Park Advisory Board
Regular MeetingBlaine, MN · January 28, 2014
Minutes
10801 Town Square Drive
City of Blaine Blaine, MN 55449
Anoka County, Minnesota
Minutes - Final
Park Advisory Board
Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:00 PM Council Chambers
1. Call To Order
The Blaine Park Advisory Board met in the Council Chambers of City Hall on
Tuesday, January 28, 2014.
Chair Bird called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
2. Roll Call
Staff Present: Nate Monahan, Program Supervisor; Jerome Krieger, Program
Supervisor; Bob Therres, Public Services Manager.
Guest: None.
Present: 7 - Markle, Chair Bird, Das, Leathers, Langenfeld, Lester, and Pribbernow
3. Approval of Minutes
3.-1 MIN 14-08 APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 26, 2013 PARK BOARD
MINUTES
Sponsors: Monahan
Attachments: November Minutes.doc
Program Supervisor Krieger requested the following corrections:
Page 2, last paragraph change “McKane” to “McCain.”
Motion by Commissioner Markle to approve the minutes of November 26, 2013
as amended. Motion seconded by Commissioner Lester. Motion approved
unanimously.
Aye: 7 - Markle, Chair Bird, Das, Leathers, Langenfeld, Lester, and Pribbernow
4. Open Forum for Citizen Input
None
5. New Business
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5.-1 PB 14-01 Recommendation of Lakeside Commons Permanent Parking
Lot
Sponsors: Monahan
Attachments: Lakeside Commons Park Site Plan 1-21-09.pdf
OverflowLot Use.xlsx
Hans Hagen Site Plan.pdf
Beach Sizes-Parking-Fees-Amenities I-5.xls
Program Supervisor Monahan stated Lakeside Commons Park had
been operating the last four summers with an overflow temporary
unpaved parking lot. However, a more permanent solution to the
parking issue was needed.
He indicated the original plan was the commercial property next to the
park, which was going to share their parking lot with Lakeside
Commons Park. He stated the land may now be rezoned residential
and the over 300 parking stalls that were to go into the commercial
property might not be happening. He noted the City now had
ownership of 1.5-acre property next to the beach and staff was
recommending a permanent parking lot be constructed. The overflow
parking lot they had been using for the last 4 years and roughly 115
parking stalls, and this permanent parking lot would have 125 stalls.
He stated having the parking lot was critical to the function and
enhancement of Lakeside Commons Park now and in the future and
staff believed this was the final piece to finish this park the way it was
supposed to be designed. He indicated the parking lot would help
with the following issues encountered the last four summers,
complaints of having little kids and senior citizens walking a long way
to get to the beach, having park users park in an unmarked grassy area,
having residents show up at the park, and not having a place to park.
He noted they also required all businesses to have paved lots, so staff
felt it was time to follow the City’s own ordinance.
He stated the construction of Lakeside Commons parking lot had been
in the Capital Improvement Plan for parks the last four years. He
noted the estimated cost of the project would be $210,000.
He indicated half of the days the beach was open for the past three
years, the overflow parking was used. He presented a comparison
with other metro beaches and how many parking stalls they had as
well as their beach size and size of the park. He noted the City was
definitely low on the parking stalls compared to all of the other
beaches. He presented the proposed residential concept plan.
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Commissioner Markle asked if the $210,000 budget for this was what
was in the Capital Improvement Fund. Program Supervisor Monahan
responded it was in the CIP and it was $200,000. He indicated the
engineer’s estimated this at $210,000, but it had not gone to bid so it
might be a little bit more or less.
Commissioner Markle asked what was the barrier or differentiation
between the residential areas and the parkland. Program Supervisor
Monahan responded there would be a 10-foot berm all of the way
around as well as trees and shrubs on top of the berm. He stated
anyone purchasing a home in that area would need to sign off on a
document noting that this was an active area in the summer.
Commissioner Markle asked between house 16-17 was that an access
way out into the beach or into the walking paths. Public Services
Manager Therres responded that was a drainage easement. He noted
there would be not trail or access from the development to the beach
and heavy landscaping would be done to discourage it.
Commissioner Markle asked if there would be an access off Lakes
Parkway to the east. Public Services Manager Therres responded the
only access would be the driveway and sidewalk.
Chair Bird asked if they were looking to keep the same theme with the
water reclamation design (i.e. pavers). He asked if the additional
parking lots would have the same theme. Program Supervisor
Monahan responded no. He indicated they were trying to keep the
costs as low as possible.
Chair Bird asked what the schedule was and would it be done before
the beach opened. Program Supervisor Monahan responded the plan
was that they would move into a development agreement and the
parking lot would be constructed at the same time as the residential
area. He indicated they hoped to have it open by the time the beach
opened up on June 6. He stated if need be, he would approach Village
Bank for additional parking until the new parking lot was completed.
Commissioner Leathers stated they have needed to do this for a while
and he was glad they were doing it now.
Commissioner Leathers asked how often the 115 spaces were full on
the lot. Program Supervisor Monahan responded they were
completely full.
Commissioner Leathers noted on the 115 spaces, they did not use the
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appropriate spacing as there were no markings, so maybe 75 cars
would park where there was space for 115 cars. Program Supervisor
Monahan responded that was correct. He indicated it depended on
which vehicles showed up first and started the lines. He stated it was
never the same each day.
Commissioner Leathers asked if 125 spots would solve the majority of
the need for the entire season. Program Supervisor Monahan
responded it would.
Commissioner Leathers asked if they added these spots would that
eliminate the need for the parking permit system. Program Supervisor
Monahan responded that system would stay in place. He noted the
City of Blaine residents were not charged for it, but non-residents were
charged to help maintain the park.
Commissioner Leathers stated he was disappointed the retail
development did not work out, but he liked what they had. He
indicated everything looked good to him.
Motion by Commissioner Lester to recommend the proposed parking lot at
Lakeside Commons Park at a cost of $210,000. Motion seconded by
Commissioner Leathers.
Motion approved unanimously.
5.-2 PB 14-02 Follow up to Amend Dog Ordinance 14-141 All dogs will be
kept under restraint by their owners at all times.
Sponsors: Monahan
Attachments: Ordinances.pdf
Program Supervisor Monahan stated the Park Board asked staff to
review with the League of MN Cities and other Parks and Recreation
Departments in the Metro on their dog ordinances, and if they had
specific hours designed for off leash in the parks.
He stated staff did not find any other city that had designated hours for
off leash time in the parks. The League of MN Cities also was not
aware of any cities or counties having specific time for off leash in the
parks.
He noted the response staff received from most cities was they either
had a Dog Park that had fenced in areas for dogs to be off leash or they
used designated hockey rinks at specific parks and used them as an off
leash area.
He indicated this spring staff would be exploring options at Lochness
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Park to construct a fenced in area for a dog park. He noted this project
could take place between 2015 - 2018 with funds used from interest in
the Capital Improvement Fund that had been approved by City
Council.
Chair Bird stated this was a City ordinance and not a Park ordinance.
He stated part of him was uncomfortable with the Park Board
recommending a City ordinance be changed. However, at the same
time the City Police Department had brought it to the Park Board that
there was an issue that needed to be addressed. He stated he was torn
about this because he saw both sides of the argument. He stated after
thinking about it, he would say that it was difficult for him to support
changing a City ordinance saying all residents had to have their dog on
a leash if they did not have a dog park in the City. He stated they
might need to start really addressing this problem. He noted it might
be time to make this a serious commitment. He believed they should
provide an off leash area of substantial size where people could run
their dogs before they force people to put their dogs on a leash. He
stated he was not a dog owner and he looked forward to the other
members speaking to this, but he would have difficulty supporting a
change to the City ordinance when there was not an alternative in
place.
Commissioner Markle stated he agreed they were stretching this if
they were recommending an ordinance for the entire City. He noted
he had been a dog owner in the past and his particular dog he would
not have let it off its leash as he did not have enough control over it to
meet the standards of the current ordinance. He stated the past
discussions and the violations that have been noted by the Police show
that there were a small number of infractions that happened
throughout the year. To him, he believed they had enough “meat” on
this ordinance to deal with any issues that have presented themselves
in the past. He indicated the Police have stepped up their enforcement
more and they have heard from some of the dog owners that were
using the parks were not in favor of the increased enforcement. He did
not see a lot of value in the proposed ordinance. He did not see a lot
that would change that would make it that much better. He believed
some of the issues they have with dogs could happen either on or off
leash. He believed this was a matter of control on the dog owner’s
part. He believed most dog owners were aware of their capabilities of
their control of their dog. He stated he was not in support of the
proposed ordinance and he was uncomfortable recommending a
Citywide ordinance be changed.
Commissioner Langenfeld stated he was dog owner. He believed this
was a solution in search of a problem and he agreed there were
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instances where dogs were an annoyance, but he did not see any
injuries that have occurred. He stated he did not support this. He
stated he lived near Happy Acres where they did try the dog park in the
hockey rink and those that could control their dog used the open space,
and those that could not had a leash on their dog. He stated he would
not support this.
Commissioner Lester stated he was also a dog owner and he agreed
that if there was not an option such as an off leash park, it would be
difficult to support this proposed ordinance. He asked with the current
ordinance if invisible fencing would pass the ordinance. He believed
the ordinance might need to be updated. Chair Bird responded he
believed if there was a wireless restraint system, the dog would be
restricted on the property.
Commissioner Lester stated he questioned the wording “secured
tether”. Chair Bird responded it was a wireless tether.
Chair Bird stated it appeared the Board was not in support of moving
this forward, but if the Police Department came back to them with
additional issues or concerns, the Board would be open to it. He asked
if anyone was interested in making a motion.
No one made a motion. Chair Bird tabled the dog ordinance and
requested the staff to update the Board once they had looked at the
possibility of a dog park at Lochness Park.
Tabled
5.-3 PB 14-03 PARK UPDATES
Sponsors: Monahan
Program Supervisor Krieger updated the Board on Lexington
Complex. He noted they had met with the contractor. He stated they
were 95 percent ready to go out for bid on the project. He stated the
plans and spec book was delivered to the City and the various City
departments were reviewing the book. He stated next week the
various departments would go through all of the changes. He hoped it
would go out for bid in the next few weeks.
Chair Bird asked if the bid was one entity to do the entire project, or
would it be bid by pieces. Program Supervisor Krieger responded
there would be a couple of items that would not be bid on such as park
lighting, electrical, and playground equipment, but the rest of it would
go out for bid.
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Program Supervisor Krieger stated on Aquatore they were having a
meeting to go over everything next week to get it ready to go out for
bid. He stated the Coon Creek Watershed had told staff that this also
had to go to the Corp of Engineers, and it might take 120 days for the
Corps approval. He noted they would go out for bid, but they might
not be able to start until late summer so it would be 2015 before they
would be able to have the fields ready.
Discussed
5.-4 PB 14-04 North Oaks West Park Feature
Sponsors: Monahan
Attachments: North Oaks West Park.pdf
Program Supervisor Monahan presented the North Oaks West Park
features.
Discussed
OTHER BUSINESS
Program Supervisor Monahan stated Council had directed staff to try
and cover more of their costs. In doing so, staff had added
non-resident fees to all of their programs. He noted a ten percent
non-resident fee was now in effect. He stated they had also switched
from an hourly rate to half/full day rates for the park shelters, which
would also bring in additional revenue. He stated non-profits would
now also be charged for the shelters.
Chair Bird stated they had an hourly rate at Lakeside, which was
probably one of the busier rentals. He asked if they anticipate a
decrease in the amount of rentals based on the new policy. Program
Supervisor Monahan responded they did not anticipate any change in
filling the shelters at any of the parks, with the exception of Town
Square Park, which was always low.
Program Supervisor Krieger noted this would eliminate a lot of issues with
conflicts with overlapping rentals also.
9. Adjournment
Commissioner Das motioned to adjourn. Commissioner Markle second the
motion. Motion approved unanimously.
Chair Bird adjourned the meeting at 7:21 p.m.
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Agenda
City of Blaine
Anoka County, Minnesota
10801 Town Square Dr.
Blaine MN 55449
Meeting Agenda - Final
Tuesday, January 28, 2014
7:00 PM
Council Chambers
Park Advisory Board
The Park Board is an advisory body to the City Council. One of the Board’s functions
is to hold
public meetings and make recommendations to the City Council. For each item, the
Board will
receive reports prepared by City staff, provide the opportunity for public response,
conduct Board
discussions and make recommendations. The City Council, however, makes all final
decisions on
these matters.
Park Advisory Board Meeting Agenda - Final January 28, 2014
1. Call To Order
2. Roll Call
3. Approval of Minutes
3.-1 MIN 14-08 APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 26, 2013 PARK BOARD
MINUTES
Sponsors: Monahan
Attachments: November Minutes.doc
4. Open Forum for Citizen Input
Open Forum allows an opportunity for Citizens to address the Board with their park
concerns, which are not included on this agenda. Please raise your hand to be
recognized by the Chairperson. Step up to the microphone on the left side of the
chambers and announce your name and address before you present your comments.
5. New Business
5.-1 PB 14-01 Recommendation of Lakeside Commons Permanent Parking
Lot
Sponsors: Monahan
Attachments: Lakeside Commons Park Site Plan 1-21-09.pdf
OverflowLot Use.xlsx
Hans Hagen Site Plan.pdf
Beach Sizes-Parking-Fees-Amenities I-5.xls
5.-2 PB 14-02 Follow up to Amend Dog Ordinance 14-141 All dogs will be kept
under restraint by their owners at all times.
Sponsors: Monahan
Attachments: Ordinances.pdf
5.-3 PB 14-03 PARK UPDATES
Sponsors: Monahan
5.-4 PB 14-04 North Oaks West Park Feature
Sponsors: Monahan
Attachments: North Oaks West Park.pdf
9. Adjournment
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