Zoning Board of Adjustment and Appeals
Regular MeetingBoerne, TX · November 18, 2020
Minutes
MINUTES
ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEALS MEETING
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
447 N. Main St.
Boerne, TX 78006
Wednesday, November 18, 2020 – 5:30 p.m.
Members present: Scott Lowry-Chair, Jim Terrian-Vice Chair, Richard
McCormick-Secretary, Tom Harris, Blaine Lewis, Jon Paul Bergman, Matt Janysek,
and Steve Stewart
Staff Present: Laura Talley, Michael Mann, Barbara Quirk, Andrea Snouffer, and
Barrett Squires
Visitors: Margaret Lamar, Ben Smith, Ricardo and Melody Palacios
1. CALL TO ORDER – 5:30 PM
Called to order at 5:34 p.m.
2. CONFLICT OF INTEREST DECLARATION
There were none.
3. DESIGNATE VOTING MEMBERS
All five regular members present will vote.
4. APPROVE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 21, 2020
Member Harris motioned to approve, Secretary McCormick
seconded. Minutes approved 5-0.
5. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
Receive comments on Variance No. 20-07, Lot 4, Lake Country,
Unit VII (157 Lake Front Dr.)
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Mr. Palacios approached and explained that this is their dream home
and bought this property in July of 2020. Property is 3.2 acres. Part
of the property in under Boerne Lake. There's a drop of 40' in
elevation. He is requesting a three foot setback to have space for a
driveway. The shed is 8 x 12. He has spoken with this neighbors.
There's an alternate location, but it is one level down. To get to the
alternate location it is very steep. He explained he is older and could
fall. The existing shed was there when they bought the property. He
would like to build a larger shed with a concrete base. Mr. Palacios
showed a 3D scan of his property. He explained the steepness of the
property. The challenge for them, he explained, is getting to the shed
with the steep slope. He explained the size of the new shed in relation
to the old. He next showed a fly over scan of the property explaining it
is like a bird's eye view.
Laura Talley, Planning & Zoning Director, approached and explained it
is plus or minus three acres and they have an acre and half of
buildable area. It's not impossible to build a shed in a different area.
The ordinance requires a setback of 5' behind the main building, 10'
on the side and 10' from the rear. Member Lewis asked if he can
leave the existing shed where it is. Laura said yes.
Mr. Palacios explained a wet weather creek that was flowing on his
property at the lower level and showed this on the survey. Member
Bergman asked about the area that is on the lower level would that
be his second choice for placement of the shed. Mr. Palacios said
yes, but we hesitated due to the wet weather creek and the visibility
from the Combs property. He then showed the Combs property
overhead. Secretary McCormick asked about the existing location.
The distance now between the gate and the shed is needed for
vehicles to get in. Secretary McCormick further confirmed that if the
shed was moved ten feet from the side property line that it would
block the ability for emergency vehicles to enter and travel down to
the lake. Mr. Palacios confirmed that was true. Vice Chair Terrian
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asked if the new shed would be double the size. Mr. Palacios said
two of those buildings together would amount to the new shed. Vice
ChairTerrian asked about putting the shed where the boat is now and
re orient the shed and stay within the required setbacks. Mrs.
Palacios said at the boat location is where the decline starts. Mrs.
Palacios approached and said they'll have to build up the right hand
side and it won't be ten feet from the side. Mr. Palacios showed how
the new building will be in relation to the cedars trees between him
and his neighbor.
Receive comments on Variance No. 20-08, Lot Pt 1, Cibolo Nature
Center & Farm (33 Herff Rd.).
Laura Talley explained the ordinance allows for only four foot tall
fences in the front yard setback. Staff's interpretation is the front yard
starts at the front building line. There are structures behind the fence
in this case. Laura said we consider this a daycare and there are no
other daycares or schools that have six feet fences in front of the
structures. She said they could put a 6' fence that begins at their first
building and to the sides there, but not along the front.
Ben Smith approached and explained he is a volunteer at the nature
center and owner/ rep of the new school. He explained Braden Haley,
the architect, is participating via Zoom and Margaret Lamar, director
of the school, is present as well. Braden Haley said they are
requesting a variance to build a 6' fence in front of the new nature
center school campus. Braden said the project was submitted to the
City of Boerne for permitting/building review and to comply with the
Herff overlay district. We sent several emails regarding the stone wall
to City Staff and did not receive a lot of feed back and continued with
the design of the stone wall. The frontage is approximately 1300' long
and the area of the fence is 260' long. He explained the design and
materials of the wall. He said the height restrictions in the ordinance is
confusing because in the overlay district requirements there are
requirements for a high masonry wall. He feels that this wall does not
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distract from the character of Herff Rd.
Margaret Lamar, the Executive Director of the Cibolo Nature Center
and Farm, approached and explained that they are passionate about
the look and feel in Boerne. This school is a hidden gem right now. It's
tucked away, but becoming known for its curriculum. She said it is a
3.5 million dollar campus and has about 125 kids per day. We're
building this campus on Herff Farm. The kids are outside 50-75% of
the day. There are 3-6 year olds attending this school. The school is
so close to Herff Rd. We contributed part of our land to the City in
order to allow widening of Herff Rd. as well as a sidewalk. It is
important to have this buffer between the children and increasing
traffic. She said they want to make a case on the health, safety and
welfare of the kids as well as the learning aspects. Herff Rd. is 35'
from where these children will be playing. This is not a child care
center although it is deemed a child care center. It is more of a
school. We are concerned with 5 or 6 year olds climbing the fence.
This is not the front of the school, the school's entrance is on the
inside of the property. The increased road traffic will increase along
with foot traffic. A 4' fence there is a potential for child predators to
stand on the sidewalk and look at the children all day. She said they
want the kids to be safe and learn. Researchers will also be working
with kids. When there is road noise, it decreases their ability to focus.
Our licensing agency requires them to have auditory awareness.
Children will be right up against the fence. We have also designed a 6'
fence around the entire school to keep the deer out and from eating
the kids' work. Cibolo Nature Center & Farm cares about the
aesthetics along Herff Rd. Member Janysek asked if it was a right in
and right out egress going into this property. Braden said yes.
Member Janysek asked if there are any visual issues getting out onto
Herff Rd. Member Harris asked is there was a total of 6 buildings.
Margaret confirmed there is. Member Harris said the only building
impacted is the one closest to the fence. Margaret explained yes that
is correct, but the children are outside 50-75% of the time. Secretary
McCormick asked what the fence tapers to. Braden said there is a
berm and the wall gently slopes and tapers down into the berm.
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Secretary McCormick asked about the existing wire fence. Margaret
said yes it is a 4' wire fence and on top of the berm. Ben said all the
buildings will have a 6' fence, only a small portion will be facing Herff
Rd. The remainder of the fence will remain a 4' wire fence. Secretary
McCormick asked if the gate will remain closed. Ben said yes and
there will be a code to get in. Margaret said 265' of the 1200 ' of the
frontage will be the fence. She said it is really the backside of the
school, however it fronts Herff. Member Lewis asked Laura to explain
the difference between the 4' and 6' fencing between residential and
commercial. Laura said the fronts of the residential face Herff Rd., so
the fence requirement of 6' is to screen backyards from Herff Rd. We
don't allow it for commercial, however, because we want to
showcase the commercial on Herff Rd. Commercial properties are
restricted to 4' fence for the Herff overlay district. Vice Chair Terrian
confirmed with Laura that the 6' fence can be built behind the
structure. Laura said where the first building starts is where they
could have a 6' fence. Terrian asked Laura to confirm again the Herff
Rd overlay where commercial is required to have a 4' fence and
residential is required to have a 6'. Laura said the point of that is to
show off the commercial businesses.
6. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION/ACTION
Variance No. 20-07: A request from Ricardo & Melody Palacios,
requesting a variance to the City of Boerne Zoning Ordinance
Article 5, Table 5-2, to allow for a detached accessory side setback
of 3-feet rather than the required 10-foot side setback for Lot 4,
Lake Country, Unit VII (157 Lake Front Dr.).
Vice Chair Terrian said we see a lot of these sheds come before the
board. He said he tried to figure out a hardship, but he feels you can
get a building in there and abide by the 10' setback. Secretary
McCormick moved to approve the variance, no one seconded.
Because of a lack of a motion, it is not approved.
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Variance No. 20-08: A request from Braden Haley, on behalf of
Friends of Cibolo Wilderness, requesting a variance to the City of
Boerne Zoning Ordinance Article 3, Section 5.002, to allow for a
fence height of 6-feet rather than the required 4-foot fence height
for Lot Pt 1, Cibolo Nature Center & Farm (33 Herff Rd.).
Member Janysek says he understands what they're trying to do. He
sees the need for the safety issue because of the busy road and sees
the need to shield for the noise. A negative could be a site line when
exiting the property. Vice Chair Terrian said the aesthetic value of it is
nice, but the site line and traffic concern him. The area to the
Southwest and near entry gate and parking lot may not be a good
play area. Member Bergman said the wall does go down when you
look to the left or right it does diminish from the view. Member
Bergman asked what the entrance is used for. Margaret said the gate
will be for drop off and pick up for the children. Ben said we have
provisions for a knox box and designated emergency vehicles. Ben
doesn't feel the line of sight is an issue. Margaret said we would be
happy to modify the design. Member Janysek said maybe this is
something we could table if they go back and modify the entrance.
Laura said at an angle 25' back to have clear vision for exiting the
sight. Member Bergmann said if it is a backyard would it be
appropriate. Laura said back or front they need clear vision. Mike
Mann said the vision is a separate part of the ordinance. Member
Harris asked about consideration to a unique circumstance. Member
Bergman said we don't know what will happen when the next resident
comes along. He said he feels this is a unique situation. He said a
good reason to have a 6' fence is to protect the children. It's going to
remain a daycare/school. Member Lewis moved to approve the
variance, Secretary McCormick seconded. Member Harris opposed
this motion. Motion passed 4-1.
7. ADJOURNMENT
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Meeting was adjourned at 7 p.m.
_______________________________
Chair
_______________________________
Secretary
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Agenda
AGENDA
ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEALS MEETING
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
447 N. Main St.
Boerne, TX 78006
Wednesday, November 18, 2020 – 5:30 p.m.
1. CALL TO ORDER – 5:30 PM
2. CONFLICT OF INTEREST DECLARATION
3. DESIGNATE VOTING MEMBERS
4. APPROVE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 21, 2020
5. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
2020-658 Receive comments on Variance No. 20-07, Lot 4, Lake Country,
Unit VII (157 Lake Front Dr.)
2020-659 Receive comments on Variance No. 20-08, Lot Pt 1, Cibolo Nature
Center & Farm (33 Herff Rd.).
6. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION/ACTION
2020-660 Variance No. 20-07: A request from Ricardo & Melody Palacios,
requesting a variance to the City of Boerne Zoning Ordinance
Article 5, Table 5-2, to allow for a detached accessory side
setback of 3-feet rather than the required 10-foot side setback
for Lot 4, Lake Country, Unit VII (157 Lake Front Dr.).
2020-661 Variance No. 20-08: A request from Braden Haley, on behalf of
Friends of Cibolo Wilderness, requesting a variance to the City of
Boerne Zoning Ordinance Article 3, Section 5.002, to allow for a
fence height of 6-feet rather than the required 4-foot fence
height for Lot Pt 1, Cibolo Nature Center & Farm (33 Herff Rd.).
7. ADJOURNMENT
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Michael G. Mann
Administrative Officer
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CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the above notice of meeting was posted on the 13th day of
November at 5 p.m.
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Andrea Snouffer
Recording Secretary
NOTICE OF ASSISTANCE AT THE PUBLIC MEETINGS
The City Hall Complex is wheelchair accessible. Access to the building and special
parking are available at the front entrance to the building. Requests for special services
must be received forty-eight (48) hours prior to the meeting time by calling Andrea
Snouffer at 830-248-1538.
Pursuant to Section 30.06 Penal Code (trespass by license holder with a concealed
handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code
(handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun.
Pursuant to section 30.07 Penal Code (trespass by license holder with an openly
carried handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government
Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a handgun that is
carried openly.
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