Town Council
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · November 14, 2022
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Town Council Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes - Final
Mayor Pam Hemminger Council Member Paris Miller-Foushee
Mayor pro tem Karen Stegman Council Member Michael Parker
Council Member Jessica Anderson Council Member Amy Ryan
Council Member Camille Berry Council Member Adam Searing
Council Member Tai Huynh
Monday, November 14, 2022 6:30 PM Library Meeting Room B
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In-Person Meeting Notification
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attendance is welcome. The Town of Chapel Hill wants to know more about who
participates in its programs and processes, including Town Council meetings.
Please participate in a voluntary demographic survey
https://www.townofchapelhill.org/demosurvey.
We will not live stream the event, but will provide the Post-Meeting Video
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• Parking is available at the Library lots. The Library is served by CL Route, D
Route, and GoTriangle Routes of Chapel Hill Transit.
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• Meeting Room B is to the right from the main entrance.
• Visitors and employees will self-screen. Do not enter if you have these symptoms:
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• Attendees are encouraged to wear masks in the building and may sit physically
distanced.
ROLL CALL
Council Member Huynh was absent, excused.
Present: 8 - Mayor Pam Hemminger, Mayor pro tem Karen Stegman,
Council Member Jessica Anderson, Council Member Camille
Berry, Council Member Paris Miller-Foushee, Council
Member Michael Parker, Council Member Amy Ryan, and
Council Member Adam Searing
Absent: 1 - Council Member Tai Huynh
OTHER ATTENDEES
Town Manager Maurice Jones, Deputy Town Manager Mary Jane Nirdlinger, Deputy Town Manager
Loryn Clark, Town Attorney Ann Anderson, Business Management Director Amy Oland, Technology
Solutions Director Chris Butts,Deputy Fire Chief Stacey Graves, Fire Chief Vence Harris, CHFD
Administrative Services Manager Ryan Campbell, Emergency Management Coordinator Kelly Drayton,
Manager of Engineering & Infrastructure Chris Roberts, Administrative Assistant-Planning Diedra
Whittenburg-McEntyre, Assistant to the Town Manager for Administrative and Program Management
Ross Tompkins, Police Officer Drew Smith, Assistant Town Clerk Brenton Hodge, and
Communications and Public Affairs Director/Town Clerk Sabrina Oliver.
OPENING
Mayor Hemminger called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m. and reviewed the
agenda.
0.01. Mayor Hemminger shared Council meeting logistics [22-0872]
Mayor Hemminger explained that Council work sessions did not normally
include public input unless there was extra time at the end. Distracting
items, such as signs and paddles, were not allowed, she said.
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS
0.02. November 18 Arbor Day Celebration and Tree Planting [22-0873]
Mayor Hemminger said that she would be joining Glenwood Elementary
School students on November 18th for a tree planting ceremony at North
Columbia Housing. There had been many such events in 2022 and another
was scheduled for December 3rd, she said.
0.03. Update on November 16 Council Meeting [22-0874]
Mayor Hemminger announced that a regular Council business meeting
would be held on November 16, 2022. One item had been moved from
that agenda to the November 30th work session to allow for a broader
discussion, she said.
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AGENDA ITEMS
1. Develop a Master Plan for Design and Rebuild of Chapel Hill [22-0843]
Fire Stations and Facilities.
Deputy Fire Chief Stacy Graves began the presentation on Chapel Hill Fire
Department (CHFD) facilities and station needs. He said that a recent
evaluation had identified building deficiencies and that staff had come to
present design and replacement options. He thanked the Council for
considering fire stations and facilities in its five-year budget plan for the
Town.
CHFD Administrative Services Manager Ryan Campbell provided
information on a recent study of Town fire stations' current and future
staffing and apparatus needs. He described the methodology that had
been used and discussed the findings, which had been grouped into four
categories: station condition, apparatus performance, station lay-out
across Town, and fire truck lay-out within station areas.
Mr. Campbell said that consultants had deemed three of five stations to
be in poor condition. Their recommendations had addressed emergency
response, apparatus and equipment, and the time required to get to an
incident and back, he said. He outlined several recommendations, which
included starting a long-range station replacement planning process and
creating a new training facility within Town.
Mr. Campbell discussed the need for an additional modern ladder tuck but
noted the lack of space in Town to accommodate and care for one. He
displayed a chart that showed the estimated year when several fire
engines would need to be replaced. He pointed out that the CHFD's
"temporary" training facility was 15 years old.
Mr. Campbell showed a list of improvements that staff believed would be
realistic to achieve between FY 2023 and FY 2028. Those had been based
on the consultants' recommendation regarding how to make significant
progress toward where the Town would need to be in FY 2032, he said.
Mr. Campbell proposed that the Town engage with Orange County
Emergency Management Services and others in a design and build process.
He proposed that the Council begin to discuss replacing facilities,
beginning with Fire Station 3. He said that funding might be available
from Orange County if it continued to partner with the Town on Fire
Station 2.
Mayor Hemminger and Fire Chief Vence Harris discussed previous
discussions about relocating or possibly selling a portion of Station 4,
which had been appraised at about $3.2 million. The Mayor confirmed
with Chief Harris that recent cost estimates for building a new station
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ranged $400 to $800 per square foot, depending on the building's needs
and the current cost of construction.
Chief Harris said that Economic Development Officer Dwight Bassett had
estimated that a 10,000 square-foot building would cost about $6 million.
He pointed out that Station 4 would cost less than that, however, due to
its smaller footprint.
Mayor Hemminger confirmed with Chief Harris that Orange County
remained willing to partner, had allocated $300,000 for design, and had
$3.5 million for potential construction of Station 3. She also confirmed
that the County was willing to partner in a similar way regarding Station
4. Chief Harris said that doing so while also selling half of Station 4's
land would probably leave a $1.5 million to $2 million funding gap.
The Council confirmed with Chief Harris that the CHFD and other Town
departments had discussed the possibility of co-locating together. The
Council also confirmed that 5-20 acres would be needed for a training
facility, depending on the assessed need. The Council and Town Manager
Maurice Jones discussed possible opportunities to partner with the private
sector.
Council Members verified that Station 3 would not need a drive-through
and probably was not large enough to accommodate one anyway. They
confirmed that the total cost of all recommendations combined would be
$20-25 million over a 10-year period. The Council ascertained from
Management Director Amy Oland that UNC's contribution to the CHFD
(which was set by NC state legislature) had been about $1.1 million
annually.
Mayor Hemminger asked what effect moving Station 4 to Cedar Falls Park
would have on service, and Chief Harris said that it would open up a larger
coverage gap between areas 1 and 4. She mentioned a possible lot for
Station 3 at Greenfield Station, but Chief Harris said that putting it there
would increase the gap because it was more toward Durham. The Mayor
pointed out, however, that a number of new developments were being
proposed for that area.
Mayor Hemminger confirmed that the CHFD preferred that any new facility
be at, or in the vicinity of, Station 3's current location. If it were there,
then a new Station 6 would not be needed, but there would be a response
gap, Chief Harris said. He and Mayor Hemminger discussed areas of Town
that were covered by Orange County's FD as well as residences that the
Town covered that were not technically in Chapel Hill.
Mayor Hemminger said that the Council was very supportive, understood
the need, and wanted to see some numbers on how to proceed. She
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understood the preference for staying in the current vicinity, she said.
She pointed out that the CHFD was proposing a plan that would stagger
improvements over the next few years.
Chief Harris and the Council also discussed the effects of COVID-19 on
staffing, recruitment, and fire coverage.
This item was received as presented.
2. Update on Five-Year Budget Strategy for FY23-34. [22-0844]
Mr. Jones began the Town's five-year budget strategy discussion with a
PowerPoint presentation on long-term issues and "hard truths" associated
with meeting expectations and needs. While remaining committed to
racial equity, social justice, affordable housing, environmental
sustainability, Downtown revitalization, and economic sustainability, the
Town needed to focus on issues related to maintenance and employee
compensation as well, he pointed out.
Mr. Jones said that the Town had responded to much of what the
community had asked of it over recent years, but that a long list of
deferred needs related to buildings, equipment, vehicles, technology, and
employee support remained. The Town had fallen behind in funding many
of its core operations and a long list of needs had to be addressed, he
said.
Mr. Jones emphasized that employees were at the heart of providing
services, which was the Town's core function. He reviewed the significant
investments in employee compensation and benefits that the Town had
made during the last year. However, some employees were beginning to
feel the burden of being overworked and working with outdated tools, he
said.
Mr. Jones stressed the importance of prioritizing core business functions,
addressing reductions in departmental budgets, and confronting
maintenance issues, fleet reduction, and deferred capital expenses. He is
seeking feedback from Council and would return in January with scenarios
for Council consideration, he said.
Director of Business Management Amy Oland said she agreed with the
Manager that capital priorities had not been adequately funded in recent
years. Those priorities were related to fleet, facility maintenance,
staffing, and operating resources, she said. She discussed prior cuts to
the Town fleet's replacement budget and said that a $5.6 million backlog
in 2021 had grown to $9.1 million in 2022 due to cost increases and
additional needs.
Ms. Oland reported a more than $11.4 million backlog in pay-go capital
and facility maintenance funds, not including maintenance costs for Town
park facilities. She discussed short- and long-term funding goals that
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would keep the Town's fleet up to date and operating effectively. The
short-term replacement goal was $1 million, but the longer-term goal was
about $1.5 million, which would allow about $1 million for smaller pay-go
capital projects and about $500,000 for facility upkeep, she said.
Ms. Oland emphasized that staff salaries needed to remain consistent
with the cost of living in order to remain competitive. She said that the
Town had made great strides with employee pay adjustments and a
cost-of-living adjustment for the current year, but she emphasized the
importance of maintaining competitive benefits.
Ms. Oland discussed employee burn-out resulting from a hiring freeze that
had been in effect during COVID-19 and said that workloads seemed to be
increasing as well. She pointed out that a Class and Compensation Study
had not looked at the Town's support employees. She said that the
current competitive market had made hiring and maintaining good talent
more challenging and that retention was about benefits, work/life balance,
and professional development. All of those things would be discussed
during FY 2024 budget deliberations, she said.
Ms. Oland said that Town departments lacked the resources to address
core services for the next five years and that inflation and supply chain
problems were adding to that difficulty. She said that the current backlog
of FY 2023 requests from Town departments was $2 million and that an
additional $7.8 million would be needed to expand staffing and resources
in order to carry out Council priorities.
Mr. Jones noted that the Town's tax rate of 52.2 cents put it in the middle
when compared to other NC municipalities. However, the total tax rate for
Chapel Hill residents was much higher when Orange County taxes were
accounted for, he pointed out. He emphasized the need for a community
discussion regarding Town needs and a strategy for addressing those over
the next 2-5 years.
Mr. Jones said that Council feedback would influence staff discussions with
Town departments and that he would develop department scenarios to
share with the Council in January 2023. The Council would continue that
discussion at its February retreat and there would be several months of
discussion during the FY 2023-2024 budget season, he said.
Council Member Berry confirmed with staff that ARPA funds could be used
to cover departmental costs for holding ZOOM meetings. Mr. Jones
pointed out, however, that virtual meetings might continue and that ARPA
money was intended for one-time expenses. Ms. Oland said that some
departments had experienced savings during COVID as well, since they
not been able to attend training sessions. However, departments had
reached a tipping point where they had absorbed all that they could, she
said.
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Council Member Parker confirmed with Ms. Oland that electrifying Town
vehicles had not been included in cost estimates. She and Mr. Jones
pointed out, however, that the Town's Climate Action team was an
integral part of the work and that such items would be part of that
budget.
In response to Council questions about whether Town residents were
getting a fair return on the taxes they pay to Orange County, Mr. Jones
said that the Town and County work closely on many different services
and that he would need to do a deeper analysis before being able to
answer accurately. He summarized some of the meetings and discussions
that the Town had been having with Orange County regarding various
memos of understanding.
Council Member Anderson confirmed with Mr. Jones that he and the
Council would look at trade-offs and scenarios and would make hard
choices during budget discussions. The five-year budget would be a
guideline, not something that the Town would be wedded to for five years,
Mr. Jones pointed out.
Council Member Anderson asked about the probability of evaluating what
was working and was not working and the effectiveness of what the Town
was spending. Mr. Jones replied that such an analysis probably would find
that the organization was quite lean and should add on but might help
determine areas that could be reduced in the future.
Council Member Searing requested that staff provide a list of how much
was being spent on things other than core services. He confirmed with
Ms. Oland that the strong sales tax revenues were being driven, in part,
by inflationary costs. She believed that the Town would continue to see
higher collections than in the past but that the large percentage growth
would level out, Ms. Oland said.
Mayor Hemminger commented on how it was currently very early in the
budget season and said that the Council would see real numbers and
projections at later stages. She pointed out that the current economy was
unpredictable. Changing the interest rates had not reduced inflation as
intended, she pointed out. She said that such dynamics made budgeting
a little difficult but that the Town always liked a challenge.
This item was received as presented.
3. Shaping Our Future - Stormwater Regulations Review. [22-0845]
Manager of Engineering and Infrastructure Chris Roberts provided an
update on a 2021 petition from several Council members that had asked
staff to amend the Town's stormwater ordinance to reflect climate change.
He summarized the resulting project scope, timeline, and public
engagement plan. Stormwater regulations had not been comprehensively
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reviewed since 2003, and the Council petition has asked staff to
determine whether the original goals remained valid, he said.
Mr. Roberts reminded the Council that staff had presented a document in
October 2021 that had eventually become a set of text changes. The
consultant working on the Town's Land Use Management Ordinance
(LUMO) had then hired SRF Consulting to provide technical support
regarding which regulations could be changed and which should wait until
the LUMO rewrite, he said.
Kevin Delong, senior project manager with SRF Consulting, said that much
work was going into determining how climate change was impacting the
Town's stormwater infrastructure. He summarized the plan to review
current regulations, make technical changes, and create longer term
solutions that could be worked into the LUMO. Places in the existing
LUMO language that might conflict with stormwater regulations were also
being looked at, he said.
Mr. DeLong showed a proposed timeline and engagement process that
included staff, Council, professional stakeholders, Town advisory
boards/commissions, and others. He would return to the Council in early
December and would then present a report and recommendations in
January or February 2023, he said.
Council Member Berry noted that one Public Housing community was
located in a floodplain. She recommended that the Town's Affordable
Housing partners and its Public Housing Department be included in
discussions as well.
Some Council members asked how they might respond when community
members complain that new construction was increasing flooding in areas
below it. Council Member Parker said that the Town did not seem to be
able to provide residents with good answers about the main causes of
flooding and what could be done about it.
Council Member Searing said that residents had complained to him that
the Town was not looking system-wide and considering the impacts of
development on downstream areas. Mayor pro tem Stegman said it would
be helpful to have some kind of matrix to help navigate whether an issue
was something a homeowner would need to address or a systems issue
for which the Town or homeowners association would be responsible.
Council Member Ryan and Mr. Delong discussed the "lack of granularity" in
Town topography and the absence of any system for exploring community
complaints about a nearby development's effect on a neighboring septic
system. Addressing water quality issues would be important as well,
Council Member Ryan said.
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Mr. Delong agreed with the Council that impervious surface was a
challenging issue, which became especially difficult when a state
government restricted how towns could address it. However, it might be
possible to address things such as parking lot reductions in the LUMO, he
said.
Council Member Miller-Foushee asked about remediation for existing
communities that contribute to run-off, and Mr. Delong said that retrofits
could sometimes be done through capital projects that have to be put in
place due to a flooding issue. Remediation was everyone's responsibility
even though some may be contributing to the problem more than others,
he said.
Council Member Parker pointed out that some residents did not
understand storm-related terminology. Town regulations had been largely
incomprehensible and had led to inaccurate beliefs, he said, and Mr.
Delong noted the importance of communicating with individual
property-owners about the benefits to them and their neighbors of using
best practices. Perhaps a handbook or flyer could address such issues, he
said, and he described some of the clarifying information that it might
contain.
Mayor Hemminger expressed satisfaction that the Council's petition had
led to a better understanding of what the Town had, what was and was
not working, and how to move forward. The Town's stormwater fee had
been providing a source of funding to help address some issues, but the
Town had not done a good job of explaining that to citizens, she said.
She proposed providing a better explanation of that fee on the Town's
website.
The Mayor said that the Town needed to find the best way to fix its
infrastructure concerns and that the Council needed more clarity regarding
future development. New regulations would not fix existing problems and
the Town would need to address those as well, she pointed out. With
regard to stream erosion and water quality, the Town needed to start
restoring and figuring out who was responsible, she said.
Mayor Hemminger pointed out that UNC owned 40 percent of Chapel Hill
property and she confirmed that staff would determine where the
University stood on the "stormwater equation" and if there were
stormwater concerns related to them. She and the Council wanted to
engage the community, retrofit existing infrastructure, and determine if
there were opportunities for doing something different, she said.
This item was received as presented.
ADJOURNMENT
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This meeting was adjourned at 8:36 p.m.
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Town Council Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Mayor Pam Hemminger Council Member Paris Miller-Foushee
Mayor pro tem Karen Stegman Council Member Michael Parker
Council Member Jessica Anderson Council Member Amy Ryan
Council Member Camille Berry Council Member Adam Searing
Council Member Tai Huynh
Monday, November 14, 2022 6:30 PM Library Meeting Room B
Language Access Statement
In-Person Meeting Notification
The Chapel Hill Town Council will meet in person for the meeting. Public
attendance is welcome. The Town of Chapel Hill wants to know more about
who participates in its programs and processes, including Town Council
meetings. Please participate in a voluntary demographic survey
https://www.townofchapelhill.org/demosurvey.
We will not live stream the event, but will provide the Post-Meeting Video
https://www.townofchapelhill.org/councilvideo/
Parking
• Parking is available at the Library lots. The Library is served by CL Route, D
Route, and GoTriangle Routes of Chapel Hill Transit.
Entry and COVID-19 Protocols
• Meeting Room B is to the right from the main entrance.
• Visitors and employees will self-screen. Do not enter if you have these
symptoms: Fever, chills, cough, sore throat, shortness of breath, loss of taste
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or smell, headache, muscle pain
• Attendees are encouraged to wear masks in the building and may sit
physically distanced.
ROLL CALL
OPENING
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS
AGENDA ITEMS
1. Develop a Master Plan for Design and Rebuild of [22-0843]
Chapel Hill Fire Stations and Facilities.
PRESENTER: Vencelin Harris, Jr., Fire Chief
Stacey Graves, Deputy Fire Chief
The purpose of this item is to share information about planning to
replace Chapel Hill Fire Department facilities.
2. Update on Five-Year Budget Strategy for FY23-34. [22-0844]
PRESENTER: Maurice Jones, Town Manager
The purpose of this item is to receive this update and share
feedback.
3. Shaping Our Future - Stormwater Regulations [22-0845]
Review.
PRESENTER: Diedra McEntyre, Principal Planner
The purpose of this item is for the Council receive the presentation
and provide feedback.
REQUEST FOR CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
PROPERTY ACQUISITION, PERSONNEL, AND/OR LITIGATION MATTERS
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