Board of Zoning Appeals
Regular MeetingBrookfield, WI · October 12, 2017
Minutes
THESE ARE THE MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF APPEALS MEETING ON
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2017, AT 7:00 P.M. HELD IN THE COUNCIL
CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 2000 N. CALHOUN ROAD, BROOKFIELD.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Kevin Bublitz, Rod Carter, Gordon Rozmus, Frank DeGuire, Robert
Buikema
MEMBERS ABSENT & EXCUSED: Alderman Ron Balzer, Alderman Lisa Mellone (alt.)
ALSO PRESENT: Zoning & Building Administrator
Kevin Bublitz called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. He stated that the notice of hearing
has been duly published pursuant to the State open meetings law and explained the procedure
to present the appeals to the Board this evening.
1. Roll Call
Mr. Bublitz indicated that a quorum is present and that the request for variances must
receive the affirmative vote of three members of the Board in order for a request to be granted.
New Business:
2a. September 14, 2017, Minutes
• Frank DeGuire moved approval of the September 14, 2017, Board of Appeals meeting
minutes. Seconded by Robert Buikema and carried unanimously.
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Public Hearing & Consideration of Appeal: Certain requests for building permits have been
submitted to the City of Brookfield and have been denied by the Zoning & Building Administrator
because they did not comply with the Zoning, Building or Sign Code of the City of Brookfield.
There will be a Public Hearing held before the Board of Appeals on September 14, 2017, at 7:00
pm at the Common Council Chambers for the express purpose of considering the following
request(s) for variance. Please note that following the public hearing(s) the Board intends to
take action by considering the request indicated:
3a. Ken and Susan Levitt, 3415 Muirwood Dr.: Swimming Pool and Fence
The next item was the request of Ken & Susan Levitt, Lot 31 & 1/62 UNDIV FRAC INT
OUTLOT 1 MUIRWOOD NE ¼ SEC 8 T7N R20E, to appeal Section 15.04.330 C. to permit
installation of a swimming pool and fence which is too close to the lot line at 3415 Muirwood
Drive. The proposed pool is located 15’ from back property line where 25’ is the minimum
offset.
Zoning and Building Administrator Larry Goudy reviewed the regulations for swimming
pools. Swimming pools must be outside of the offset for that subdivision. In the City of
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Brookfield, there are different offsets, depending on when the subdivision was platted.
Subdivisions platted after 1989, such as Muirwood, have a offset regulation of 25’. In regards
to swimming pools and how they relate to that, the first 3’ of concrete apron surrounding the
in-ground pool counts as the swimming pool (The water edge is at 28’.) In this case the
proposed pool, including the 3’ concrete apron, is 15’ from the property line. Therefore, there
is a request for a 10’ variance. The fence that surrounds the pool does not violate the code.
The code allows the fence up to 10’ from the edge of the hardscape area but no closer than
10’ to the property line, which it is. The fence does not require a variance, but the location of
the swimming pool does. The applicant provided pictures of the pool layout of the subject
property and the neighbors’ lot. Mr. Goudy stated he has received one letter of opposition and
received a phone call from the son of the same opposition writer (reiterating the same ideas).
Ken and Susan Levitt appeared before the Board as well as the builder of the pool, Rob
Brinkman. Mr. Levitt stated that where they are proposing the pool is set down into the yard.
There is a large deck that they can overlook the pool. He stated his lot on either side is very
private. They can’t see into their yard. It was made aware to him yesterday that there was an
objection by his next door neighbor. We have lived next to her for 18 years and she is an
elderly lady. Assistance has been given to her by his family. He was shocked to hear of this
and to not even call him. She couldn’t see anything from her backyard as there is a lot of
landscaping. Pictures were provided that showed her neighbor’s viewpoint from her neighbor’s
backyard.
Mr. Rozmus asked if there were any evergreens amongst the trees. There is one pine
tree left on the side. The rest are trees that drop leaves in the fall. Mrs. Levitt offered to plant
more trees. Mr. Levitt stated he wasn’t expecting to receive any objections. One of the things
that was mentioned in the letter was noise. There is noise because Brookfield Academy has
football and baseball games and concerts, etc. It is only just the two of them. On the North
side of her is a sports court. She also spends half the summer in her lake cottage up North. He
has never seen her sit in her backyard, ever.
Mr. Carter asked if the variance is denied, what is plan ‘B’? Mr. Brinkman asked if a
thinner concrete apron be allowed, instead of 3’ and inquired as to the reason for the 3’
requirement. Mr. Goudy replied that he believes that the 3’ apron minimum is what is needed
to provide a safe way around the pool and/or to render aid for someone that is in the pool. The
pool is a narrow pool and the pool is less than 6’ deep. One thing we could do is cut 2’ of
concrete off the western edge. It could probably be brought closer to the corner deck, whereby
he could get 4’ less off the variance. Mr. Rozmus asked if the water area could be shifted
further to the south so it would be completely behind the house. Mr. Goudy added that there is
no legal setback from the house for a swimming pool. However, he has had insurance
companies oppose a pool being too close to the house because of injury due to someone
jumping off the roof. Mr. Brinkman stated he could bring it about 1-1/2’ to 2’ South closer to
the house.
Mr. Bublitz felt the purpose of a setback is to avoid having something too closer to a
neighboring property. In this case, he did view the property today. It is a very secluded
property and is at the end of a cul-de-sac. There is a conservancy behind it. It would be very
difficult to see the proposed pool. The property is unique as there is only a 34’ back yard. It
limits the ability to do anything in the back yard.
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Mr. Rozmus asked the distance of the fence to the North property line. Mr. Brinkman
replied about 20’. From the edge of the pool is about 31’ from the North lot line. He could
move it about 2’ closer. Mr. Carter stated there are solid trees on the North side. Mr. Brinkman
suggested that he would be fine with adding more trees and seclude it more. Mr. Rozmus
agreed that planting more arborvitae to seclude the property even more would help. Mr.
Bublitz stated in lieu of an additional drawing, it should be stipulated that be a condition of
approval.
Mary and Mark Reinders, daughter and son of neighbor, wanted to get a couple of
things straight. Mary Reinders stated although her mother is elderly, she is very active and is in
great health. In recent years, she only made it up North three times for long weekends. She
loves being outdoors and spends a lot of time in her back porch and deck that is located at the
Southwest corner which directly overlooks her neighbor’s back yard. Mark Reinders stated his
mother is very non-confrontational. She is not trying to make enemies. She just wants to
enjoy the conservancy and doesn’t want it disturbed. He can see into the Levitt’s back porch.
The view lines are very open. He is really interested in seeing the Southwest view into the
conservancy as an uninterrupted view. The pool interferes with that. He felt this is not one of
the sites for a pool because the backyard is small. In his past experience, he has dealt with a
wetland barrier (buffer). Nothing can be built in that area to protect wetlands. He reviewed
DNR Administrative Code NR151.125. He believes the conservancy is a moderate wetland. It
references that nothing can be built within 50’ of the wetland area. It is a 50’ buffer area from
the delineated wetland boundary to the closest impervious surface (pool aprons for example).
If the wetland is considered highly susceptible, then you would have to 75’ back from the
delineated line of the wetland before any impervious surface. The patios from these houses
seem to be 75’ back from the wetland delineation. He recommended to call Travis Schroeder
from the Waukesha DNR to verify this. Mr. Reinders then referred to the well, septic and
drainage area of the Zoning Code, stating that in no case shall a swimming pool be drained
onto lands of property owners other than the owner of the swimming pool. Clearly, it will be
drained on the property owner’s land, but where will the water go. The pool would be 15’ from
the conservancy. There will be pool chemicals going into the conservancy. That is contrary to
the Code. He has been out 15’ and it is soggy ground. It surprises me that Brinkman would
construct a pool and dig down that far because he will hit water. His mother’s sump pump runs
a lot. Mrs. Levitt replied that his mother’s house is further below grade than their house. Her
sump pump has never run in 18 years. There was discussion of Brookfield Academy’s
involvement with wetland delineation. Mr. Rozmus felt that 75’ buffer pertains to lakes. Mr.
Reinders disagreed and stated it applies to highly susceptible areas and mentioned those types
of areas. Mr. Rozmus stated this area is not any of the definitions that was mentioned. That
defined area is further out and there is standing water.
Mr. Bublitz felt this discussion was beyond the scope of the Board of Appeals. The
Board’s scope is limited in determining whether a variance would be appropriate here. He
thought the DNR ruling would be a completely separate matter. He felt a variance could be
granted or denied based on the Municipal Code but the DNR could be a separate issue as to
whether if they approve it or not. Mr. Reinders stated if the Board knows that the DNR
prohibits impervious surface in an area, it would set a bad precedent to approving things that
are in violation of DNR violation code.
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Mr. Buikema wanted on record that he wants the Board to focus on the rules they are
obligated to do. He doesn’t know if those DNR rules apply to this Board. Mrs. Reinders felt that
the rules are in place to provide a standard for living in Brookfield. Also, Brookfield is known
for their open spaces, parks, and conservancy. She felt it is going against what Brookfield is set
up to be, especially homes that are built in such proximity to a conservancy.
Mr. Rozmus asked if there were any private deed restrictions. Mr. Reinders replied he is
not aware. That would be a legal issue and the City is not part of enforcing those restrictions.
Mr. Brinkman asked why a 3’ apron is required around the pool. Mr. Goudy replied to
provide a safe travel path around the pool and to render aid for someone in the pool. Mr.
Brinkman added the patios can be pervious around the pool. Pools retain their own water and
it is not discharged. Fiberglass pools are full of water. They are also not emptied. In regards
to pool chemicals, they will be ultraviolet and very little if any chlorine would be in the pool. It
has 8 times less chlorine than the typical residential pool. In regards to grades, he is several
feet above grade. If it was close, he would have been concerned with ground water. In
regards to Brookfield Academy, he doesn’t know if that is relevant. He offered to come back
with a list of detailed trees for screening and vision if needed.
Mr. Bublitz read the standards for granting a variance. Mr. Buikema felt the Board
should look at public interest. Part of the public interest is neighbors. He felt it is unpleasant to
be in the middle of something like that. The property has some unique characteristics that an
argument can be made that some of the standards are met. He would have a concern about
the public interest. There are a lot of open questions. Mr. Buikema felt that this should be
denied based on that.
Mr. Carter stated there has been reluctance in the past to grant variances for pools. He
is struggling with whether the unnecessary concept has been addressed. He is also concerned
with public input from the neighbors.
Mr. Bublitz felt that he doesn’t believe the DNR regulations and the Bureau of Watershed
Management regulations are relevant to this decision. It should be a separate issue addressed
with the DNR. He believes the purpose of the zoning ordinance is to avoid pools being placed
too close to adjoining property owners. He doesn’t think that is the case here. There is a very
large wetland behind the property. He doesn’t think it would affect any other properties in the
neighborhood. He felt that the neighbor that filed the objection would be affected minimally.
He doesn’t think there can be an expectation that you can prevent someone doing something
on their property that would create noise or other issues that might bother you. He doesn’t feel
this violates the purpose of the Statute or has a significant effect on the neighborhood or the
public interest in any way. It is a relatively nominal request. The property itself is relatively
unique and that it only has a 34’ backyard.
Mr. Rozmus agreed with uniqueness. The property meets land area requirements, but
the configuration of the property becomes difficult and a hardship. An effort has been made to
meet those elements in the Zoning Code. His view in seeing the area to the rear of the
property is not in a floodplain. It’s in an area called a floodfringe which is the edge. He is
certain that area gets water at times but it’s not an inhibiting factor for the pool or the highland
that’s involved adjacent to that floodfringe. He thinks an effort can be made to screen this with
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landscaping that would make it more isolated from the neighbor. It’s not a poor quality
situation, and doesn’t feel it would have a detrimental effect on any adjoining property.
Mr. DeGuire stated installing a pool is a permitted purpose under the Code. He agrees
there are some property limitations, as well as public interest. He felt the purpose of the Code
is to not have a pool close to the neighbor’s property. He can understand the concerns of the
neighbor’s, though.
Mr. Rozmus heard from the applicants that they could shift the pool 2 or 3 feet. He
would like a small concession. It was stated he can come 2-1/2’ to 3’ closer to the porch. Mr.
Goudy replied there is no offset from the building.
Mr. Reinders said if the pool was being considered on the South side, it would be a lot
less of an issue. The North end is the tightest. It would pull it away from his mother’s sunroom
and deck. The further North and West it goes, the pool becomes a bigger issue for his mother.
His mother wouldn’t have a complaint if the pool was moved more to the South. Mr. Linnert
didn’t feel his neighbor’s site line was compromised. It could only be moved a couple of feet.
It wouldn’t work for them. There are sidewalks and odd elevations on the South part of the
property.
• Kevin Bublitz moved to approve the variance given the unique nature of the property,
and the compliance of the purpose of the zoning code. He would be open to specifying that
there be some type of vegetation be planted on the North for screening, permanent
landscaping involving evergreens along the property line to help screen the pool, moving it 2’ to
the South would be a good gesture (providing the grades in the yard work with that). The
motion was seconded by Gordon Rozmus and carried Ayes 3, No’s 2 with Rod Carter and Rod
Buikema voting no.
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3b. Trader Joes, 12665 W. Bluemound Rd.: Sign
The next item on the agenda was the request of Trader Joes, LOT 1 OF CSM #11025 a
DIVISION OF LOT 2 OF PLAT OF UNDERWOOD CROSSING SUBD. BEING A PART OF NE ¼ &
NW ¼ OF SE ¼ OF SECTION 25 T7N R20E, to appeal Section 15.16.220 C.4 to permit
installation of a sign at 12665 W. Bluemound Road. The proposed sign would exceed the
allowable number of signs for the tenant space.
Mr. Goudy stated this would be on the South wall of their building. The Code states that
either two wall signs or one wall sign and one monument sign is permitted. This Planned
Development District (PDD) project is called Underwood Crossing. It allowed Trader Joes to be
included on the main identification sign for the center. They were also granted a monument
sign in the front of their store and two wall signs (one is facing Bluemound and the other faces
West). The third proposed sign is facing South toward the Target parking lot. It goes beyond
the allowable number of signs per the PDD ordinance and what the Sign Code allows. The sign
would only be visible from the Target/Children’s Hospital parking lot. Target has included a
letter in the packet that is in support of this. No other documents for or against have been
received
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Mr. Buikema asked if all the signs combined exceeds the size limits. Mr. Goudy replied
they are beyond the typical square footage of signage, but they were approved to be beyond
the typical amount when the PDD ordinance was approved.
Mr. Bublitz reviewed the standards for granting a sign variance. Valeria DeMundo,
representative for Trader Joes, and Angela Delugi, Bauer Sign and Lighting, appeared before
the Board. The proposed sign would bring business recognition from the South to help direct
customers into the lot and also to attract new customers.
Mr. Bublitz stated he visited the property and there is a frontage road. Mr. Rozmus
thought there was very good signage there now. It was agreed that there were signs
everywhere but on the south side. Once you are at Target, you can’t identify the building. Mr.
Rozmus noticed that on the frontage road on the East side, there are scrub trees that are
obscuring the current sign on the front of the building as well. They are very close to the
street. Ms. DeMundo didn’t feel that was their property. The proposed sign would be similar
to what is there now. The sign would be LED illuminated.
Mr. Buikema asked if she has heard that people have found difficulties finding the store.
Ms. DeMundo replied not really. It would be more for business enhancement.
Mr. Goudy explained that the PDD ordinance was created for Ryan Companies (Target).
Target didn’t care about having a large number of signs, but more for having a huge sign.
Target received their typical Target logo on the building (big) and the very large main
identification sign in front. At the same time, it was known that there would be outbuildings.
The PDD ordinance allowed for additional signage. It was allowed for each of those building in
front to have their own monument sign. Trader Joes have already received more signage than
a typical Brookfield location.
Mr. Bublitz stated that looking at the standards, he didn’t feel there would be an undue
concentration of signage. There is no signage at the South side of the building. It wouldn’t
render it difficult or confusing to the existing signs. The appearance of the sign is of adequate
design and style.
Mr. Rozmus remembered that when Chick-fil-A on Moorland Road was approved for a
variance, there was a question of them putting a sign in the back of their building. That was
not approved. The distances between that building and the other buildings on Brookfield
Square are much closer than this. Mr. Buikema felt it was slightly different. We looked at all
of Chick-fil-A’s signs which was in the Board’s purview. These signs at Target are not really in
the Board’s purview. This is a new request. Mr. Buikema asked was this additional request
asked for in the original request. Mr. Goudy replied it was not asked for in the original request.
• Gordon Rozmus moved to approve the sign variance based upon it meets the standards.
It falls within the criteria we can grant under the provisions of the Code, not to exceed the size
of the existing signs. The motion was seconded by Kevin Bublitz and carried Ayes 3-No’s 2 with
Rod Carter and Frank DeGuire voting no.
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3c. Starbucks, 12400 W. Capitol Dr.: Sign
The next item was the request of Starbucks Coffee, Lot 7 Blk 17, Exc N68 ft. of E 143 ft.
and W 87 ft. of S 140 ft. and W65 ft. of N 68 ft. Acre Home Fields Assessment Map 6 3 ½ sec.
1 T7N R20E, to appeal Section 15.16.220 C.4. to permit installation of a sign at 12400 W.
Capitol Drive. The proposed sign exceeds the allowable number of signs for the tenant space.
Joy Gabellos, Hilton Displays, appeared before the Board and represents Starbucks.
Mr. Goudy stated this is a request for a third sign at Starbucks for a brand new
construction building. At the last Plan Review Board meeting, the Board approved the
monument sign at the corner for the site. It is a two tenant site. Starbucks is located on the
Western side of the building (with a drive-thru). The monument sign will face the intersection.
Normally, they are allowed a monument sign and a single wall sign OR two wall signs and no
monument sign. The applicant has opted to be included on the monument sign, so they are
allowed to have one wall sign which is placed on the South wall elevation. They are requesting
a secondary sign on the West side. No letters or comments were received from neighboring
businesses. However, he anticipates Stanton Optical coming in to appeal their own signage
based on the decision this evening. He felt their additional sign request would be on the East
elevation.
It was asked if the Starbucks across the street would be closing. It was replied, yes, the
Starbucks in Wauwatosa would be closing as they don’t have a drive-thru at that location.
Mr. Rozmus stated that there isn’t a “Starbucks” script on the sign and asked if that
would be added. Ms. Gabellos replied, no, the logo is well known and effective. “Drive-thru”
would be underneath it. It is also less square footage. The front logo is a little bit difficult to
see when driving by it.
Mr. Buikema stated there are multiple buildings there. Capitol Drive is a high traffic
area. There are safety and traffic issues there as well. He didn’t feel there would be an
overabundance of signage there.
• Kevin Buikema moved approval of the sign variance because it won’t result in undue
concentration of signage or render it difficult or confusing to read an existing sign. Additional
signage will help the public there. The motion was seconded by Rod Carter and carried
unanimously.
Mr. Goudy asked the Board if they felt the same opinion with the other tenant (Stanton
Optical) if they asked for more signage. They will request an additional sign on the East
elevation. The Board felt that the request had to be seen first.
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• Frank DeGuire moved to adjourn. Seconded by Gordon Rozmus and carried
unanimously. Meeting ended at 8:30 p.m.
Minutes submitted by Renee J. Tadych, Deputy City Clerk.
Agenda
OFFICIAL NOTICE AND AGENDA
Notice is hereby given that a public meeting will be held on the date, time and location shown below. Upon attaining a
quorum of members, only items listed on the agenda shown below will be considered.
[4] Members Physically Present to meet Quorum Requirements
Meeting: Board of Zoning Appeals
Date & Time: Thursday, October 12, 2017 @ 7:00 pm
Location: Council Chambers, City Hall, 2000 North Calhoun Rd, Brookfield
Members: Kevin Bublitz, Chairman; Robert Buikema; Frank DeGuire; Rodney Carter; Gordon
Rozmus; Ald. Ron Balzer (alt.); Ald. Lisa Mellone (alt.)
1. Roll Call
2. New Business
a. Approval of September 14, 2017 Board of Zoning Appeals meeting minutes.
3. The following requests for building and sign permit have been submitted to the City of Brookfield and
have been denied by the Zoning & Building Administrator because they did not comply with the Zoning, Building
or Sign Code of the City of Brookfield. There will be a Public Hearing held on October 12, 2017, at 7:00 P.M. at the
Common Council Chambers and the Board of Zoning Appeals will thereafter consider the following request for
variance. Please note that following the public hearing(s), the Board intends to take action by considering the
request(s) indicated:
a. The request of Ken & Susan Levitt, LOT 31 & 1/62 UNDIV FRAC INT OUTLOT 1
MUIRWOOD NE1/4 SEC 8 T7N R20E, to appeal section 15.04.330 C to permit installation of
a swimming pool and fence which is too close to the lot line at 3415 Muirwood Dr. The proposed pool is
located 15’ from back property line where 25’ is the minimum offset.
b. The request of Trader Joes LOT 1 OF CSM #11025 A DIVISION OF LOT 2 OF PLAT
OF UNDERWOOD CROSSING SUB. BEING A PART OF NE1/4 & NW1/4 OF
SE1/4 OF SEC 25 T7N R20E, to appeal section 15.16.220 C 4 to permit installation of a sign at
12665 W. Bluemound Rd. The proposed sign would exceed the allowable number of signs for the tenant
space.
c. The request of Starbucks coffee, Lot 7 Blk 17 Exc N68 ft. of E 143 ft. and W87 ft. of
S140 ft. and W65 ft. of N68 ft. Acre Home Fields Assessment Map 6 3 1/2
sec. 1 T7N R20E, to appeal section 15.16.220 C 4 to permit installation of a sign at 12400 W. Capitol
Dr. The proposed sign package exceeds the allowable number of signs for the tenant space.
4. Adjournment
Larry Goudy
Zoning & Building Administrator
Date/Time Notice Posted: 8/24/17 9:00 a.m.
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