Historic District Commission
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · May 13, 2021
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes
Chair David Schwartz Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles Nancy McCormick
Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Anne Perl De Pal
Brian Daniels Polly Van de Velde
Thursday, May 13, 2021 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting
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Opening
Roll Call
Staff present: Anya Grahn, Staff Liaison to Commission.
Present 7 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles, Deputy
Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Josh Gurlitz, Nancy McCormick,
Anne Perl De Pal , and Polly Van de Velde
Excused 1 - Brian Daniels
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
A motion was made by McCormick, seconded by Gurlitz, that the agenda be
approved. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Announcements
Grahn announced that the Land Use Management Ordinance (LUMO) text
amendments for removal of A-J criteria passed. She also clarified the recent
appointments Council made to the Commission.
Petitions
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Approval of Minutes
1. April 13, 2021 Meeting Minutes [21-0371]
A motion was made by McCormick, seconded by Deputy Vice-Chair Murphy,
to approve the April 13, 2021 meeting minutes. The motion carried by a
unanimous vote.
Old Business
2. 201 E. Rosemary Street [21-0269]
Grahn explained that this item was heard by the Commission at their April 13,
2021 meeting. The applicant had worked with staff to revise the application
based on the feedback received from the Commission.
Ryan Spurrier, applicant, explained scope of the project and presented
historic photos of the United Methodist Church. Spurrier pointed out changes
that had occurred in the building’s history, and he presented photos from
1973 depicting the building’s use as an architect's office. He stated that the
building and site had undergone many changes from early the 20th century to
the 2000s.
Spurrier presented an updated design for the proposed ADA ramp and
discussed the challenges of the existing ramp due to the interior programming.
He provided photos of the southeast corner of the building showing the front
steps and access to alleyway. Spurrier explained that he met with Inspections
staff to discuss ADA requirements for the ramp and he described building
code requirements for ADA ramp construction. He clarified that architectural
drawings would not be required for a Town building permit as Inspections
would accept sketches and drawings. He provided photos of the building and
described the challenges of building the ADA ramp due to the elevation of the
first floor of the building, slope of the front yard, and the building code
requirements. He described his efforts to design an ADA ramp that would not
require handrails; however, this was not achievable due to the site constraints
and he instead proposed to paint the ADA ramp’s railing a dark color to
minimize its visibility. He showed how the existing landscaping would shield
the visibility of the ADA ramp, and he discussed theramp's compliance with
the Design Standards.
Spurrier presented plans and photos of the building’s front entrance. He
explained that the existing double doors need to be replaced with a single
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40-inch door in order to install an ADA opener. The new wood-paneled door
would be similar in design to those found in the historic districts, and Spurrier
provided examples of the Church’s sister building, the historic Playmaker's
Theatre, with a similar single-paneled wood door to meet ADA access. The
applicant expressed a willingness to store the existing 30 year-old double
doors on-site for future use. The applicant explained that there is no change
in the proposed designs of the identification sign on the door or mail slot and
he presented a picture from c.2006 showing a similar identification sign.
The applicant presented photos showing how the proposed cantilevered sign
mimics similar signs that existed on site in 1973 and 2006. He explained his
proposal to reintroduce a similar cantelievered wood sign and discussed its
compliance with the Design Standards.
The Commission complimented the applicant on the improved cantilevered
sign and ADA ramp designs. They supported the steps the applicant took to
minimize the visibility of the ADA ramp and improve the building’s accessibility.
They discussed the temporary nature of the ramp to meet the needs of the
current building tenant.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Gurlitz, to approve the
Certificate of Appropriateness with the condition that the applicant paint the
ADA ramp’s handrails a dark color, so it blends in with the landscaping. The
motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Aye: 7 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles, Deputy
Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Josh Gurlitz, Nancy McCormick,
Anne Perl De Pal , and Polly Van de Velde
New Business
3. 510 Hooper Lane [21-0372]
Staff Liaison Grahn explained this item was an After-the-Fact Certificate of
Appropriateness (COA). She explained that the applicant is working on
addressing some drainage issues on the site. Grahn summarized that the
applicant proposed to construct Chapel Hill grit and permeable paver
pathways, a retaining wall, and some updates to the house.
Kim Levell, owner and applicant, summarized water damage to the house,
including a collapsed foundation wall and mold growth, due to the amount of
water the house absorbs. She described that neighboring properties sloped
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downhill to this site and her intent to mitigate water infiltration. She presented
photos and explained how the foundation of the house was supported by a
rock on the northwest corner of the building and clay soils. She discussed the
challenges of clay when it remains wet. Levell also described water damage
to the house due to poor drainage.
The applicant provided photos and surveys to show the relationship of the
site to its neighbors and the site’s existing conditions prior to the start of
construction. Levell explained her plans to install hardscaping and a retaining
wall that would help with drainage. She presented renderings and proposed
landscaping to make the yard feel more natural. She also provided photos of
neighboring buildings and described how these influenced her material
choices for her brick stairs and driveway. She explained how her material
choices were consistent with those found in the Historic District.
Levell explained the damage to the historic building materials due to the water
infiltration. She proposed coating the brick with a limestone wash to protect
the house from water infiltration. She described the topography of the lot and
nearby lots and explained how regrading the site would improve drainage on
the property. She provided photos of the basement to demonstrate water
damage, and she explained steps past property owners had taken to mitigate
the water such as stacked stone and concrete walls used to stabilize the
foundation, sump pumps, and mortar repairs. She stated that UNC had used
stucco and limestone coatings on their brick buildings to seal the bricks and
prevent water damage.
Levell presented dimensioned drawings of the proposed landscape plan. She
described how walkways would serve as open drains to move water away
from the house. She presented elevations drawings of the retaining wall and
described the construction of the wall. She described the use of stucco to
coat the retaining wall so that it can be accessed for maintenance and the
stucco would indicate when the wall was failing. Levell also indicated her
plans to replace the roofing material, gutters, and lighting fixtures on the
house.
The Commission expressed concern that some of the work had already been
completed on the project prior to the applicant receiving a COA. The
applicant clarified the work that already had been completed and the work
that was proposed but not yet completed. The Commission clarified with the
applicant the details of regrading of the site, the brick border along the
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driveway, and the retaining wall. Levell discussed the need to paint the
house to seal the brick and her intent to remove the storm windows to restore
the wood windows. The Commission reiterated the need for applicants to
comply with the Design Principles & Standards and follow the COA process.
Levell reiterated her need to make repairs to the house due to the collapsed
foundation wall, mold, and other water damage to the house. The
Commission recognized the need to address drainage but reminded the
applicant that the Commission could not approve improvements that were not
consistent with the Design Principles & Standards. They discussed whether
temporary remediation work could have been completed to address the
collapsed wall while the applicant went through the COA process; the
applicant said there was no time for the process due to the gravity of the
situation once the wall collapsed.The Commission discussed the changes that
were made and their consistency with the Design Principles and Standards.
Chair Schwartz disclosed that a member of the public had sent an email to
him and Staff Liaison Grahn with questions about the item, but he did not
respond to the email or read it with the intent to influence his decision. Ferrell
discussed the importance of disclosing this information, and Commissioners
McCormick, Perl de Pal, Van de Velde, Murphy, and Gurlitz stated they had
passed by the site. Ferrell reiterated the responsibilities of the Commission.
Ferrell stated that the ultimate goal of the Commission is to review the COA
application and make findings of fact as to whether the project is congruous
with special character of the district. He explained that this is done by
reviewing the project for compliance with Design Standards. Ferrell stated
that it is important to consistently apply the Design Standards. Decisions not
based on application of congruity standards and design standards, become
arbitrary. The Commission deliberated on the challenges of reviewing
after-the-fact COAs.
Susan Smith, community member, pointed out a discrepancy in the staff report
and information about the house’s construction date. She stated that water
damage did not exempt the applicant from the COA process or HDC review.
Levell and Smith discussed Levell’s proposal to redirect drainage and address
water damage. Smith advocated that material choices be consistent with the
Historic District and she believed that there was a way to address both the
drainage issues and comply with the Design Standards.
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Chair Schwartz moved to deliberate on the application with the
Commissioners. Ferrell reiterated the responsibilities of the Commission.
Commissioners discussed the scope of work and its compliance with the
Design Standards.
The Commission discussed the need for additional information from the
applicant. They requested additional detail about the height and materials of
the new retaining wall and the removal of a fieldstone wall along the front of
the property. They asked for clarity regarding the restoration of the wood
windows. They also requested the applicant provide a rendering for the front
stoop’s railing and a photo of the existing railing. The Commission had an
interest in seeing more photos of the property prior to the start of construction.
The applicant explained the urgency of addressing water damage. The
Commission found agreement on the roof and gutter replacement.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Van de Velde, to approve the
replacement of the asphalt shingles in-kind and install new gutters around the
perimeter of the house. The motion passed with a unanimous vote.
The Commission continued the discussion to the June 10, 2021 meeting.
Aye: 7 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles, Deputy
Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Josh Gurlitz, Nancy McCormick,
Anne Perl De Pal , and Polly Van de Velde
4. Revisions to Historic District Commission Rules of Procedure [21-0373]
The Commission continued the item to the June 10, 2021 meeting.
Historic District Design Principles & Standards
5. Historic District Design Principles & Standards [21-0271]
The Commission continued the item to the June 10, 2021 meeting and
requested that it be placed first on the agenda.
Adjournment
Next Meeting - June 8, 2021
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Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The
Body asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous
manner, both with the Body and with fellow members of the public.
Should any member of the Body or any member of the public fail to
observe this charge at any time, the Chair will ask the offending
person to leave the meeting until that individual regains personal
control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will recess the
meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on
the above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards
for background information on this Board.
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Chair David Schwartz Nancy McCormick
Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles Anne Perl De Pal
Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Polly Van de Velde
Josh Gurlitz
Thursday, May 13, 2021 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting
Virtual Meeting Notification
Opening
Roll Call
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
Announcements
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
1. April 13, 2021 Meeting Minutes [21-0371]
Attachments: April 13, 2021 Draft Meeting Minutes
Old Business
2. 201 E. Rosemary Street [21-0269]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
Addendum to Application Materials
New Business
3. 510 Hooper Lane [21-0372]
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Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
4. Revisions to Historic District Commission Rules of [21-0373]
Procedure
Attachments: Staff Memo
Proposed edits to the Rules of Procedure
Historic District Design Principles & Standards
5. Historic District Design Principles & Standards [21-0271]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Commissioner Josh Gurlitz Edits
Commissioner Nancy McCormick Edits
Chair David Schwartz Edits
Adjournment
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Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The Body
asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous manner, both
with the Body and with fellow members of the public. Should any member of the
Body or any member of the public fail to observe this charge at any time, the
Chair will ask the offending person to leave the meeting until that individual
regains personal control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will
recess the meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on the
above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards for
background information on this Board.
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