Historic District Commission
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · May 14, 2024
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes
Chair Brian Daniels Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde Duncan Lascelles
Deputy Vice-Chair Nancy McCormick Clarke Martin
Michael Booth David Schwartz
Tuesday, May 14, 2024 6:30 PM RM 110 | Council Chamber
Language Access Statement
Opening
Roll Call
Anya Grahn-Federmack, Staff Liaison, Charnika Harrell, Staff Liaison, Kevin
Hornik, Counsel to the Commission
Present 6 - Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde, Deputy Vice-Chair Nancy
McCormick, Michael Booth, Josh Gurlitz, Clarke Martin,
and David Schwartz
Absent 2 - Chair Brian Daniels , and Duncan Lascelles
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Commission Chair reads the Public Charge
Approval of Agenda
Commissioner McCormick moved, seconded by Gurlitz, to approve the agenda. The
motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Aye: 6 - Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde, Deputy Vice-Chair Nancy
McCormick, Michael Booth, Josh Gurlitz, Clarke Martin, and
David Schwartz
Absent: 2 - Chair Brian Daniels , and Duncan Lascelles
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Announcements
Grahn-Federmack informed commissioners that a special meeting will be scheduled
on June 11th to vote on the night’s written decisions.
Commissioner Schwartz mentioned that it was his second to last meeting. He also
mentioned he would share a memo by Bob Epting with the commission.
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
1. February 29, 2024 HDC Retreat Action Minutes [24-0245]
2. March 12, 2024 Action Minutes [24-0246]
3. March 25, 2024 Special Meeting Action Minutes [24-0247]
Commissioner McCormick moved, seconded by Booth, to approve the
February 29, 2024 retreat minutes, the March 12, 2024 meeting minutes, and
the March 25, 2024 special meeting minutes. The motion carried by a
unanimous vote.
Aye: 6 - Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde, Deputy Vice-Chair Nancy
McCormick, Michael Booth, Josh Gurlitz, Clarke Martin, and
David Schwartz
Absent: 2 - Chair Brian Daniels , and Duncan Lascelles
Information
4. Administrative Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) Approvals & [24-0248]
Maintenance Memos
Commissioner Schwartz expressed interest in understanding if owners were
aware of Certificate of Appropriateness requirements for after-the-fact items.
New Business
5. 118 Cameron Court [24-0249]
Melissa Brumback, the property owner, explained that the application was to
extend the parking area in the front yard, so it could accommodate five
spaces. She said they would build planter beds along the perimeter of the
parking area to prevent spillover.
Brumback recalled first going before the Historic District Commission in 2002
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when the house was constructed. She explained that the house was built on
land that was originally part of 428 W. Cameron Avenue before it was
subdivided. She presented a site plan that she said was shown to the
commission at that time. She explained that the commission’s approval
included two parking spaces in a gravel parking area at the corner of the lot
that was bordered by railroad ties. She explained that when they applied for
the building permit, the parking area was properly measured and shown to
accommodate three spaces. She said the house was completed in 2007.
Initially, the front yard was mulch; however, Brumback stated the residents
were parking in the mulched area, which caused the mulch to spill onto the
road. She said the mulch was replaced with gravel and it had been that way
since 2008.
Brumback said they recently received a violation for the front yard parking,
and that it was an opportunity to improve its appearance. She presented a
site plan of the updated parking area. She explained that the plans showed
five spaces separate by a new walkway with raised landscape beds around
the parking area.
Brumback presented photos of parking areas at other houses on Cameron
Court to demonstrate that her proposal was not incongruent with the
character of the neighborhood. She explained that the updated parking area
would use pressure-treated lumber for the edging and a Delaware blend
round stone for the parking areas. She mentioned that the edging and planter
beds would prevent illegal parking.
Commissioner McCormick asked Brumback to clarify what she meant by
illegal parking. Brumback said she didn’t know if it was illegal, but that the
parking area was out compliance.
McCormick asked if the updated parking plan complied with zoning
requirements. Brumback said the original plan showed parking on one side of
the front yard. She also said that staff informed her that the commission
needed to approve the expansion to maintain the five spaces.
McCormick said that the entire court seemed to violate basic standards of the
Cameron-McCauley district. She said that parking in the front yard was not a
character of the district.
Commissioner Schwartz commented that the photos showed what happened
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when single-family homes were converted to student rentals.
Brumback referred to a part of the Design Standards that said sub-areas of
the districts could have distinguished characteristics. She also said the house
was not a contributing structure, and that she thought the proposal would
enhance the parking area and benefit this part of the district.
There was no public comment.
Commissioner Gurlitz mentioned that the pictures seemed to show 100
percent of front yards in the neighborhood being used for parking. He
mentioned a zoning requirement that limited front yard parking and asked if a
zoning officer had visited the area.
Anya Grahn-Federmack, staff liaison, confirmed that code enforcement
officers had been to the neighborhood and notices of violation were issued for
properties with parking violations. She also confirmed that the Land Use
Management Ordinance (LUMO) limited front yard parking to 40 percent.
Gurlitz asked if some of the parking spaces were rented since some of the
properties had several cars. Grahn-Federmack confirmed the town has
regulations about renting parking spaces, but staff needed proof that owners
were operating a parking lot in their front yard before they could issue a
Notice of Violation.
Commissioner Booth mentioned a parking issue he experienced in his
neighborhood. Commissioner Martin asked the commission to redirect the
discussion to the application before them.
Chair van de Velde asked if the original parking area for two spaces was
approved. Brumback said that additional spaces were needed because four
residents occupied the house.
Commissioner Schwartz moved, seconded by Martin, that the application was
not incongruous with the special character of the district. The motion carried
by a vote of five to one.
Aye: 5 - Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde, Michael Booth, Josh Gurlitz,
Clarke Martin, and David Schwartz
Nay: 1 - Deputy Vice-Chair Nancy McCormick
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Absent: 2 - Chair Brian Daniels , and Duncan Lascelles
6. 218 Wilson Street [24-0250]
Marissa Carmi, Associate Director of the American Indian Center, presented a
photo that showed the location of the propose American Indian Cultural
Garden (AICG). She explained that the AICG was directly across the street
from UNC’s American Indian Center. She also mentioned that the design had
changed slightly from the original approval to reflect community feedback.
Joanna Massey Lelekacs, Director of Learning & Community Engagement at
the North Carolina Botanical Garden, explained that the AICG received a
Certificate of Appropriateness in June 2022. She explained that challenges
with funding delayed the project and only a pathway on the north side of the
project area was completed. She mentioned that they plan to move forward
with the Chapel Hill grit path around the community garden, construction of a
medicine wheel, a split rail fence, and a ceremonial gathering circle. She said
the proposed split rail fence would match the existing fence around the
community garden. She described the construction of the medicine wheel and
ceremonial circle and that the circle would be partly enclosed by a berm.
Chair van de Velde asked if they proposed to remove a few elements from the
original approval. Lelekacs confirmed.
Commissioner Schwarz asked if they were seeking approval for any elements
that were not previously approved. Lelekacs confirmed they were not.
Schwartz asked if the university was open to maintaining the garden in the
long-term. Daniel Widis, University Landscape Architect at UNC Chapel Hill,
said the university had no plan to develop anything on the property at this
time.
Commissioner Gurlitz moved, seconded by Schwartz, that the application was
not incongruous with the special character of the district. The motion carried
by a unanimous vote.
Aye: 6 - Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde, Deputy Vice-Chair Nancy
McCormick, Michael Booth, Josh Gurlitz, Clarke Martin, and
David Schwartz
Absent: 2 - Chair Brian Daniels , and Duncan Lascelles
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7. 211 Hillsborough Street [24-0251]
Ryan Smith, contractor with New Dimensions Construction, explained that the
proposal has several elements. He said they proposed to replace the vinyl
basement windows on the façade with wood divided light windows; the
fiberglass basement door would be replaced with a wooden door; and the
stucco on the stairs to the side porch would be removed to expose the original
brick. He noted that stucco was not a material used historically and that it had
been added much later. He said the yellow pine siding would be replaced with
cedar siding that would meet the profile of the original siding and the pine trim
would be replaced with mahogany. He stated that the siding and trim would
be painted to match. He explained the proposal would not change the of the
house, but the new materials would be more durable.
Smith mentioned that the existing pine siding would not retain the paint, and
repainting and repairing the siding was costly. He also explained that the way
the siding was installed created a void where moisture could collect. He
presented photos that showed the current condition of the siding. He
mentioned that the siding and trim were repainted five years ago.
Commissioner Gurlitz asked for the specific species of cedar. Smith said clear
western red cedar.
Chair van de Velde asked if the siding was original. Smith said he thinks the
most deteriorated areas were original.
There was no public comment.
Commissioner Gurlitz moved, seconded by Schwartz, that the application was
not incongruous with the special character of the district. The motion carried
by a unanimous vote.
Aye: 6 - Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde, Deputy Vice-Chair Nancy
McCormick, Michael Booth, Josh Gurlitz, Clarke Martin, and
David Schwartz
Absent: 2 - Chair Brian Daniels , and Duncan Lascelles
8. 214 Glenburnie Street [24-0252]
Chair van de Velde disclosed that a resident expressed frustration about the
project with her, and that she told them she could not talk about the project
because she was on the commission. Paul Medling, project landscape
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architect with Myatt Landscaping and Construction, asked her if the resident
explained their frustrations. Van de Velde said they did not.
Counsel Hornik said that Chair van de Velde’s interaction with the resident
was not a conflict of interest. Hornik also mentioned that the applicant could
object to van de Velde’s participation if he thought she could not be objective.
Medling asked van de Velde if she thought her opinion would be biased. Van
de Velde said no. Medling did not object to van de Velde’s participation.
Medling explained that this proposal was for a second phase of the overall
addition and renovation at the property. He said the proposal was for a wood
picket fence, a Chapel Hill grit pathway with brick curbing, a retaining wall
near the rain garden and extension of the rain garden, travertine steppers,
and a steel cable trellis.
Medling said the fence would be in the side yard and would be painted white
to match the existing fence. He presented a site plan that showed the location
of the fence and an elevation drawing of the decorative picket fence. He
explained that the Chapel Hill grit pathway would extend from the garbage
enclosure to Glenburnie Street. He said the travertine steppers would match
materials that were already approved for the first phase. He said the Chapel
Hill grit walkways were designed to be permeable and French drains were
installed to move water into the rain garden.
Medling shared an image of a steel-cable trellis system. He said the
confederate jasmine would be planted on the trellis because it grew quickly.
Commissioner McCormick asked if the trellis would be visible from the street.
Medling confirmed and explained that confederate jasmine was proposed
because it grows fast. He said they could use a copper wire system that
would be less obtrusive, but the weight of the vines on the copgper wire could
cause damage in the future.
Medling mentioned the proposed brick retaining wall was to flatten out the
backyard. He said the wall would be in the forefront of the rain garden. He
said the rain garden was designed as a bioretention area, and that the
retaining wall would be consistent with previously approved brick retaining
walls.
Commissioner Schwartz asked if the rain garden was installed to meet
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stormwater requirements. Medling confirmed that the rain garden was
correctly sized to handle the amount of impervious surface on site. McCormick
asked if the rain garden was approved. Medlin mentioned that other members
of the project team told him he could reconfigure the rain garden if he stayed
out of the setback.
McCormick asked if Medling had a photo that showed the fence’s location.
Medlin presented a photo of the fence and identified where the location of the
previously approved picket fence. McCormick asked for the fence’s height.
Medlin was not sure of the height of the previously approved fence but
confirmed that the proposed fence would be four feet tall.
Commissioner Gurlitz asked if fences with the height of four feet or less were
exempt from regulation. Counsel Hornik said he did not know but advised that
the fence would not be exempt from a Certificate of Appropriateness. Hornik
said the commission would consider whether the proposal was incongruous
with the district and the applicant would be obligated to obtain any other
required permits.
McCormick asked if the fence would have a gate. Medling confirmed. He also
said it could have either one or two doors. Grahn-Federmack confirmed that
staff could administratively approved the gate as long as the commission
found that the fence was not incongruous.
There was no public comment.
Gurlitz asked Medling to confirm if the rain garden that was approved matched
what was built. Medling confirmed.
McCormick asked if a more traditional material could be used for the trellis.
Medling said copper could be used but reiterated his concern that it might not
hold the weight of the plant.
Commissioner Booth asked if the gutters were copper. Medling confirmed.
Booth thought a copper wire would complement the gutters and asked about
Medling’s concern. Medling said he was concerned about the weight of the
plan. Booth asked how the trellis would be fastened to the wall. Schwartz said
the commission did not need to come up with a solution if they found that steel
was incongruous. Medling agreed to use copper.
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Commissioner Schwartz moved, seconded by Gurlitz, that the application was
not incongruous with the special character of the district so long as copper
was used for the trellis. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Aye: 6 - Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde, Deputy Vice-Chair Nancy
McCormick, Michael Booth, Josh Gurlitz, Clarke Martin, and
David Schwartz
Absent: 2 - Chair Brian Daniels , and Duncan Lascelles
Commission Discussion
Historic Preservation Month Update
Commissioner McCormick said that commissioners were working with town staff
on increasing awareness of Preservation Month. She mentioned that links to
preservation activities were added to the town’s website. She also said that the
proclamation to designate May as Preservation Month would be before the
Council at the May 15th meeting.
Recruitment
Land Use Management Ordinance (LUMO) Update
Chair van de Velde said that Chair Daniels was interested in forming a
sub-committee to discuss how transition areas are treated in the new Land Use
Management Ordinance (LUMO). She said the sub-committee could only have
three members, and that Chair Daniels wanted to participate. Commissioners
Booth and Gurlitz agreed to be on the sub-committee. Counsel Hornik said the
sub-committee members could meet outside of the commission’s public meetings
and then bring their ideas back to the commission at a later date.
Adjournment
Next Meeting - June 11, 2024
Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The
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Body asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous
manner, both with the Body and with fellow members of the public.
Should any member of the Body or any member of the public fail to
observe this charge at any time, the Chair will ask the offending
person to leave the meeting until that individual regains personal
control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will recess the
meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on
the above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards
for background information on this Board.
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Chair Brian Daniels Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde Duncan Lascelles
Deputy Vice-Chair Nancy McCormick Clarke Martin
Michael Booth David Schwartz
Tuesday, May 14, 2024 6:30 PM RM 110 | Council Chamber
Language Access Statement
Opening
Roll Call
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Commission Chair reads the Public Charge
Approval of Agenda
Announcements
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
1. February 29, 2024 HDC Retreat Action Minutes [24-0245]
Attachments: 2.29.2024 Meeting Retreat Minutes
2. March 12, 2024 Action Minutes [24-0246]
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Attachments: March 12, 2024 HDC Draft Action Minutes
3. March 25, 2024 Special Meeting Action Minutes [24-0247]
Attachments: March 25, 2024 Special Meeting Draft
Action Minutes
Information
4. Administrative Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) [24-0248]
Approvals & Maintenance Memos
Attachments: COA Approval Report and Maintenance
Memos
New Business
5. 118 Cameron Court [24-0249]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
6. 218 Wilson Street [24-0250]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
7. 211 Hillsborough Street [24-0251]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
8. 214 Glenburnie Street [24-0252]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
Commission Discussion
Historic Preservation Month Update
Recruitment
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Land Use Management Ordinance (LUMO) Update
Adjournment
Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The Body
asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous manner, both
with the Body and with fellow members of the public. Should any member of the
Body or any member of the public fail to observe this charge at any time, the
Chair will ask the offending person to leave the meeting until that individual
regains personal control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will
recess the meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on the
above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards for
background information on this Board.
http://www.townofchapelhill.org Page 3 of 3 Printed on 4/29/2024
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