Historic District Commission
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · February 9, 2021
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes
Chair David Schwartz Duncan Lascelles
Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Nancy McCormick
Madhu Beriwal Polly Van de Velde
Josh Gurlitz
Tuesday, February 9, 2021 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting
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Opening
Roll Call
Staff present: Anya Grahn, Liaison to Commission, Jake Lowman, Planning
Department, Brian Ferrell, Counsel to Commission
Present 6 - Chair David Schwartz, Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Josh
Gurlitz, Duncan Lascelles, Nancy McCormick, and Polly Van
de Velde
Absent 1 - Madhu Beriwal
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
The Commission considered moving the Design Guidelines to the beginning of the
meeting. They decided to limit public comment to three minutes per person, and the
Commission did not want to discuss items that had already been decided. A motion
was made by McCormick, seconded my Murphy, to move the Item #7 Historic
District Design Standards Update to the beginning of the agenda. The motion
passed with a vote of 5-1.
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Aye: 5 - Chair David Schwartz, Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy,
Duncan Lascelles, Nancy McCormick, and Polly Van de Velde
Nay: 1 - Josh Gurlitz
Announcements
Commissioner Lascelles stated that he would recuse himself for Item #6, 709 E.
Rosemary Street, in order to provide comments as a member of the public.
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
Historic District Design Standards Update
7. Historic District Design Standards Update [21-0073]
The Commission asked for public comment.
Randall Lanou discussed using the Design Guidelines project to improve the
Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) process. He advocated that the updated
Design Standards follow the state legislation to focus solely on congruity with
the special character of the district. He found the draft Design Standards to be
cumbersome as it has a lot of information not related to the COA application
review requirements. He thought the document needed to be more concise to
reduce confusion among stakeholders, including commissioners and
applicants. He spoke of the unpredictability of the COA process and Historic
District Commission.
Kimberly Kyser supported Chair Schwartz's recommended edits. She
believed some photographs and staff responses to Commissioners' individual
edits were inaccurate. She found the historic character of the historic districts
to be defined by historic structures and patterns of development. She spoke
to the mission of the Historic District Commission in protecting the historic
character of the districts and the challenge of accommodating new
developments.
Commissioner Van de Velde lost connection from approximately 6:54PM to
6:57PM.
Susan Smith questioned staff's responses to Commissioners' edits as she
believed the Commission had the final authority on the draft document. She
found that staff's comments contradicted the Commission's charge. She
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argued that the purpose of the Design Standards was to protect the historic
character of the district.
Chair Schwartz pointed out that there could be changes to those items that
were approved at the January 28, 2020 meeting. Murphy supported taking
action on the summary table provided by staff that addressed which changes
should be incorporated into the Design Standards. He found the document to
be consistent with the discussions and Commission's agreement to only make
minor changes to the document.
McCormick advocated that the maintenance section of the narratives be
moved to the end of the specific standards. She explained that the standards
were what was enforceable and required. Maintenance was another issue.
Gurlitz supported Schwartz's recommended edits on page 13 stating that all
members of the public are welcome to present sworn testimony during a
hearing. He believed this should be prioritized over the explanation of
standing as he did not want to discourage public participation.
Lascelles had reviewed the history, various drafts, and evaluations. He found
the current draft to be carefully and clearly written. He agreed with Murphy to
accept the revisions as proposed by staff.
Van de Velde agreed. She clarified that the Historic District Commission
(HDC) did not have the same authority as the Community Design Commission
(CDC) as the CDC had the ability to regulate paint color. She thought the
sections on maintenance and repair were helpful to residents.
Schwartz reviewed his proposed edits to the document as outlined in the
summary table. The Commission discussed stating that the Design
Standards are more restrictive than the Land Use Management Ordinance
(LUMO). They considered Schwartz's recommendation to site new buildings
so that they did not project either to the front or rear of neighboring historic
buildings, and they discussed traditional development patterns of constructing
additions to side and rear elevations of historic houses. Gurlitz and
McCormick summarized the Design Guideline Committee's discussions on
the treatment of side and rear yards as well as corner lots. The Commission
considered adding language about overlay districts and the proposed edits to
the section on hearings.
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A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Van de Velde, to approve the
edits to the draft Design Standards as provided in staff's summary table. The
motion passed with a vote of 4-2.
Aye: 4 - Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Duncan Lascelles, Nancy
McCormick, and Polly Van de Velde
Nay: 2 - Chair David Schwartz, and Josh Gurlitz
Historic District Candidate Interviews
1. Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews [21-0067]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that during the meeting she had received an
email that Springer was no longer interested in serving on the Historic District
Commission. Staff explained that the HDC had forwarded a recommendation
to Town Council for the appointment of Anne Perl de Pal and that Cathy
Brigham, the other candidate under consideration, had also withdrawn her
application to pursue other volunteer opportunities.
Information Item
2. 370 Glandon Drive [21-0068]
Grahn explained that the HDC had reviewed and approved an after-the-fact
COA for field changes at 370 Glandon Road at the December meeting. Due
to concerns raised by the neighbor, the HDC had requested that staff
investigate additional work that may have been completed without a COA.
Staff reviewed the neighbor's concerns and found that the project complied
with the COA and zoning approvals. The Certificate of Occupancy was
issued and the application was closed.
Consent Agenda
3. 206 Spring Lane [21-0069]
Grahn explained that the Commission had approved a COA for a second story
addition at this location in January 2020. The applicant proposed to modify
the window configuration on that addition. A motion was made by Van de
Velde, seconded by Gurlitz, to approve the Certificate of Appropriateness.
The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
New Business
4. 3 Mint Springs Lane [21-0070]
Grahn stated that the applicant proposed to construct a new six foot tall stone
retaining wall adjacent to the house. She explained that staff had worked with
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the applicant to clarify the repaving of the driveway and work on the existing
retaining walls was repair and maintenance not requiring HDC approval.
Chase Pickett, contractor, described the history of the property and the
location of existing stone walls. He explained that the garage had been
converted to living space, and the garage door had been replaced by a
window. He provided photos showing the stone wall bowing due to the weight
of the soil and its age. He presented plans for changing the angle of the wall,
constructing stairs with a handrail, improving the entrance into the basement,
and providing space for garbage cans. Pickett stated that the improvements
would address the structural issues while contributing to the livability of the
house.
A motion was made by Van de Velde, seconded by Gurlitz, to approve the
Certificate of Appropriateness. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
5. 211 Hillsborough Street [21-0071]
Grahn stated that the applicant proposed to renovate the c.1919 house,
construct a new basement addition, enclose a side porch, and make site
improvements.
Kevin Clark, architect, reviewed the history of the house and later
non-contributing additions. He explained that the homeowner had discovered
plans from the 1950s for changes similar to the current proposal. He pointed
out that the facade from Hillsborough Street would remain largely unchanged
as the addition would be at the side and back of the house. He described
how the screened porch addition mimicked the design of the current side
porch. The proposal would incorporate materials already used on the house,
though a metal roof was proposed on the side porch.
The Commission discussed the improvements. They discussed the
construction of a new chimney directly adjacent to an existing chimney on the
north side of the house. They considered the louvered openings of the
basement addition to allow air circulation into the storage space beneath the
deck.
A motion was made by McCormick, seconded by Van de Velde to approve the
Certificate of Appropriateness. The motion carried with a unanimous vote.
6. 709 E. Rosemary Street [21-0072]
Commissioner Lascelles recused himself.
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Ferrell clarified that Lascelles's recusal did not defeat quorum or the majority
voting requirement. He explained that the Commission would need a vote of
four to take action. He stated that it was not permissible for members of the
Commission to discuss applications outside of the hearing without disclosing it
to the commission and voting on these applications. He explained that
Lascelles would not be able to participate in any matter related to the
Commission's discussion and voting, though he could provide comment as a
witness.
Charles Nunn, applicant presented plans to enclose a back porch on the rear
elevation and construct a new garden shed. He discussed that the HDC had
approved a garage on this site in 2017; however, the application had expired
and he now preferred a garden shed.
The Commission discussed the proposed improvements and that the site was
not contributing to the National Register of Historic Places.
Duncan Lascelles, neighbor, explained that his house and shed was on the lot
line. He found that the proposed placement of the new shed would create an
unusual cluster of buildings that were not consistent with the historic district.
He believed that the proximity of the buildings created a massing effect that
compromised the open feel of the historic district. He suggested that the shed
be relocated further from the property line.
Nunn described the adjustments to the design that were made to address the
neighbors' concerns regarding rainwater runoff. He spoke to Lascelles's
concerns over the size and placement of the shed. He explained that he had
considered alternative locations but the proposed location was preferred. He
described the need for storage.
The Commission discussed the placement of the shed. They considered
whether the applicant should apply for a variance application in order to
construct the shed within the lot setbacks, similar to the placement of other
accessory buildings that were built on side and rear lot lines. Commissioners
spoke of their inability to regulate impacts of development on neighboring
properties. They found that the proposed location of the shed was congruous
with the location of sheds on the same block and within in the district.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by McCormick to approve the
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Certificate of Appropriateness. The motion carried with a unanimous vote.
8. Text Amendments to Land Use Management Ordinance Section [21-0074]
3.6.2(e)(4) and Section 8.4
Grahn explained that staff proposed to amend the Land Use Management
Ordiance (LUMO) by eliminating the A through J review criteria outlined in
LUMO 3.6.2(e)(4) and requiring compliance with the Design Principles and
Standards. She pointed out that references to the Design Guidelines would
be updated to read "Design Principles and Standards" in LUMO 3.6.2 and
8.4.6.
The Commission discussed the confusion caused by having both the Design
Guidelines and the A through J criteria to evaluate COA applications and to
determine congruity. Schwartz said that the A through J criteria had been
developed prior to the adoption of the Design Guidelines to provide a basis
for reviewing COA applications. Many found the wording in LUMO 3.6.2 was
not concise. They considered the language of the State's Model Ordinance
regarding Design Standards. They recommended replacing 3.6.2(e)(1) and
(3) with the language provided in the Model Ordinance.
A motion was made by Gurlitz, seconded by Lascelles, to forward a positive
recommendation to the Town Council for the adoption of the LUMO
amendments as amended to include the replacement of LUMO 3.6.2(e)(1)
and (2) with the language from the State Model Ordinance. The motion
carried by a unanimous vote.
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Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The
Body asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous
manner, both with the Body and with fellow members of the public.
Should any member of the Body or any member of the public fail to
observe this charge at any time, the Chair will ask the offending
person to leave the meeting until that individual regains personal
control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will recess the
meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on
the above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards
for background information on this Board.
Note
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Chair David Schwartz Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Angela Stiefbold Duncan Lascelles
Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Nancy McCormick
Madhu Beriwal Polly Van de Velde
Tuesday, February 9, 2021 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting
Virtual Meeting Notification
Opening
Roll Call
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
Announcements
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
Historic District Candidate Interviews
1. Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews [21-0067]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Candidate Applications
Information Item
2. 370 Glandon Drive [21-0068]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Consent Agenda
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3. 206 Spring Lane [21-0069]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
New Business
4. 3 Mint Springs Lane [21-0070]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
5. 211 Hillsborough Street [21-0071]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
6. 709 E. Rosemary Street [21-0072]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
7. Historic District Design Standards Update [21-0073]
Attachments: Staff Memo
8. Text Amendments to Land Use Management [21-0074]
Ordinance Section 3.6.2(e)(4) and Section 8.4
Attachments: Staff Memo
Resolution A
Ordinance A
Resolution B
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Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The Body
asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous manner, both
with the Body and with fellow members of the public. Should any member of the
Body or any member of the public fail to observe this charge at any time, the
Chair will ask the offending person to leave the meeting until that individual
regains personal control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will
recess the meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on the
above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards for
background information on this Board.
http://www.townofchapelhill.org Page 3 of 3 Printed on 1/26/2021
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