Town Council - Ways & Means Committee
Regular MeetingBraintree, MA · October 30, 2019
Minutes
MEMBERS
Braintree Town Council Thomas Bowes, Chairman
Committee of Ways & Means Shannon Hume, Vice-Chair
One JFK Memorial Drive Stephen C. O’Brien, Member
Braintree, Massachusetts 02184 Timothy Carey, Member
Thomas Whalen, Member
MINUTES
October 30, 2019
A meeting of the Committee of Ways & Means was held in the Cahill Auditorium, Braintree Town Hall, on
Wednesday, October 30, 2019 at 6:00p.m.
Councilor Bowes was in the Chair.
The Clerk of the Council conducted the roll call.
Present: Thomas Bowes, Chairman
Shannon Hume, Vice‐Chair
Stephen C. O’Brien, Member
Timothy Carey, Member
Thomas Whalen, Member
Also Present: Nicole Taub, Town Solicitor
Joseph Reynolds, Chief of Staff
Karen Shanely, Human Resource Director
Paul Shastany, Chief of Police
Mark Dubois, Chief of Police
Brian Kyes, Chief of Police Chelsea
Kenneth Murphy, Officer/VP of MA Coalition of Police
Karen MacAleese, Interim Deputy Chief
Dan Clifford, former Council member
Larry Mackin, resident
John McKinley, resident
The meeting was opened with the pledge of allegiance to the flag followed by a moment of silence for all
those serving in our armed services, past and present.
Approval of Minutes
None
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New Business
19 038 Mayor: Appointment ‐ Chief of Police, Mark W. Dubois or take up any action relative thereto
Nicole Taub stated on behalf of Mayor Sullivan thank you for setting aside time tonight to review the
decision to appoint Chief Mark Dubois to serve as our next Chief of Police. As has been the case with all
prior mayor appointments that have come before this committee, we are here to review the Mayor’s
appointment and are prepared to answer any questions you have regarding Chief Dubois’ qualifications
for the position.
On July 1, 2019, the Mayor announced the search for the next Chief of Police, which was necessary due
to the impending retirement of Chief Paul Shastany. A search committee was put together of highly
experienced law enforcement personnel who were tasked with reviewing all of the applicants,
conducting preliminary interviews and recommending finalists for the Mayor’s consideration. The
committee included Chief Brian Kyes of the Chelsea Police Department, Retired Chief Ed Deveau of the
Watertown PD, Chief Kelly Nee of the Boston University PD, Human Resources Director and Town
Solicitor. In total the committee has over 100 years of police experience and was committed to
ensuring that the most qualified candidate was selected to serve this community.
28 resumes were received in response to the job posting published on July 1, 2019. The committee
conducted interviews of 10 candidates, including all of the internal applicants for the position. The
committee then unanimously recommended finalists to move forward in the process and meet with the
Mayor.
Chief Brian Kyes, who is currently chief of the Chelsea Police Department and a member of many law
enforcement organizations, has previously participated in search committees and assessment centers
relative to the appointment of a chief of police and is a well‐respected member of the law enforcement
community. Chief Kyes stated he was asked to serve on a selection committee along with retired Chief
Ed Deveau of the Watertown PD and Chief Kelly Nee of the Boston University PD. There were 28
candidates who applied for the job. We made a decision to narrow that down to 10 applicants. We
looked at each resume and letter for consideration on our own time and selected our 10 and sent them
to a point person in a “blind” fashion. No one knew each other’s selections. That was done by mid‐
August. There was a significant number of overlaps selected of candidates for the top 10. We discussed
these at length and decided on 10. We interviewed in September. I found this to be a very
professional process and very thorough. Mayor Sullivan asked all members of the committee to be fair
and impartial.
Councilor O’Brien stated thank you for being here Chief Kyes. Thank you for identifying the process.
The general public may feel the Town Council has some information on how the process goes and that
we are more involved than we actually are. As we sit here tonight the only thing the Mayor has to
provide to us for a decision is in fact the candidate that he has selected. It is interesting to know about
the 28 because I can’t find that documented anywhere. I didn’t know there were 28 and had no idea
there were 10 that were “widdled” down and I certainly had no idea there were 3 finals selected. We
have heard from many people we have the ability to change the process or somehow vet the candidates
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more than the ability that we have, we don’t. There is one candidate before us. That is the selected
candidate and that is who we have to vet. That is what I am personally doing.
Councilor O’Brien asked Chief Kyes when he received the 28 candidates did you review all 28?
Chief Kyes stated we received a package of all 28 resumes and letters of consideration and any
additional accompanying documents. It was our responsibility to go through each of the 28 and make a
determination of who we felt would be the most qualified candidate at least the top 10 for the first
phase. That is pretty much the industry standard. You get a large group and vet it down to something
manageable so you can have them in for interviews. Yes we did go through each and every piece of
paper for every single candidate submitted.
Councilor O’Brien asked if there were candidates that weren’t even qualified.
Chief Kyes stated not that I recall but for a police chief the size of a city like Braintree I would certainly
think the rank of at least Lieutenant or above should be something considered.
Councilor O’Brien asked about Police Chiefs or department personnel being involved.
Chief Kyes stated in my experience there has never been anyone involved in the local department being
part of the process. It is people outside so no bias. Sometimes outside committees are hired and
people are getting paid. Here in Braintree there was no financial arrangement. We volunteered our
time. We had no ties to Braintree and there was no other individual from the police department
involved in the process.
Councilor O’Brien asked how many times did you meet with Chief Dubois?
Chief Kyes stated initially the top 10 were given an hour interview. I met with him once.
Councilor Carey asked about the top 28 resumes and how they were forwarded in a “blind” fashion.
Can you explain that a little more?
Chief Kyes stated everyone on this panel were put to a task to take a significant group of resumes and
packages of 28. We were to come up with 10 that we would submit to the point person who was
designated as the Human Resource Director and submit that information via email in a blind fashion so
only this point person would see them.
Councilor Carey asked if all resumes had full information including where they were employed.
Chief Kyes stated yes it was a full resume.
Councilor Hume asked what qualities you saw that set this appointee aside from everyone else.
Chief Kyes stated training, education, experience, as far as the candidates in the top 10 he was the only
police chief. He’s been a police chief for over 7 years and involved in policing over 25 years. He’s an
attorney, military leader, his character was on paper highly qualified certainly and I think during the
interview process and the hours’ time we had with him he really took what he had on paper to a whole
other level, in my opinion.
Councilor O’Brien asked does it concern you the candidate in front of us comes from a smaller town.
Chief Kyes stated it doesn’t. The Chief has experience coming up the ranks in a larger department in
Shrewsbury. It is certainly the leadership traits and characteristics the chief has certainly translate.
Nicole Taub, Town Solicitor stated as Mayor Sullivan has stated publicly, this was not an easy decision
given the quality of the candidate pool; however, the qualifications Chief Dubois has that will enable
him to lead our police department are undeniable. You have been provided his resume. The
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appointment of Chief Dubois to serve as our next Chief of Police is not a political one. On the contrary,
Chief Dubois’ appointment is based on his extensive qualifications and experience in law enforcement –
all of which make him the most qualified candidate for the position and to best serve the needs of our
department and our community upon Chief Shastany’s retirement next month.
Chief Dubois stated I went into considerable research and decision making when I applied. I spoke to a
lot of people involved in the community. I spoke with the General Manager of the South Shore Plaza,
and police officers. I spoke with Chief Shastany for over an hour one day to get a feel for the
community. I did a lot of research on what I could remotely. With all that I thought it was an excellent
fit and I was very excited to apply. I was very excited to get selected by the Mayor. I would like to
address the size of the community that I am coming from. If you look at my overall experience there is
different times and levels that fit well for Braintree. In Maynard I developed all the executive skills
necessary like budgets, personnel, civil service. Doesn’t matter the size of the department the issues
are the same. Shrewsbury is very similar to Braintree. Population being about 38,000.
Councilor Carey asked as an outsider what would your challenges be to overcome and how would you
be able to do that.
Chief Dubois stated it would be developing trust within the police department and the community.
That takes a little time understanding my personality, my expectations. The challenges are getting a
feel for the priorities internally and externally and being successful in achieving those and responding to
them. Initially it would be just to get to know how the police department operates as personnel and
how they interact with the community and all those relationships.
Councilor Hume stated we are the Ways & Means and we are governed by the Charter.
We all had the opportunity to meet with you individually. I want to read the part of the Charter on the
appointment that applies to us:
SECTION 2‐10: COUNCIL REVIEW OF CERTAIN APPOINTMENTS
The mayor shall submit to the town council the name of each person the mayor desires to appoint to
any town office, as a department director, or as a member of a multiple‐member body, but not
including any position that is subject to the civil service law. The town council shall refer each name that
is submitted to it to a standing committee of the town council which shall investigate each candidate for
appointment and may make a report, with recommendations, to the full town council not less than 7
nor more than 21 days after the referral. The committee may require any person whose name has been
referred to it to appear before the committee, or before the town council, to give any information
relevant to the appointment that the committee, or the town council, may require.
Appointments made by the mayor shall become effective on the thirtieth day after the date on which
notice of the proposed appointment was filed with the clerk of the council, unless 6 members of the
town council shall within those 30 days vote to reject the appointment, or unless the town council has
sooner voted to affirm the appointment. The question on rejection of any appointment made by the
mayor shall not be subject to the procedure of charter objection provided in section 2‐9 (b) of this
charter.
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Councilor Bowes, Chairman stated he now would allow members of the public to come forward to
speak, state your name and you will be limited to 5 minutes.
Officer Kenneth Murphy, VP of MA Coalition of Police and I represent the Unions within the Braintree
Police Department. He stated no doubt the process is thorough and well explained this evening. We
are days from an election. Would the new Mayor have a voice? Why would the current Mayor appoint
so close to the new Mayor coming in? That new Mayor might like to select a department head more in
line, but maybe Chief Dubois is.
There were many applicants and it seems like a very professional process. The Mayor said he reviewed
the applicants. Did he actually interview more than one?
Nicole Taub, replied the Mayor stated the initial process began in July in light of the retirement of Chief
Shastany in November. It was important so there be no lapse in time in the leadership of the police
department. As to the second question, there were three finalists and one decided not to move
forward with this process. The Mayor interviewed 2 of them. The selection committee was relied upon
for expertise.
Larry Mackin, Milton Road, running for Town Councilor in District 6 stated the selection of a new police
chief has become a controversial issue in town. Many residents believe the selection should not be left
to the outgoing Mayor. A new Mayor should have a say in this decision. Before the current chief the
mayor appointed an interim. He should do that here. I would hope the committee will hold a vote and
the council will hold a meeting before the election on Tuesday.
Councilor Bowes stated the calendar for the Town Council is made a year in advance. The next meeting
is November 6th which is the day after the election. A change in meeting is up to the Council President.
Dan Clifford, 265 Saint Claire Street stated this vote should be taken up before the election. It is within
the purview of the Council President to call a special meeting. November 4th would be the only date
available now.
Councilor Bowes stated your concerns will be relayed to the Council President. I plan to have a motion
made one way or the other tonight you will know how 5 members are going to vote.
John McKinley, 56 Logan Road stated tonight is not about if Chief DuBois is qualified. It is about the
obvious bias to an officer in the Braintree Police Department. The fact not one of the 4 BPD officers
were given a second interview gives the appearance of political bias of our current elected official
against our very qualified officers.
Councilor Bowes stated this is not bias. There was a selection committee of 5 individuals who chose the
finalists. Council has no decision in the matter. It is an Executive Branch matter. It is up to the Mayor
and his staff on who is going to be on the selection committee. We will take a vote in this committee
tonight. This committee will make a recommendation. I heard from others they would like a meeting
on Monday. I will do my best to relay that message to the Council President.
John McKinley, 56 Logan Road stated it was clear the mayor did not want to hire within. No one on the
BPD even made the second cut.
Councilor Bowes stated please stick to the facts. You just heard from Chief Kyes on the process.
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Karen MacAleese stated were any of the chiefs that were on the panel, did any members of their
departments interview and were they finalists?
Nicole Taub, stated it is the Town’s position that it is a person’s decision to seek employment outside of
their current position is a private one. It is not for the town to disclose anyone’s decision to do that.
With the experience of the search committee it is inevitable that individuals would be familiar whether
through a direct report or otherwise with candidates that come through the process. I can assure you
every member of the search committee conducted themselves in a professional and unbiased manner.
Karen MacAleese asked did the chief’s interview anyone from their departments because they would
have knowledge of that person and our chief was not allowed to be on that process.
Nicole Taub, stated it is inevitable that you would come across individuals you know or work side by
side with or know in a professional organization or otherwise. I would also like to remind people there
were two individuals from this community on this panel begin our HR Director and myself who were
familiar and worked with all of the internal candidates that considered their resume for consideration.
Councilor O’Brien asked Chief Dubois to share his drive and passion. It is very impressive the person
before us is a chief but also an attorney. You know and understand the law.
Chief Dubois stated his father and brother were in the military. When I got out of high school I went to
sign up for the military but my parents and brother talked me out of it. I knew I wanted to go into Law
Enforcement but I took another route. This really bothered me because I always really wanted to be
involved in the military and serve. I put myself through college receiving my associates, bachelor and
law degree. I still had this nagging to go into the military and decided to sign up for the Army. I have
been in 12 years. It is one of the better decisions I have made. It is very rewarding.
Councilor O’Brien asked Chief Dubois what the Guard “work” requires of you.
Chief Dubois stated in the Trial piece we work from our homes. It will not interfere with any policing. It
will be a minimal impact.
Councilor Bowes stated we here in Braintree are very close to Accreditation.
Chief Dubois stated that is very impressive. It is not an easy process. I have been involved in updating
policies and procedures in previous Towns, getting certified and accomplishing Accreditation. It is a
long process but I work closely with the union also to make sure they are on board with everything. It is
a team effort to accomplish. It completely professionalizes your operation.
Councilor Hume stated I have been involved in many search committees myself. I believe in the
process. I believe it works. It is no easy task. I thank all of you coming before us and willing to speak.
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Motion made by Councilor Hume for favorable recommendation to the full Council.
Councilor O’Brien stated “Second for Discussion” during the Motion being read: I came into this process
wanting a reason not to vote. Same night action is unacceptable. This is the process. We are bound by
it. I am glad another member read the detail from the Charter (2‐10). We have one candidate to look
at. I wanted a reason to be negative. I was concerned no one on the committee interviewing was from
Braintree. I was concerned Chief Shastany was not involved but Chief Kyes helped with my fears that
the process is an industry process. We don’t see candidates or review any others. I thought what could
happen if we vote no. Chief Kyes stated this was the only Chief who put his name “in the bucket”. I
looked and refuse to look anymore. I am very happy with the candidate we have in front of us.
MOTION: To Approve in accordance with Sections 2‐10 and 3‐3 of the Charter, the Appointment of
Mark W. DuBois as Chief of Police of the Braintree Police Department for a 3 year term.
Motion: by Councilor Hume for favorable recommendation to the full Council
Second: by Councilor O’Brien
Vote: For (5– Bowes, Carey, Hume, O’Brien, Whalen), Against (0), Absent (0), Abstain (0)
Councilor O’Brien stated the Library conference room is booked if a Vote by this current Council is
approved/scheduled by Council President to be held on Monday, November 4, 2019.
Old Business
None
It was unanimously voted to adjourn the meeting at 7:18p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Susan M. Cimino
Clerk of the Council
Documents provided for Meeting
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