Town Council
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · February 21, 2024
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Town Council Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes - Final
Mayor Jessica Anderson Council Member Theodore Nollert
Mayor pro tem Amy Ryan Council Member Adam Searing
Council Member Camille Berry Council Member Elizabeth Sharp
Council Member Melissa McCullough Council Member Karen Stegman
Council Member Paris Miller-Foushee
Wednesday, February 21, 2024 6:00 PM Library Meeting Room B
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ROLL CALL
Present: 9 - Mayor Jessica Anderson, Mayor pro tem Amy Ryan, Council
Member Camille Berry, Council Member Paris
Miller-Foushee, Council Member Adam Searing, Council
Member Karen Stegman, Council Member Theodore Nollert,
Council Member Melissa McCullough, and Council Member
Elizabeth Sharp
OTHER ATTENDEES
Town Manager Chris Blue, Deputy Town Manager Mary Jane Nirdlinger, Deputy Town Manager Loryn
Clark, Town Attorney Ann Anderson, Assistant Planning Director Judy Johnson, Senior Planner Tas
Lagoo, Planning Manager Corey Liles, Governance Services Director/Town Clerk Sabrina Oliver,
Principal Planner of Historic Preservation Anya Grahn-Federmack, Planning Director Britany Waddell,
Executive Director for Strategic Communications Susan Brown, Business Management Director Amy
Oland, Transportation Manager Bergen Watterson, Planner II Jacob Hunt, Affordable Housing and
Community Connections Director Sarah Viñas, Senior Planner Katherine Shor, Planner II Charnika
Harrell, Community Development Program Manager Megan Culp, Principal Planner Tas Lagoo, Director
of Employee Engagement and Organizational Development Anita Badrock, Officer Bryan Mister, Deputy
Town Clerk Amy Harvey, Assistant Town Clerk Brenton Hodge.
OPENING
Mayor Jessica Anderson called the work session to order at 6:00 p.m. She
summarized the agenda and explained work session rules. She said that the
Council would hold work sessions on various topics throughout the spring and
that Town staff would conduct public information meetings as well.
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS
0.01 Mayor Anderson Regarding Community Sustainability [24-0093]
Office.
Mayor Anderson said that the Northside and Pine Knolls neighborhoods
had worked with the Marion Cheek Jackson Center on a tree-planting
project that was funded by a grant from the Orange County Community
Climate Action Fund.
0.02 Mayor Anderson Regarding the Council's Next Meeting. [24-0094]
Mayor Anderson announced that the next Council business meeting would
be held at Town Hall on March 6th at 6:00 p.m.
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0.03 Mayor Anderson Regarding Early Birthday Wishes for [24-0095]
Council Member Berry.
The Mayor and Council extended an early Happy Birthday to Council
Member Berry.
0.04 Council Member Nollert Regarding Get Out The Vote Drive [24-0096]
at UNC.
Council Member Nollert said that a "get out the vote" event would be held
on UNC campus at 11:30 a.m. on February 28th.
AGENDA ITEMS
1. Rewriting Our Rules - A LUMO Update [24-0078]
Executive Director for Strategic Communications Susan Brown said that
staff would soon release multiple forms of messaging that would keep the
community informed about the Town's Land Use Management Ordinance
(LUMO) updating process. Those messages would convey the Town's
vision for a more connected, sustainable, accessible and inclusive future,
she said. She described soon-to-be-launched online opportunities that
would increase community awareness and connect with historically
under-engaged residents.
Principal Planner Tas Lagoo spoke about plans to increase the number of
public information meetings and other meaningful interactions between
Town staff and residents. He said that staff would meet with a broad
range of stakeholders, including under-engaged community members, that
have important and useful insights. Staff would provide the Council with
an Engagement and Communications Report, which would include
summaries of its community outreach efforts as well as policy discussions
and outreach schedule updates, he said. He said that release of a draft
LUMO in late summer would kick off an even more robust series of public
meetings and work sessions.
Council Member Nollert and Mr. Lagoo discussed the Council's messaging
role. Council Member Stegman said that messaging was primarily staff’s
job, but she emphasized the need for guardrails to protect staff members
from burning out. Mayor Anderson said that the Town Manager and the
Planning Director were both intent on making sure that staff members
were treated well by the public. In addition, she and the Council were
willing to support staff by coming and explaining expectations to
participants, the Mayor said.
In response to questions from Council, Ms. Brown explained that a public
input site would include robust progress reports. Mr. Lagoo added that
Council members would receive a Communication and Engagement Report
that would include summaries of public meetings as well as demographic
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information on participants. Council Member Stegman confirmed that
small developers who hoped to work in Town would be included in
meetings as well.
Council members asked for a feedback loop regarding how staff intends to
address what it hears from the Council. They also suggested letting
participants know at the start of meetings what the scope and format
would be and what would be expected of participants.
Mr. Lagoo discussed an Alignment Memo (AM) that was a set of
recommendations and links to adopted Town plans that would inform all
policy discussions going forward. He gave a PowerPoint overview of what
staff intended to present for Council discussions over the following
months and asked for feedback regarding any needed additions or
changes.
Mayor pro tem Ryan and Mr. Lagoo discussed how by-right development
would be addressed at the beginning, middle, and end of the policy
discussions. Once there was a clear picture of what the LUMO could
provide, then staff would ask the Council what scale of the development
would need to be elevated to the Council level.
Mayor Anderson confirmed with Mr. Lagoo that Town staff and consultants
were in the process of determining how to get what the Town wants by
means other than zoning. She asked what aspects other than scale might
be handled administratively. For example, could there be an expedited
path given in return for benefits, such as is given for AH?
Mr. Lagoo replied that scale was by no means the only factor. The rules
that the Town sets could lead certain developers to go down a path that
takes them to the Council, he said. He pointed out that an unintentional
consequence of the current LUMO was that by right allowances were so
restricted that developers were forced to come to the Council because
they could not otherwise do much that was economically viable.
Planning Director Britany Waddell pointed out that most things were
by-right in other municipalities and only came to their councils for special
exemptions from regulations.
Mr. Lagoo presented the following 10 key concepts for Council
discussion.
1) State Law & Local Zoning
Mr. Lagoo pointed out that the Town's zoning and land use options were
limited by state laws that were subject to change. Therefore, the Town
needed to be creative and think outside that box, he said.
Council Member Berry mentioned the importance of sharing that
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information about state laws with the public at meetings. Council Member
McCullough asked for more information about incentive programs that
were being used in other municipalities and proposed including that
information in Town conversations about incentivizing.
In response to Council comments, Town Attorney Ann Anderson said that
the General Assembly could generally override any existing Town charter,
and the LUMO. The Town must comply and amend its ordinances
accordingly and there was no guarantee that anything it currently had
authority to do would last past the next General Assembly session, she
said.
2) LUMO & Zoning Map
Mr. Lagoo pointed out that the Town needed to update its LUMO and
Zoning Map in order to fully realize its vision for Complete Community
(CC). Staff had been working on the new LUMO and the Zoning Map would
be the next phase in the process, he said.
Mayor Anderson and Mr. Lagoo discussed how the Future Land Use Map
(FLUM) informed and guided the Town's decision making. The FLUM
helped to determine expectations but did not guarantee what zoning
decisions would look like, Mr. Lagoo pointed out. He said that staff would
refresh the FLUM to reflect current thinking once the LUMO and Zoning
Map processes had been completed.
3) Small-Scale Commercial
Mr. Lagoo pointed out that the LUMO could promote, but could not ensure
new, small-scale, commercial uses in Town. However, the Town could
create a conducive environment and replicate those patterns throughout
Town, he said. He explained that such an approach would include
rethinking parking mandates, would adjust permitting requirements, and
encouraging the residential density that is critical for small businesses to
thrive.
Council Member Berry pointed out that other tools -- such as rooftop
amenities and transit routes -- helped to create such environments as
well. Council Member Sharp said it would be helpful to know the
difference between how the LUMO could create conditions that make it
profitable for developers to build commercial space and those that make it
possible for businesses to operate in those areas. She also wondered
what could be done to make it more attractive to build something that
includes commercial space, she said.
In response to a question about what would complement the Planning
Department's work, Mr. Lagoo said that wrap-around policies, services and
programs as well as changes to other regulatory mechanisms, would be a
good topic for a Council Committee on Economic Sustainability discussion.
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Council Member Sharp asked that staff provide more information on what
the Town could and could not legally do.
Mayor pro tem Ryan pointed out that conditional zoning allowed the
Council to select places where the conditions were right for commercial
development. She cautioned, however, against trying to make the
conditions right and hoping the market would deliver.
Council Member McCullough pointed out the importance of working with
the Town's Economic Development Officer in a timely way that would allow
affordable businesses to participate. Including something about flexibility
of use in the LUMO could facilitate that, she said, and Mr. Lagoo replied
that allowing future approval when Conditional Zoning applications come
before the Council would add flexibility as well.
When asked about the best way to achieve staff's vision, Mr. Lagoo said
that the LUMO, land use regulations/policies/programs, and capital
investments were the three main avenues. The Town could not
conditional zone someone against their will, but it could be thoughtful
about how it uses traditional conditional rezoning, he said.
Council Member Nollert asked for more information on what staff believed
could be accomplished with the most ambitious planning possible and if
conditional zoning would advance Town goals in various parts of Town.
Mayor Anderson confirmed with Mr. Lagoo that the next Council work
session would address community benefits and would focus on possible
avenues for achieving Town goals other than conditional zoning. She said
that she and the Council wanted to understand the different options and
trade-offs related to administrative approval. The Council wanted as
much to be done administratively as possible, as long as that achieved
Town goals, such as excellence, Complete Community and placemaking,
she said. She said that the Council wanted to understand what the
Town’s future options were and would like more information regarding
trade-off criteria.
4) Housing in a College Town
Mr. Lagoo pointed out that there had been a steady increase in demand
for student housing, especially near UNC campus and along transit
corridors. According to state law, the Town could not have rules based on
who lives in a particular type of development, so it needed to determine
how to regulate residential development based on what it wants in areas
where the increase is certain to happen, he said.
Mayor pro tem Ryan commented that building student housing was
economically compelling, but it fought against other Town goals. She was
interested in building housing with interior styles that anyone could live
in, she said, and Council Member McCullough asked about the possibility
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of incentivizing such interior designs by shortening the process.
Mayor Anderson clarified that Council members were not opposed to
students per se but wanted more, year-round residents, especially in
strategic areas of Town. The Council was interested in knowing if there
was a way to regulate a housing typology that anyone could live in, she
said.
Council Member Nollert said that regulating interiors was his preference as
well, but he wanted to weigh that against purpose-built student housing.
If the Town could not get the type of housing that anyone could live in
then it would have to build student housing because UNC was not
planning to do so, he said.
Mayor Anderson commented that she was less pessimistic about UNC but
thought that the University would be less motivated to partner with the
Town if the Town took on outside partnerships.
5) By-Right Development
Mr. Lagoo asked if the Council wanted to allow by-right development, as
long as it achieved Complete Community (CC) goals.
Mayor pro tem Ryan emphasized the importance of understanding exactly
what the commitment was (including what was being given up) and the
available options if the Town does not get the CC features it wants.
Mayor Anderson said that she remained in favor of by-right development,
but wanted to discuss what could be obtained through other means as
well. She stressed the importance of knowing what the Council would be
losing if it gave up the ability to negotiate.
Council Member Sharp said that by-right development would be less
cumbersome for the Council and staff. However, she wanted to see the
benefits more clearly delineated and to know exactly how the Town would
get the outcomes it wanted, she said.
Council Member Miller Foushee pointed out that a project could potentially
check all of the right boxes in the LUMO and still not be what the Town
wanted. However, she believed that the process would include conditions
that would allow the Council to promote, allow, encourage and create the
CC environment that it wanted, she said.
Council member McCullough spoke about the importance of protecting
sensitive ecosystems. She said that it was possible to set up zoning
conditions that would allow environmental protections to be by-right in
some zoning districts while requiring protections in another district to be
negotiated.
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Mr. Lagoo described a zoning map tool that would allow staff to determine
by-right, or not, based on location. Ms. Waddell pointed out, though, that
staff would still check what developers brought in against what was
realistic and would always inform the Council.
The Council and Mr. Lagoo discussed how the revised LUMO would include
incentives that make it more attractive and advantageous to build what
the Town wanted. Council Members Berry and Miller-Foushee spoke about
making Council expectations clearer in the LUMO. Mayor Anderson said, in
summary, that the Council wanted to better understand the trade-offs and
wanted expectations in the LUMO to be clear and aligned with the CC
Framework.
6) Drive-Throughs
Mr. Lagoo reminded the Council that drive-throughs were currently allowed
with a Special Use Permit (SUP) in several zoning districts. Although
there were concerns about emissions and streetscape/walkability impacts,
drive-throughs could be a key part of having a more economically resilient
community, he said. He asked for the Council's guidance on whether
drive-throughs should be more or less restricted.
Several Council Members expressed a preference for keeping the SUP
requirement, except for places such as pharmacies and banks. Mayor
Anderson said that she hoped to make it difficult to put drive-throughs in
places that the Council wanted to be walkable. Council members had
different perspectives but did not want a proliferation of drive-throughs in
Town and wanted those that were allowed to be environmentally friendly,
she said.
7) Shelters for people experiencing homelessness
Mr. Lagoo noted that shelters were currently allowed in Town with an SUP.
He said that a major goal of LUMO work was to inject more equity. He
provided the following ways to explore moving beyond the status:
differentiating shelters by size; allowing some by-right in some zoning
districts; expanding zoning districts in which shelters were possible. He
asked for feedback from the Council on those possibilities.
Council Members Miller-Foushee and Stegman spoke in favor of a policy
that would allow shelters anywhere in Town and that might include
converting hotels or other facilities. Council Member Miller-Foushee said
that the Town's land-use policy should allow creativity, such as converting
a single-family home or school into a shelter when such opportunities
arose. Council Member Stegman confirmed with Mr. Lagoo that single
room occupancy could fit within the LUMO's definition of a shelter as long
as it was temporary.
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Mayor pro tem Ryan asked for more information about size distinctions
and proposed discussing whether the Town should allow shelters by-right
or through a community process. Mayor Anderson said she wondered if
some places would be better for shelters than others and if there should
be criteria regarding those that allow better access to transportation and
services. She clarified that she was not proposing to prohibit any
locations but wanted to be as thoughtful as possible about the right
locations.
8) Commercial to Residential Conversions/Houses at Places of
Worship
Mr. Lagoo said that no one in Town had shown interest in converting
underutilized commercial spaces into residential use, and he proposed
keeping that possibility in mind for future discussions. He said that local
non-profits had expressed interest in pursuing the idea of co-locating
housing at places of worship, though, and that there were ways in which
the Town could do so. He pointed out that zoning could a potential
barrier with both approaches, however.
Council Member Miller-Foushee commented on the urgent need for housing
and confirmed with Mr. Lagoo that some non-profits were ready to partner
with places of worship if the Town could create a pathway for doing so.
She and Mr. Lagoo discussed addressing the idea during the LUMO rewrite
and then making systemic changes as well. She and Council Member
McCullough spoke about trying to create an environment that would also
welcome commercial property conversions.
Council Member Sharp confirmed with staff that a LUMO change would not
be needed to allow housing on church property. Council Member
McCullough said that making such an ability by-right for places of worship
might be an opportunity to incentivize other things as well, such as
shelters and rooming houses. Mayor Anderson confirmed with Mr. Lagoo
that converting a defunct shopping mall or hotel to residential use would
be expensive and difficult.
9) Environmental Protection/Research Conservation District (RCD)
Mr. Lagoo pointed out that providing housing while remaining green
involved significant tradeoffs. He gave examples of how a pending
Natural Areas Map would help staff take better stock of the Town's natural
assets when determining how Resource Conservation District (RCD) rules
should be implemented. He asked if there should be additional
considerations for developments on small parcels where current RCD
regulations might have an outsized impact on the property's
developability. He pointed out that the Council almost always modifies
buffers when conditional zonings come before it.
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Council Member Nollert said that he needed more context, such as the
number of parcels that would be affected, in order to answer staff's
question. Council Member McCullough and Mayor pro tem Ryan expressed
reluctance to even discuss such actions without seeing the Natural
Resource Map. Mayor pro tem Ryan said that a toolbox from the state
could help towns implement good ecological practices. She commented on
how much RCD incursion the Town had already given away.
Mayor pro tem Ryan said that she was not sure Town staff was currently
set up to do the kind of nuanced and contextual analysis needed to make
such environmental decisions. She raised the idea of developing an
incentive program whereby those who were doing important conservation
on their sites would get expedited review.
Council Member Berry and Mr. Lagoo discussed how adjusting rules based
on criteria informed by the Natural Areas Map could be contextual. She
proposed being open to not holding people to rules that apply to their
neighbors but not to them. Council Member McCullough commented on
how something done on one piece of property could impact everything
downstream, and several Council members noted that Orange County's
approach to land use was extremely important to the Town for that
reason.
Mayor Anderson stressed the importance of being led by science and
evidence. She was not as worried about the size of a property as she was
about whether it included something sensitive that should not be touched,
she said. She confirmed with Mr. Lagoo that some parcels in Town were
not developable.
Ms. Waddell confirmed with Council members that they were open to staff
bringing scenarios that could affect Town rules regarding development in
the RCD. Mayor Anderson and Mayor pro tem Ryan asked that staff
materials include options that enhance protections, and the Mayor said
that the Council was interested in hearing about tradeoffs as well. Council
Member McCollough said that she wanted to understand well enough to be
able to set criteria for determining which projects could go ahead and
which ones needed to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Council
Member Miller-Foushee asked staff to remember when setting standards
that not all developers were equal in terms of assets.
10) Tree Protection and Landscaping Standards.
Mr. Lagoo pointed out that stringent regulations could advance climate
goals but could also create a more expensive community in which to build.
He asked if staff should explore options such as requiring more diverse
planting in developments, mandating best practices in new plantings, and
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mandating or incentivizing existing tree canopy preservation.
Council Member Sharp proposed exploring whether the Town's tree canopy
requirements should be more stringent, more strategic and more
effectively enforced.
Mr. Lagoo explained that an adjustment to tree canopy would only be
considered if it were paired with a protection that met Town goals in a
more meaningful way. This might include pairing an overall tree canopy
requirement with a strong interest in preserving existing tree canopy, he
said. He noted that there were no current incentives for developers to
preserve existing tree canopy.
Council Member Stegman praised the approach of fine-tuning the policy in
a way that would balance both interests. Council Member McCullough
agreed and recommended enhancing biodiversity by preserving or
incentivizing native plantings and small stands of intact forests. She also
emphasized the importance of shade for anything impervious, especially
sidewalks and roads.
Mayor pro tem Ryan agreed with the idea of incentivizing preservation and
said that the Town's design manual should include more diversity and
more native plantings. She stated that the Town's current buffer
standards were unrealistic and proposed having a package of
environmental incentives.
Council Member Miller-Foushee requested information on how the LUMO
might address what mandating would mean with regard to cost for the
Town's affordable housing partners.
Mayor Anderson emphasized her interest in preserving wildlife corridors.
Whatever regulations the Council ultimately decided upon should apply to
all housing types, she said. She requested information on ways to assist
the Town's affordable housing partners without reducing environmental
requirements. She wanted the Town to be stringent about protecting
what was important but do so in a smart and creative way, she said.
This item was received as presented.
ADJOURNMENT
This meeting was adjourned 9:08 p.m.
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Agenda
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TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Town Council Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Mayor Jessica Anderson Council Member Theodore Nollert
Mayor pro tem Amy Ryan Council Member Adam Searing
Council Member Camille Berry Council Member Elizabeth Sharp
Council Member Melissa McCullough Council Member Karen Stegman
Council Member Paris Miller-Foushee
Wednesday, February 21, 2024 6:00 PM Library Meeting Room B
Language Access Statement
In-Person Meeting Notification
Changes to meeting start time
• Meetings (business and work sessions) begin at 6 PM to potentially allow
for greater community participation and meetings that end earlier.
Changes in Meeting Material content
• You’ll notice streamlined reports and hyperlinks to supporting documents.
• Staff presentations will be posted after the meeting to allow more time to
prepare high-quality presentations.
View the Meeting
• Public attendance is welcome, and limited to room capacity
• We will not live stream the event, but will provide the Post-Meeting Video
https://www.townofchapelhill.org/councilvideo/
• The Town of Chapel Hill wants to know more about who participates in its
programs and processes, including Town Council meetings.
• Participate in a voluntary demographic survey before viewing online or in
person - https://www.townofchapelhill.org/demosurvey
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ROLL CALL
OPENING
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS
AGENDA ITEMS
1. Rewriting Our Rules - A LUMO Update [24-0078]
PRESENTERS: Tas Lagoo, Principal Planner
Katherine Shor, Senior Planner
Planning Department staff will share updates and request feedback
on the Rewriting Our Rules project.
REQUEST FOR CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
PROPERTY ACQUISITION, PERSONNEL, AND/OR LITIGATION MATTERS
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