Town Council
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · March 15, 2023
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Town Council Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes - Final
Mayor Pam Hemminger Council Member Paris Miller-Foushee
Mayor pro tem Karen Stegman Council Member Michael Parker
Council Member Jessica Anderson Council Member Amy Ryan
Council Member Camille Berry Council Member Adam Searing
Council Member Tai Huynh
Wednesday, March 15, 2023 6:30 PM Library Meeting Room B
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ROLL CALL
Present: 7 - Mayor pro tem Karen Stegman, Council Member Jessica
Anderson, Council Member Camille Berry, Council Member
Paris Miller-Foushee, Council Member Tai Huynh, Council
Member Michael Parker, and Council Member Amy Ryan
Excused: 2 - Mayor Pam Hemminger, and Council Member Adam Searing
OTHER ATTENDEES
Interim Town Manager Chris Blue, Deputy Town Manager Loryn Clark, Town Attorney Ann Anderson,
Assistant to the Town Manager Ross Tompkins, Affordable Housing and Community Connections
Director Sarah Viñas, Business Management Director Amy Oland, Assistant Business Management
Director Matt Brinkley, Assistant Planning Director Judy Johnson, Economic Development and Parking
Services Director Dwight Bassett, Public Works Director Lance Norris, Planning Director Britany
Waddell, Transit Director Brian Litchfield, Public Housing Director Faith Brodie, Interim Parks and
Recreation Director Atuya Cornwell, Technology Solutions Director Chris Butts, Senior Planner Tas
Lagoo, Housing Operations Manager Lisa Edwards, Urban Designer Brian Peterson, Transit Assistant
Director Nick Pittman, Emergency Management Coordinator Kelly Drayton, Fire Management Analyst
Ryan Campbell, Mayoral Assistant Jeanne Brown, Police Officer Steven Bradley, and Communications
and Public Affairs Director/Town Clerk Sabrina Oliver.
OPENING
Mayor pro tem Stegman opened the work session at 6:31 p.m. and reviewed the
agenda. She said that Mayor Hemminger was attending a family funeral and
that Council Member Searing would be absent as well.
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS
0.01 Mayor Pro-tem Stegman Regarding Creek Week. [23-0225]
Mayor pro tem Stegman said that several events had been scheduled for
Creek Week (March 17-26), including a clean-up along the Roberson Bike
Path in Carrboro on March 18th from 1:00-4:00 p.m. More information on
Bike Week activities was on the Town's website, she said.
0.02 Mayor Pro-tem Stegman Regarding Next Week's Council [23-0226]
Meeting.
Mayor pro tem Stegman said that the Council's next regular business
meeting would be held at Town Hall on March 22 at 7:00 p.m.
0.03 Mayor Pro-tem Stegman Regarding Upcoming Joint [23-0227]
Hearing with Orange County.
Mayor pro tem Stegman pointed out that the Council would participate in a
joint hearing with Orange County on April 20th at 7:00 p.m.
AGENDA ITEMS
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1. Discuss FY 2024 Budget and Five-Year Budget Planning. [23-0221]
Interim Town Manager Chris Blue said that Enterprise Fund managers
would present their budget challenges and staff would present possible
funding scenarios to meet short- and long-term Town needs. He would
then ask the Council for feedback on the level of a proposed tax increase,
he said.
Transit Director Brian Litchfield presented an update on his department's
financial challenges. He pointed out that inflation was affecting costs for
everything and that revenues were not keeping up with expenses.
Demands for service continued to grow and Transit Partners (Chapel Hill,
Carrboro and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill) would need to
discuss ways to fund those in the future, he said.
Mr. Litchfield discussed staffing recruitment and retention challenges. He
noted increased costs associated with building a North-South Bus Rapid
Transit system (N-S BRT) and purchasing zero emission buses and
infrastructure. He said that Transit's $31.4 million budget included $18.9
million from the Transit Partners, $2.5 million from the federal
government, $3.2 million from the state, $4 million from the Orange
County Transit Plan, and $2.7 million from other sources such as grants.
Seventy percent of revenue went to personnel, and only about 6 percent
remained for utilities, liability insurance, technology, and so forth, he
said.
Mr. Litchfield told the Council that Transit's five-year expenses would
include people, services, facilities, vehicles, the NS-BRT project, and
sustainability initiatives. He planned to utilize existing funding sources
as well as federal grants for the upcoming year, but the Transit Partners
would need to address future challenges, he said.
Director of Economic Development and Parking Services Dwight Bassett
said that Parking was a self-generating fund based on fees. His goal had
been to increase the Downtown parking demand, occupancy and revenue,
he said. He pointed out that occupancy had reached or surpassed
pre-pandemic levels and that revenue had been increasing.
Mr. Bassett said that the Parking budget was $6.1 million and that $1
million of that went to staffing, $3.8 million went to debt service, and
$1.4 million was for operations, maintenance, and technology. Future
needs would include addressing deferred maintenance, repairing and
replacing parking meters, and improving technology at Town lots and
decks, he said.
Public Housing (PH) Director Faith Brodie pointed out that she had recently
presented information to Council about increased costs associated with
salaries, additional positions, and building preservation. She said that 60
percent of PH's budget went to salaries, 20 percent went to operating and
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programming expenses, and 15 percent went to internal services costs.
Having to adjust expenses in order to absorb the cost of salary increases
had resulted in a flat budget this year, she said.
Ms. Brodie said that some PH tenants had not returned to their
pre-pandemic rate of rent payments. She explained that the Town's U.S.
Housing and Urban Development Department (HUD) score would be
improved once Trinity Court was developed, and those empty units were
removed from the Town's portfolio. Grant funding, operating funds, and
collected rent would allow the PH Department to operate well until 2025,
she said.
Public Works (PW) Director Lance Norris said that PW staff was currently
working to receive a good report from the National Pollution Discharge
Elimination System (NPDES), which evaluates the Town's Stormwater
program every five years. That was the greatest current challenge and
staff had been keeping on schedule with that, he said. He discussed
general PW responsibilities and pointed out that residents' stormwater
fees had been last increased in FY 2020. He said that $2.7 million of a
$5.9 million bond for the Booker Creek Watershed project had been issued
and that $3.2 million remained.
Business Management Director Amy Oland asked the Council to decide
between two tax increase scenarios: 4 cents, and 7.5 cents. Increasing
taxes would provide some level of funding for each of the priority areas
that the Council had identified, she said. She explained that a 4-cent
increase would allow the Town to begin catching up. She discussed
current backlogs in priority areas and explained how those could be
reduced with each of the two tax scenarios. A 7.5 cent increase would
eliminate the Town's entire $35.4 million backlog and let it begin to get
ahead, she said.
Ms. Oland pointed out that the five-year funding goal for affordable
housing (AH) was to increase the AH Development Reserve to a full
penny, which would enable 10 to 20 AH units per year. That would
address about 15 percent of the AH need and additional funding could be
obtained through another bond, a revolving loan fund, or some other type
of funding, she said.
In response to a request for clarification from Council Member Anderson,
Ms. Oland said that any claim that taxpayers were having to pay for the
East Rosemary Deck's overruns was incorrect. That would be funded by
the Town's Debt Fund and there would be no direct tax increase due to
that project, she said.
Council Member Parker confirmed with Ms. Brodie that PH's annual revenue
would be about $1.8 million, if all rents could be collected. She noted
that PH also received an annual capital grant (about $1.3 million last
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year) and federal operating funds ($937,000 last year). PH did not
currently receive state funding but had begun to apply for grants, she
said.
Mayor pro tem Stegman confirmed with Ms. Brodie that PH had a list of
contractors that it used on a regular basis but had been having difficulty
finding any to refurbish units when they were empty. Council Member
Parker suggested that staff explore joint contracting with other towns,
such as Durham, to get more leverage in the marketplace, and Ms. Brodie
agreed to look into that.
In response to a question from Mayor pro tem Stegman about what had
led to the Town's current financial situation, Manager Blue replied that
Town department heads had been encouraged to "toe the line" and had
tried to do so without pushing back. As prices went up, those managers
had squeezed their budgets, but the backlogs had eventually caught up,
he said. He emphasized that there were no bad actors, only a series of
years where the Town did not talk about the hard truths.
The Council spoke in favor of the 4 cent "catching up" scenario. They
recommended publicizing the real dollar impact of each scenario on
different tax levels and "over communicating" why there was a need to
raise taxes at the current time. They agreed that choosing the 7.5 cent
scenario would be a mistake, but some said that the Town should signal
that there would be gradual increases in coming years.
This item was received as presented.
2. UNC Health Care Development Update. [23-0222]
Senior Planner Tas Lagoo pointed out that the Council had seen a concept
plan for UNC Health Care's Eastowne project in Jan 2023 and said that the
current presentation would be a less formal update. Staff planned to
begin the public hearing process in April and was hoping for Council action
on the Conditional Zoning request in May 2023, he said.
Simon George, UNC Health vice president for Real Estate, pointed out that
UNC Health had told the Council in November 2022 that it would submit a
Conditional Zoning (CZ) application for a 1.6 to 1.8 million square-foot
healthcare campus that would include retail. He said that the original
plan had been to construct one building every three to five years and
reach build-out in approximately 25 years. However, UNC Health had
concluded that it needed to build its second medical office building
(MOB2) immediately, he said.
Bill Derks, a vice president with McAdams Company, showed the concept
plan and described the site's constraints, such as existing roadways and
Resource Conservation District (RCD) areas. He described recent changes
and pointed out that a green area in the center of the plan would remain.
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All the stream crossings, but one, had been eliminated in the northern 20
acres, he said.
Andy King, a partner with Gestalt Architecture and Design, said that Phase
2 of the development would be on the right side of the RCD with only one
stream crossing to connect the two campuses. He said that UNC Health
hoped that parking needs would lessen over the next 25 years and that
building on the northern 20 acres would not be necessary; however, a
parking structure would have to be part of the plan in case that did not
happen, he said.
Mr. King presented visuals showing that MOB2 would be approximately the
same height as MOB1. He indicated a tree-lined buffer along Highway
15-501 and said that the skyline would not be impacted by the proposed
development. He showed greenway connections through and around the
site. UNC Health had been working with Town staff to determine how the
project could fit in with the Town's Complete Community Framework, he
said.
David Parker, vice president with DCI, discussed a "traffic sensitivity
study" that had led to mitigating the originally 1.7 million down to 1.1
million square feet, and Mr. George pointed out that UNC Health had been
talking about 2.8 million square feet not too long ago.
Mr. George said that remaining outstanding points of negotiation included
the following: AH, which UNC Health was committed to and had been
exploring with Town staff; a pedestrian crossing at Highway 15-501; and a
payment ("tax in lieu") for public services. UNC had been evaluating what
it would mean for them to pay a proportional property tax, but all
additions -- such as AH, property taxes, and a pedestrian crossing -- came
at a cost, he pointed out. He said that his team had heard different
things from different Council Members and wanted to know what the
Council's general priorities were.
Mr. George said that UNC Health would hold a public information session
on March 20th and would then go before the Planning Commission. Their
goal was to open the public hearing on April 26th and look for a Council
vote on May 24, 2023, he said.
Council Members commented on how the project had come a long way
from the original proposal for 2.8 million square feet. They said that it
was going in the right direction, but they still hoped to avoid building a
parking deck in the northern 20 acres. Council Members Parker and Huynh
recommended that any agreement stipulate that building on the northern
20 acres would be the last one that UNC Health would ever construct
there. Council Member Huynh requested that a conservation easement be
put in place if UNC Health did not need to build in that area.
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The Council asked about the possibility of increasing the size of other
parking decks rather than building an additional one on the northern 20
acres, but the applicant team replied that doing so would mean that all
Eastowne's decks would be 10-stories tall. They showed a rendering of
what a 10-story deck would look like and said that 8 stories were the
tallest they had found in the Triangle area. They did not want patients to
have to drive around and around up to a tenth level, they said.
The Council and applicant discussed their mutual hope that the Town
would become less car-dependent over the next 25 years and that the
additional parking deck would not be needed. However, UNC Health
needed approval of the complete plan in order to entitle the additional 1.1
million square feet, Mr. George said.
The Council ascertained that all the parking decks would be clad with
materials that match the buildings.
Council Members Berry, Miller-Foushee and Huynh said that AH was their
top priority. Others agreed that AH was a town priority but said that they
wanted to know the relative value of each benefit in order to understand
the tradeoffs.
The Council emphasized the need to make sure that there was adequate
capacity for a nearby Gateway development, and Mr. Parker pointed out
that UNC Health would be required to submit a full-blown TIA before
developing MOB3 and MOB4. UNC Health might need to mitigate based
on actual conditions at that time, he said.
Council Member Anderson mentioned the need to maintain adequate
buffers after NC-DOT widened Highway 15-501. She and Mr. George
discussed the cost of building a pedestrian bridge or tunnel across
Highway 15-501, and Mr. George said that the Council should weigh that
among its priorities. Council Member Anderson recommended that a plan
for that crossing be in place before such a large project is entitled.
The Council confirmed with Ms. Johnson that staff intended that the
project would be entitled in May 2023 with some flexible conditions
regarding things like parking numbers that would change over time based
on demand. Ms. Johnson pointed out that the applicant had done a TIA
for MOB2. She said that staff had included specific mitigation measures
to address that. Council Member Parker confirmed that the applicant and
staff had been working on a stipulation to lessen the need for parking by
investing in more housing or buses.
Town Attorney Ann Anderson reminded the Council that a CZ was not an
iterative process and that the project would not typically return to the
Council unless it needed to be modified. Because of the 25-year
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build-out, the Eastowne project would be less specific than those that the
Council was accustomed to seeing, she said. Despite the difficulty of
working with the build-out time, staff's hope was that the CZ would be
done well enough that it would not need to be modified, she said.
This item was received as presented.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 8:45 p.m.
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Town Council Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Mayor Pam Hemminger Council Member Paris Miller-Foushee
Mayor pro tem Karen Stegman Council Member Michael Parker
Council Member Jessica Anderson Council Member Amy Ryan
Council Member Camille Berry Council Member Adam Searing
Council Member Tai Huynh
Wednesday, March 15, 2023 6:30 PM Library Meeting Room B
Language Access Statement
In-Person Meeting Notification
View the Meeting
• Public attendance is welcome.
• We will not live stream the event, but will provide the Post-Meeting Video
https://www.townofchapelhill.org/councilvideo/
• The Town of Chapel Hill wants to know more about who participates in its
programs and processes, including Town Council meetings.
• Participate in a voluntary demographic survey
https://www.townofchapelhill.org/demosurvey.
Parking
• Parking is available at the Library lots. The Library is served by CL Route, D
Route, and GoTriangle Routes of Chapel Hill Transit
Entry and COVID-19 Protocols
• Meeting Room B is to the right from the main entrance.
• Visitors and employees will self-screen. Do not enter if you have these
symptoms: Fever, chills, cough, sore throat, shortness of breath, loss of taste
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ROLL CALL
OPENING
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS
AGENDA ITEMS
1. Discuss FY 2024 Budget and Five-Year Budget [23-0221]
Planning.
PRESENTERS: Chris Blue, Interim Town Manager
Amy Oland, Business Management Director
Brian Litchfield, Transit Director
Dwight Bassett, Economic Development & Parking Services Director
Faith Brodie, Housing Director
Lance Norris, Public Works Director
The purpose of this item is for the Council to continue the FY 2024
budget discussion and five-year budget planning to give staff
direction in order to prepare the Manager’s Recommended Budget.
2. UNC Health Care Development Update. [23-0222]
PRESENTER: Tas Lagoo, Senior Planner
The purpose of this item is for the Council receive the presentation
and provide feedback.
REQUEST FOR CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
PROPERTY ACQUISITION, PERSONNEL, AND/OR LITIGATION MATTERS
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