Town Council
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · October 20, 2021
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Town Council Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes - Final
Mayor Pam Hemminger Council Member Hongbin Gu
Mayor pro tem Michael Parker Council Member Tai Huynh
Council Member Jessica Anderson Council Member Amy Ryan
Council Member Allen Buansi Council Member Karen Stegman
Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting
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Roll Call
Present: 8 - Mayor Pam Hemminger, Mayor pro tem Michael Parker,
Council Member Jessica Anderson, Council Member Allen
Buansi, Council Member Hongbin Gu, Council Member
Karen Stegman, Council Member Tai Huynh, and Council
Member Amy Ryan
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Other Attendees
Town Manager Maurice Jones, Deputy Town Manager Mary Jane Nirdlinger, Deputy Town Manager
Loryn Clark, Town Attorney Ann Anderson, Parks and Recreation Director Phil Fleischmann, Park
Maintenance Superintendent Kevin Robinson, Public Works Director Lance Norris, Stormwater
Engineer Mary Beth Meumann, Community Education Coordinator Sammy Bauer, Manager of Engineering
and Infrastructure Chris Roberts, Senior Engineer Ernest Odei-Larbi, Stormwater Analyst Allison
Weakley, Communications and Public Affairs Director and Town Clerk Sabrina Oliver, and Deputy
Town Clerk Amy Harvey.
OPENING
Mayor Hemminger opened the meeting at 6:30 p.m. and reviewed the agenda.
Mayor Hemminger called the roll and all Council Members replied that they were
present.
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS
0.01 Mayor Hemminger Regarding Upcoming Petition to Have [21-0805]
Staff Investigate TOCH Taking Over Downtown Franklin St.
from NC DOT.
Mayor Hemminger told the Council about an anticipated petition from the
Downtown Partnership that would ask staff to investigate taking the
downtown portion of Franklin Street back from the NC Department of
Transportation, making that area a Town street would allow the Town to
retain the expanded sidewalks and outdoor dining that had evolved during
COVID-19, she said.
0.02 Mayor Hemminger Regarding Upcoming Festifall Arts and [21-0806]
Crafts Market.
Mayor Hemminger pointed out that Festifall 2021 would begin on October
27th with a twilight street arts and crafts market from 4:00-8:00 p.m. at
140 West Plaza.
0.03 Mayor Hemminger Regarding Police Station Public [21-0807]
Meeting.
Mayor Hemminger said that an October 25th public meeting regarding the
Police Station site had been postponed. She would announce the new
date once it had been set, she said.
0.04 Mayor Hemminger Regarding Food Bank volunteers. [21-0808]
Mayor Hemminger praised and thanked Housing and Community staff for
distributing food from the Food Bank to more than 230 families that day.
She noted that different Town teams had been helping each week to care
for people in need.
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0.05 Councilmember Huynh Regarding Empowerment Annual [21-0809]
Fundraiser.
Council Member Huynh pointed out that EmPOWERment, Inc. would be
holding its annual fundraiser/25th anniversary on October 23rd at Carrboro
Town Commons from 2:00-5:00 p.m. Everyone was invited to join the
festivities, he said.
AGENDA ITEMS
1. Community Splash Pad Update. [21-0791]
Parks and Recreation Director Phil Fleischmann gave a PowerPoint
presentation that responded to a September 22, 2021, petition from the
public. The petition, which included 860 signatures, had asked the Council
to investigate building a splash pad (SP) in Town, he said. He pointed out
that the 2013 Parks Comprehensive Plan had outlined the need for a SP,
and he presented several options for adding such a water feature to the
Parks system.
Mr. Fleischmann said that the general response to the idea had been
overwhelmingly positive. Having a SP in Town could provide equity and
build community, he pointed out. He said that the Friends of Parks and
Recreation and the Parks Greenways and Recreation Commission were
both supporting the idea and that the Commission had pointed out the
potential of partially funding it from American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA)
funding. A Splash Pad Work Group, which included Council Member
Anderson and Parks and Recreation staff with technical expertise, had
been exploring the options, he said.
Kate Sayer, the Chapel Hill resident who spearheaded the petition,
presented an overview of the Splash Pad Work Group's findings. She said
that having a SP in Town would add value and noted that various local
stakeholders supported the idea. She said that the Work Group had
discussed various possible locations and had agreed on the importance of
having the SP be centrally-located, if possible.
Parks Maintenance Superintendent Kevin Robinson described a field trip
that some Work Group members had taken to the towns of Burlington,
Mebane, and Pittsboro to look at SPs located there. He described various
features of each SP park and provided information on related costs. Staff
was hoping to see SP parks in Thomasville and Sanford as well, he said.
Mr. Fleischmann said that development costs could range from $400,000
to $1-million, depending on the size, number of features, amount of site
work required, and level of support facilities needed. The Work Group had
identified possible preliminary Town locations -- such as, Southern
Community Park, Homestead Park, and the AD Clark wading pool, he said.
He explained that staff wanted to do further exploration and vetting
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before recommending a location, however.
Mr. Fleischmann said that community engagement and input would be
vital to the process. He asked the Council for feedback on the direction
being taken before staff began to look more closely at locations, costs,
and budgetary options.
The Council expressed unanimous support for the initiative and verified
that staff would work closely with Business Manager Amy Oland to
determine eligibility for ARPA funding. Council Member Huynh said that he
appreciated the racial equity lens that had been applied to the plan and
he encouraged staff to continue involving diverse stakeholders. Mayor pro
tem Parker proposed that staff develop and present a work plan that
includes major milestones for when things would likely come before the
Council.
Council Members confirmed with Mr. Fleischmann that the 2013 Parks Plan
indicated a need for a SP and that he thought the new master plan would
do so as well. Several said that they preferred the idea of having more
than one SP in Town. Some proposed looking at more naturalistic SPs,
and Council Member Ryan noted the popularity of a creek play area at the
Museum of Life and Science.
The Council recommended that staff look for grants and find out if any
current or future developers might want to be involved. The Council
encouraged staff to talk with representatives from the Rena Community
Center about their interest in having a SP located there. Council Member
Huynh confirmed with Mr. Fleischmann that Umstead Park could be
analyzed as a potential location as well.
Council Members commented on the advantages of locating a SP where
some infrastructure (rest rooms, a water source, and picnic shelters)
already existed. Some cautioned about the need to anticipate safety
issues, such as imbalanced chemicals and hot or slippery pavement. In
response to a question from the Council, Mr. Robinson described the
typical maintenance costs that would be included in an operating budget.
The Council discussed whether the vision should be for a regional
destination or just a local amenity.
Council Member Anderson, liaison to the SP Work Group, raised the idea of
building a SP in an economic center, such as University Place or Carraway
Village. She wondered if there was a way to partner with some entity that
had parking and could share in construction costs, she said. She pointed
out that it was currently the right time to start asking Orange County and
others if they want to participate.
Mayor Hemminger said that she and the Council wanted staff to go "full
speed" and return on December 1st with additional information regarding
costs and locations. She liked the idea of having a central location with
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parking that was accessible and nearby, she said, and she asked staff to
investigate the possibility of having pop-up SPs.
Mayor Hemminger proposed that staff figure out the potential and cost of
doing something at the Rena Center, but she pointed out that putting a
SP there would require a special agreement with Orange County. She
stressed the importance of focusing on locations where people do not
normally have access to pools or other water resources. It was worth
talking about a possible partnership with any developer that might be able
to help, she said.
This item was received as presented.
2. Booker Creek Working Group Update. [21-0792]
Booker Creek Working Group (WG) Co-chair John Morris gave a PowerPoint
update on the group's composition and progress to date. He presented a
draft mission statement and said that the WG's recommendations would
be consistent with the goals of the Town's Stormwater Management Plan,
Climate Action and Response Plan, and Strategic Plan. He said that those
recommendations would reflect full consultation with those community
members who had been affected by stormwater flooding.
Mr. Morris displayed a list of potential agenda topics. This included
defining probable flood damages based on the locations of flooded
structures and the amount of damage they incurred, he said. He said that
the WG planned to obtain information on the community's actions and
experience with green infrastructure -- such as swales, downspout
disconnection, and rain gardens. He pointed out that flood reduction is
most successful when it uses a variety of means -- such as dams, channel
improvements, flood proofing, and elevated structures.
Mr. Morris said that the WG would evaluate ideas and create an agenda to
move them forward. They would define what the WG would do versus
what Town staff would do and establish the best connection between the
two, he said. He proposed that the Town designate a particular staff
member that the WG could contact regarding its efforts.
Mr. Morris said that the WG would make some general recommendations
and then pass the ball back to the Town. He believed that the process
would be relatively short, he said, and he asked the Council for feedback
on the draft mission statement and proposed topics for future meetings.
Mayor Hemminger thanked the WG for developing ideas for a mission
statement and framework, as she had requested. She proposed that they
invite Eastwood Lake Association members to talk with them as well. She
confirmed that Mr. Morris did not feel the WG was lacking expertise in any
particular area. The WG was looking for outside experts who could speak
to its agenda and help out in a temporary way, he said.
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Mayor pro tem Parker proposed that the WG think through what actual
goals it was trying to meet. He confirmed with Mr. Morris that the WG
believed that recommendations developed for Booker Creek could be
applicable to other parts of Town. He proposed that the WG nail down a
methodology that could be applied in other situations and outline steps
that staff could use to put that together.
Mayor pro tem Parker said he felt confused about the WG's request for a
link with Town staff, since several staff members were WG members. Mr.
Morris replied that the Council had called for a change in direction, in
some respects, and had charged the WG with making pertinent
recommendations. WG members thought the first step toward figuring out
the right way to work constructively was to have a liaison who could help
them connect with staff in the correct ways, he said.
Deputy Town Manager Loryn Clark named several staff members who sat
on the WG. She said that she had recently discussed staff's role with the
co-chairs and leadership team and believed they had arrived at a
resolution. Staff had expertise that could be brought to the table, when
appropriate, and would be available as a resource to the group as needed,
she said.
Mayor pro tem Parker emphasized, however, that staff was not just a
"resource". Staff members were the ones who knew where all the flooding
problems were and what solutions had been used in the past, he pointed
out. He said that staff needed to be working collaboratively with the WG.
Council Member Ryan explained that the WG structure had community
members as core voting members. Staff was there in a support position,
but was not part of the decision-making team, she said.
Council Members Stegman and Huynh said they agreed with Mayor pro tem
Parker's comments. Mayor Hemminger said that she thought the
objective could be met by determining a staff champion or finding a
collaborative way to bring recommendations forward. She pointed out that
the WG's facilitator, Maggie Chotas, was highly skilled and recommended
that WG co-chairs work with staff to resolve the issues.
Council Member Gu emphasized the importance of having any new
cost/benefit analysis be comprehensive, based on data, include
simulations, and so forth. She asked if the WG had the capacity to do
that, or if it expected to identify needs and hire someone else to do the
analysis.
Mayor Hemminger replied that she and the WG should be able to put
forward some recommendations and then staff would look at how to do a
cost/benefit analysis based on those ideas.
Council Member Gu said that she wanted to hear about the impact of
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additional development on the Town's stormwater mitigation plan, which
could give Planning staff direction regarding standards for evaluating new
projects in the future.
Council Member Stegman recommended that WG members address a very
specific, time-bound piece of work that the Council had identified and not
duplicate the Stormwater Board's efforts.
Council Member Ryan said she did not see a reason for the WG to do a
watershed by watershed analysis. Focusing on Booker Creek would reveal
best practices that could be used elsewhere, she said. Council Member
Buansi recommended that the intention be about including a diversity of
input, such as reaching out to those who live in public housing in the
low-lying South Estes area.
Mayor Hemminger praised the WG for moving quickly and said she was
looking forward to hearing more. She hoped that staff would answer the
need and determine a contact person, she said. She commented on
devices and ideas that were being used in other towns to reduce
impervious surface and control stormwater. Some areas were using a
mixture of street-calming devices and green infrastructure, hollowed out
cul-de-sacs with trees planted in them, and other similar approaches, she
said. She recommended that the WG learn about that and perhaps try out
some of those ideas in Chapel Hill before bringing back a final report.
This item was received as presented.
3. Review of Town Stormwater Regulations. [21-0793]
Stormwater Engineer Mary Beth Meumann gave a PowerPoint presentation
in response to a June 2021 Council petition that had requested a review of
the Town's stormwater regulations in the context of climate change. She
provided a detailed explanation of the impacts of stormwater runoff and
reviewed state and local regulations that require developers to manage it
before it leaves their properties.
Ms. Meumann explained how state laws put limitations on how local
governments may implement stormwater regulations. She said that NC
Session Law 2018-145 prohibited the Town from requiring stormwater
control for existing impervious areas. Session Law 2013-395 prohibited
local governments from implementing nutrient reduction rules intended to
reduce pollution from new developments in the Jordan Lake Watershed,
she said. She noted that a budget bill currently under consideration at
the state level included multiple changes to 160-D that would limit the
Town's authority and prohibit it from implementing stormwater regulations
that exceed state requirements.
Ms. Meumann addressed how climate change would impact stormwater
management goals. She listed the stormwater regulation objectives that
were contained in the Town's Land Use Management Ordinance (LUMO)
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and said that those and other requirements could benefit from more
precise language. She reviewed some of the changes that might be made
to regulations and recommended that the Town hire a qualified consultant
to do a technical evaluation of those changes and of LUMO and Design
Manual revisions.
Ms. Meumann asked the Council for feedback on whether having such a
technical study lined up with its interests. If it did, then staff would
return with a resolution for adoption at an upcoming Council meeting, she
said. She pointed out that a standalone study to review and revise
stormwater ordinances could cost about $100,000. She said that the
Council had requested a completed report by the end of 2022 and that
$24,000 had been allotted to that effort.
Ms. Meumann told the Council that Planning Director Colleen Willger had
suggested pursuing the technical study as part of the LUMO rewrite
contract. She said that Sustainability Officer John Richardson had
suggested coordinating it with a Green Infrastructure Ordinance, under the
Climate Action and Response Plan. If the Council were to approve a
technical study, and a funding source were solidified, then staff would
obtain a consultant and provide a progress report in early 2022 with the
goal of having recommendations by the end of the year, she said.
All Council Members expressed enthusiastic support for proceeding with a
technical study. Council Member Ryan pointed out that the Town was
creating more stormwater runoff at the same time that it was spending
money mitigating it and it needed to look at that conflict with more
granularity. She was especially interested in learning what could be done
to strengthen Resource Conservation District regulations, she said.
Council Member Anderson suggested finding a way to integrate the study
into an already-funded project. She proposed that staff determine what
those options would be, how long it would take, and what it would cost.
She recommended that the eventual ordinance contain some mechanism
that would allow it to be updated based on changing environmental
conditions.
Mayor Hemminger pointed out that the Town did have a Stormwater Fee
Fund. Mayor pro tem Parker said that the estimated cost was much lower
than he had expected, and he cautioned against trying to "do it on the
cheap". Stormwater was one of the Council's top issues, he pointed out.
He raised the idea of moving some of that work out of the LUMO and
putting it into policies or manuals that staff could more easily update as
things change.
Council Member Stegman said that she felt wary of adding to the scope of
a request for proposals that had already gone out for the LUMO. She
emphasized the need to coordinate stormwater work with the Town's
climate, green infrastructure, LUMO, and housing goals and to make sure
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that those synergies indicated clearly in the scope.
Council Member Gu and Ms. Meumann discussed the validity of the criteria
and assumptions used in studies. Council Member Gu requested that the
technical study address the effects of climate change and that any
evaluation of stormwater control measures address the impacts of
extreme storms.
Ms. Meumann asked if the Council was open to a staged approach in which
things that were more realistic for the short term would be implemented
but other things would be coordinated with the LUMO rewrite because of
their zoning implications. The Mayor and Council agreed with that
approach, and Mayor Hemminger noted that there was Council support for
possibly doing the study as a completely separate project and forming it
into a technical document that the LUMO would reference. The LUMO
rewrite would take time and the Council wanted to move expeditiously on
the technical stormwater document, the Mayor said.
Robert Beasley, a Chapel Hill resident, expressed support for the Mayor's
recommendation to move the technical document out of the LUMO. It
would give the Council more flexibility to move quickly if things were to
change in the future, he pointed out.
This item was received as presented.
REQUEST FOR CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, PROPERTY ACQUISITION, PERSONNEL, AND/OR
LITIGATION MATTERS
A motion was made by Mayor pro tem Parker, seconded by Council Member
Anderson, that the Council go into closed session, as authorized by General Statute
143-318.11(a)(6) to discuss a personnel matter, and as authorized by General
Statute 143-318.11(a)(3) to protect the attorney-client privilege. At the conclusion of
the closed session, the Council will adopt a single motion to end the closed session
and adjourn the meeting without taking further action. The motion carried by a
unanimous vote.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was recessed at 8:48 p.m., the Council went into a closed session
and the meeting adjourned at the ended of the closed session.
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Town Council Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Mayor Pam Hemminger Council Member Hongbin Gu
Mayor pro tem Michael Parker Council Member Tai Huynh
Council Member Jessica Anderson Council Member Amy Ryan
Council Member Allen Buansi Council Member Karen Stegman
Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting
Virtual Meeting Notification
Town Council members will attend and participate in this meeting remotely,
through internet access, and will not physically attend. The Town will not
provide a physical location for viewing the meeting.
The public is invited to attend the Zoom webinar directly online or by phone.
Register for this webinar:
https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_8gPzysglR-WtYKWz27wgqg
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information
about joining the webinar in listen-only mode. Phone: 301-715-8592,
Meeting ID: 820 3081 0112
View Council meetings live at https://chapelhill.legistar.com/Calendar.aspx –
and on Chapel Hill Gov-TV (townofchapelhill.org/GovTV).
OPENING
ROLL CALL
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS
AGENDA ITEMS
1. Community Splash Pad Update. [21-0791]
PRESENTER: Phil Fleischmann, Parks and Recreation Director
Kevin Robinson, Park Maintenance Superintendent
The purpose of this item is to provide an update on community
interest in a splash pad and preliminary findings of the splash pad
work group. The Council will also have an opportunity to discuss the
splash pad concept and their thoughts on prioritizing this for funding
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in order to bring it to fruition.
2. Booker Creek Working Group Update. [21-0792]
PRESENTER: John Morris and Pamela Schultz, Co-Chairs, Booker
Creek Working Group
The purpose of this item is to provide the Council with an update on
the activities of the Booker Creek Working Group.
3. Review of Town Stormwater Regulations. [21-0793]
PRESENTER: Mary Beth Meumann, Engineer III
The purpose of this item is to respond to Council’s petition for a
comprehensive review of Town Stormwater regulations considering
impacts of climate change. Staff will provide a preliminary response
with background information, initial ideas for revisions to the
regulations, and next steps to conduct a technical study.
REQUEST FOR CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
PROPERTY ACQUISITION, PERSONNEL, AND/OR LITIGATION MATTERS
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