led him to review the increases in expenses and why they are
needed. He requested further information on the proposed expenses.
Councilmember Paul thanked staff for the detailed report on the
proposed utility budget. He stated the increase from 10 cents to 20 cents
would impact residents. He asked what this was due to. Mr. Huss
reported this was due to increased expenses in the overall water
operations and from the major improvements that had been completed
on the city’s water system.
Mr. Huss discussed the sanitary sewer fund and the proposed rate
changes.
Councilmember Paul stated he supported the proposed rate increase for
the sanitary sewer fees.
Councilmember Massoglia encouraged staff to reduce expenditures as
much as possible so as to not have the sanitary sewer fund going into the
negative.
Councilmember Robertson requested staff email these presentations to
the council after the meeting.
Mr. Huss thanked the council for their feedback and noted he would be
finalizing these budgets for council approval at an upcoming meeting.
60 Minute Discussion
3-5 Facebook Live Town Hall
Communications Manager Hayle stated in February 2020 staff brought a
recommendation to the city council to start a Facebook live town hall
program. At that time council was generally supportive of the idea and it
was decided that the first town hall would take place in April 2020 and be
focused on the development process. The town hall was canceled due to
the COVID-19 pandemic. Prior to the pandemic staff worked to integrate
our council chambers control room with the city’s Facebook page to be
able to host these live town hall meetings directly on social media. The
city has over 13,000 followers on Facebook and this would be a new way
to engage the community. Staff suggested events be held quarterly and
is looking for council feedback on the recommendation to start a
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Facebook live town hall program.
Mayor Sanders stated he supported the city working to find new ways to
engage with the community. He suggested a town hall meeting be held in
February for TH65. He recommended that this be an informative event
for the public. He believed there was a lot the city could do through this
style of community engagement and could be a lot of fun.
Councilmember Jeppson agreed this was a great opportunity for the
council to engage with residents. She cautioned staff from restricting the
council to quarterly meetings in the event that an important topic may
arise.
Councilmember Hovland questioned how the council would decide on
topics or would these events strictly be educational in nature. He asked if
there were boundaries at all. Mr. Hayle explained staff would curate a
potential list of topics and would begin holding events quarterly and could
adjust as necessary. He understood some of the events would be
educational based, while others would be conversational in nature.
Mayor Sanders suggested the live events be topic driven, but that
suggestions also be taken from the public.
Councilmember Robertson supported the city pursuing this. She
recommended the city engage the public where they are at versus telling
them what the city thinks they want to know. She suggested staff take
questions from the public prior to each event in order to have these
matters addressed at the live event. She also recommended that events
not be held just quarterly in the event another issue were to arise.
Councilmember Smith recommended materials be drafted by staff to
provide the public with information on the proposed meeting topics. Mr.
Hayle explained staff would assist with preparing the public and city
councilmembers for each meeting.
Councilmember Paul supported the city holding these types of events but
expressed some concern with the type of misinformation that is posted
on Facebook.
Council consensus was to support hosting live town hall events on Facebook.
15 Minute Discussion
ADJOURN
The Workshop was adjourned at 8:47PM.
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Agenda
City of Blaine
Anoka County, Minnesota
Blaine City Hall
10801 Town Sq Dr NE
Blaine MN 55449
Meeting Agenda - Final
Monday, October 11, 2021
6:10 PM
Council Chambers
City Council Workshop
While this is a public meeting where interested persons are welcome to attend, it is a
work session for City Council and staff to discuss issues before them. It is not for the
purpose of receiving public input.
City Council Workshop Meeting Agenda - Final October 11, 2021
NOTICE OF WORKSHOP MEETING
In accordance with the provisions of Section 3.01 of the Blaine City Charter, a Council
Workshop meeting is scheduled for the following purpose:
1 Call to Order
2 Roll Call
3 New Business
3-1 WS 21-116 Council Requested Items for Discussion
Sponsors: Council
10 Minute Discussion
3-2 WS 21-117 Rainbow Village/Roer’s Apartment Tax Increment Financing (TIF) Request
Discussion
Sponsors: Thorvig
Attachments: Apartment Plan
Overall Project Plan
Baker Tilly Memo
Project Narrative
45 Minute Discussion
3-3 WS 21-118 Critical Incident Communications
Sponsors: Podany
Attachments: Critical Incident Communications Presentation.pdf
15 Minute Discussion
3-4 WS 21-119 Proposed 2022 Water and Sewer Utility Funds Budgets
Sponsors: Huss
Attachments: 2022 Water Fund Overview
2022 Sewer Fund Overview
60 Minute Discussion
3-5 WS 21-120 Facebook Live Town Hall
Sponsors: Hayle
15 Minute Discussion
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ADJOURN
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