Town Council
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · February 8, 2021
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Town Council Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes - Final
Mayor Pam Hemminger Council Member Hongbin Gu
Mayor pro tem Michael Parker Council Member Tai Huynh
Council Member Jessica Anderson Council Member Amy Ryan
Council Member Allen Buansi Council Member Karen Stegman
Monday, February 8, 2021 6:00 PM Virtual Meeting
Language Access Statement
Roll Call
Present: 8 - Mayor Pam Hemminger, Mayor pro tem Michael Parker,
Council Member Jessica Anderson, Council Member Allen
Buansi, Council Member Hongbin Gu, Council Member
Karen Stegman, Council Member Tai Huynh, and Council
Member Amy Ryan
Other Attendees
Town Manager Maurice Jones, Deputy Town Manager Florentine Miller, Town Attorney Ann
Anderson, Assistant to the Town Manager for Administrative and Program Management Ross
Tompkins, Mayoral Aide Jeanne Brown, Communications and Public Affairs Director/Town Clerk
Sabrina Oliver, and Deputy Town Clerk Amy Harvey.
Welcome & Agenda review [21-0103]
Mayor Hemminger opened the virtual Council Retreat meeting and called
the roll at 6:00 p.m. All Council Members replied that they were present.
Reflecting on working together [21-0104]
Mayor Hemminger proposed a pilot project for the Town's petitioning
process in which petitions would go to her and the Town Manager prior to
being sent to Council. In response, Council Members agreed that the
current system had drawbacks, but they did not all agreed that the
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proposed pilot was the best way to solve that.
Council Member Ryan cautioned against creating a "gate-keeping process"
and stressed that petitions needed to come to the Council for a formal
vote. Council Member Buansi said he did not see a problem with the
current process and he suggested looking into whether any other towns
were doing it in the way the Mayor was proposing.
Council Member Stegman said that it would be fine to tweak the Council
Procedures Manual, but she did not want to create a new, complicated,
multi-step process. She asked to see a draft of the proposed pilot. She
said that Council Members had been elected on individual platforms and
that they were responsible for deciding where something should be on the
priority list and whether or not it should go forward.
Mayor pro tem Parker asked if the Mayor and Manager would be making
value judgments or merely fact checking. He said that it was difficult to
commit to a process without knowing more about it.
Council Member Huynh said that he would like to see what was in the
pipeline before agreeing to change the process. He would also want to
know who would do the prioritizing and understand what criteria the
Council would use for decision-making, he said.
Mayor Hemminger and Council Member Anderson pointed out that the
majority of Council Members surveyed had expressed support for creating
a way to allow the Council and public to know where petitions were in the
process. Council Member Anderson argued that the time for debating
whether or not a new process was needed was over. She pointed out that
the Manager and Mayor would still continue to ask the Council whether or
not to proceed.
Town Manager Maurice Jones pointed out that the processes for
resolutions, proclamations, and petitions were different from each other
and characterized the current system as "ludicrous". There needed to be
different processes for requests, ideas, and personal opinions. The
proposed process would permit a deeper analysis before bringing some
request to the Council for discussion, he said.
Mayor pro tem Parker proposed that the Manager provide Council with a
tutorial that would clarify how the current process worked. For example,
he would like to know what staff could currently address, what needed to
go through a formal process but did not require Council action, and what
required a vote by the Council, he said.
Mayor Hemminger clarified that she was not suggesting that she and the
Manager decide on the merits of petitions but only that they determine
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what resources would be needed and recommend a pathway. She
proposed that she and the Manager review the Council Procedures Manual
and bring back a written recommended approach and timeline for Council
consideration.
Council Members Stegman and Anderson said that, currently, the Council's
packets, which contained information on resolutions, projects, and other
items came to them just prior to Council meetings. They said that it was
not realistic to expect a 21st century Council, many of whom had jobs and
children, to work that way. Council Member Stegman said that the issue
was applicable to the current discussion in which the pilot project was
being proposed for the first time.
Mayor Hemminger reminded Council Members to get their questions in
before meetings as well, since that helped her plan how to facilitate. She
said that only about half of them copied her on questions they sent in,
but she praised the manner in which the Council pulled items from the
Consent Agenda. She said that Council Members who were board liaisons
were responsible for those boards even though they did not have to
attend every meeting.
The Council discussed having a guideline for how long each Council
Member could speak and in empowering the Mayor to remind anyone who
went over that limit. Council Members said that they did not each need to
speak on every issue and/or repeat what others had said. Some discussed
changing how Council meetings were structured and said that they wanted
work sessions to focus on policy rather than overflow agenda items. They
emphasized the importance of getting questions in ahead of time, being
prepared, and trying to avoid repetition.
On a separate topic, Mr. Jones reminded the Council that it had begun to
discuss the possibility of having a discretionary fund to address some
issues. COVID-19 had interrupted that discussion, but he could look into
the costs and trade-offs as part of the budget process, if the Council were
still interested, he said.
Considering the size of Council & Open seat [21-0105]
Town Attorney Ann Anderson explained that amending the Town charter in
order to reduce the number of Council seats to seven could be done by an
act of the NC General Assembly or through the following four-step Town
process: adopt a resolution of intent to consider an ordinance
amendment; call a public hearing on the proposed amendment; adopt the
ordinance amending the charter; and publish a notice of adoption. She
pointed out, however, that publishing a notice could trigger a special
referendum if at least 10 percent of Town citizens requested one.
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Mayor Hemminger said that the Council had previously discussed having a
public process, but she was wondering if it still wanted to do so given the
ongoing pandemic and need for virtual meetings. Council Members
ascertained from Mr. Jones that the type of public process they had
initially envisioned would entail four or five public input sessions,
outreach, and check-ins. Attorney Anderson said that such a process
would need to be completed by the filing deadline of July 2, 2021, and
several Council Members said there was not enough time for it.
Some Council Members proposed letting the public decide the issue in a
referendum during the November 2021 Town election, but others pointed
out that the percentage of citizens who typically vote in those elections
was small. After more discussion, the Mayor and Council concurred that
the timing was off and it was unlikely that everything necessary could be
accomplished before the July 2, 2021, deadline.
Council Members discussed whether they should try to fill an existing
vacant Council seat before the end of June, but Council Members Buansi
and Parker said they would only support that if there would be enough
time to open the process up and accept new applicants. The Council
ultimately decided to not try and fill the vacant seat during an election
year in which four Council seats were open.
The Council agreed that the current process for filling vacancies was vague
and confusing. They asked Ms. Anderson to bring back ideas for updating
the Town ordinance, and Mayor Hemminger proposed having another
meeting on the subject when Ms. Anderson had more information.
Council Member Buansi left the meeting at 8:19 p.m.
Closing out the retreat [21-0106]
Facilitator Maggie Chotas reviewed the topics that the Council had
discussed during the three-day retreat. Council Members put comments
about the three sessions into a chat box and she read some of those
aloud.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 8:21 p.m.
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