Town Council
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · May 3, 2024
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Town Council Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes - Final
Mayor Jessica Anderson Council Member Theodore Nollert
Mayor pro tem Amy Ryan Council Member Adam Searing
Council Member Camille Berry Council Member Elizabeth Sharp
Council Member Melissa McCullough Council Member Karen Stegman
Council Member Paris Miller-Foushee
Friday, May 3, 2024 8:00 AM RM 110 | Council Chamber
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Entry and Speakers
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• Entrance on the ground floor.
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ROLL CALL
Present: 9 - Mayor Jessica Anderson, Mayor pro tem Amy Ryan, Council
Member Camille Berry, Council Member Paris
Miller-Foushee, Council Member Adam Searing, Council
Member Karen Stegman, Council Member Theodore Nollert,
Council Member Melissa McCullough, and Council Member
Elizabeth Sharp
OTHER ATTENDEES
Town Manager Chris Blue, Deputy Town Manager Mary Jane Nirdlinger, Deputy Town Manager Loryn
Clark, Town Attorney Ann Anderson, Executive Director of Strategic Communications and Marketing
Susan Brown, Business Management Director Amy Oland, Business Management Assistant Director
Matthew Brinkley, Chief of Staff Jeanne Brown, Police Officer Jabe Shick, Governance Services
Director/Town Clerk Sabrina Oliver, and Deputy Town Clerk Amy Harvey.
OPENING
Mayor Anderson called the work session to order at 8:00 a.m. Council Members
Berry, Miller-Foushee and Searing were present. Council Members Nollert and
McCullough arrived at 8:01 a.m. and Council Members Stegman and Sharp
arriving at 8:04 a.m. and 8:10 a.m., respectively.
Mayor Anderson said that the work session's purpose was to discuss whether to
bring a bond referendum before Chapel Hill voters in 2024. If the Council
decided to go forward with a bond, then it would need to determine spending
categories and amounts as well, she said. She pointed out that no formal
Council vote would take place until a Regular Council Business Meeting.
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS
AGENDA ITEM
1. Bond Referendum - Further Consideration & Discussion [24-0254]
Town Manager Chris Blue summarized the Council's previous discussions
regarding the bond and emphasized the need for a consensus on orders
and amounts in order to put a referendum on the ballot in November 2024.
He outlined a tight timeline that included setting ballot questions and a
referendum date by June 17, 2024. The referendum, if passed, would
include three separate issuances of approximately $13.5 million in 2025,
$10-15 million in 2027, and $10-15 million in 2029/2030, he said.
Mr. Blue reviewed staff's original April 15th recommendation, which had
included the following: $15 million for Public Safety Facilities, $10 million
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for Affordable Housing (AH), $10 million for Streets and Sidewalks, $4.5
million for Parks and Recreation, $2.5 million for Public Facilities, $2
million for Open Space and Greenways, and $1.7 million for the Police
Station Upfit. That proposed breakdown would address multiple needs
across Town departments and advance many aspects of the Council's
Complete Community strategy, he said.
Mr. Blue then presented a revised recommendation, which he had prepared
in response to the Council's request, that proposed increasing AH to $15
million by reducing the allocations for both Public Facilities and Streets
and Sidewalks by $2.5 million each. He discussed the tradeoffs that were
the result of having limited resources but many capital needs.
In response to prior comments by some Council Members, Mr. Blue also
presented a scenario that would allocate $20 million for AH by reducing
Streets and Sidewalks, Parks and Recreation, and Open Space/Greenways
by $1.5 million, $1.5 million and $2 million, respectively. He pointed out
that such a scenario would commit nearly half of the total bond amount to
one bond order. Those funds could not be reallocated to another order if
they could not be spent, he said.
Mr. Blue explained that both revised scenarios would continue to defer
many capital projects, such as Connectivity and Sustainability in
particular. Staff was continuing to recommend $15 million for AH, he said.
As the Council's discussion began, Council Members Ryan, Searing,
McCullough and Sharp spoke in favor of $15 million for AH. Council
Members Berry and Miller-Foushee said they were committed to $20
million, and Council Members Stegman and Nollert did not express a
specific preference.
Mayor pro tem Ryan pointed out that the Manager had increased AH from
$10 million to $15 million, and she commented on how the bond would
address Town needs and broad community's interests. Council Member
Stegman said $15 million seemed like an improvement but that $10
million had been far too low to begin with. She and Council Member
Miller-Foushee said that AH was being scrutinized in a way that other
categories were not.
Council Member Searing noted a proposed reduction in the Parks and
Recreation category and cautioned against creating a two-tier system of
recreation in Town. However, he did understand the Town's many
competing priorities and could support $15 million for AH, he said.
Council Member Berry asked several questions about Parks and Recreation
projects, fire stations, and anticipated AH projects. She said that she
would continue to advocate for $20 million for AH because the Town had
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several of those projects ready to go.
Council Member McCullough read a statement on her stance that said $15
million should allow the Town to start all its projected AH projects through
2028. Additional sources of funds would come after that, she said, and
she pointed out that Paths and Greenways and Transit projects addressed
equity issues as well.
Council Member Sharp said that allocating $15 million, rather than $20
million, would not mean the Council was turning its back on those who
need affordable housing. It was not a sufficient amount for AH, but there
was not enough money for any of the categories, she said.
Council Member Nollert pointed out that the community wanted AH,
connectivity and greenspace while the Council also needed to address
issues such as roads and fire stations. He proposed allocating $18.5
million to AH by taking funds from Parks and Recreation and Streets and
Sidewalks. If there were not enough Council votes for that, though, he
would vote for $15 million, he said.
Council Member Miller-Foushee said that she would agree to $18.5 million
for AH even though she preferred $20 million. She said that her intent
was not to neglect other Town needs, values and priorities -- but that
people were living in tents Chapel Hill's wooded areas.
Council Member Berry said she would consider $18.5 million as well but
was concerned about what might be cut to achieve that. Council Member
Searing spoke against the $18.5 million proposal because it would take
money from Parks and Recreation, which he said had become "the piggy
bank' for the last decade or so despite its many needs. Mayor pro tem
Ryan also said that the $18.5 proposal would mean a 70 percent cut in
Parks and Recreation and that she was in favor of doing the repairs and
retrofitting there that staff had recommended.
Some Council Members began to talk about deferring specific projects, but
Mayor pro tem Ryan expressed concern that such a debate would delay the
bond and Mayor Anderson nodded her head in agreement. Mr. Blue
cautioned against "horse trading" at the current time and urged the
Council to decide on the broad categories. He said that staff would return
later with more information on project priorities.
With a show of hands, Mayor Anderson and Council Members Sharp, Ryan,
Searing, McCollough indicated support for staff's $15 million for AH
recommendation. The Mayor thanked the Council for listening to staff and
to each other and she thanked the staff for bringing several options. She
expressed excitement over being able to move forward with more capacity
to make Chapel Hill a more equitable, sustainable and green place to live.
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The Mayor inquired about agreement on moving forward with the revised staff
recommendations. The motion carried by the following vote:
Aye: 5 - Mayor Anderson, Mayor pro tem Ryan, Council Member
Searing, Council Member McCullough, and Council Member
Sharp
Nay: 4 - Council Member Berry, Council Member Miller-Foushee,
Council Member Stegman, and Council Member Nollert
ADJOURNMENT
This meeting was adjourned at 9:22 a.m.
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Town Council Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Mayor Jessica Anderson Council Member Theodore Nollert
Mayor pro tem Amy Ryan Council Member Adam Searing
Council Member Camille Berry Council Member Elizabeth Sharp
Council Member Melissa McCullough Council Member Karen Stegman
Council Member Paris Miller-Foushee
Friday, May 3, 2024 8:00 AM RM 110 | Council Chamber
Language Access Statement
In-Person Meeting Notification
View the Meeting
• View and participate in the Council Chamber.
• Live stream the meeting - https://chapelhill.legistar.com/Calendar.aspx
• Spectrum is replacing 1998 encoder that transmits programming to cable
channel 18. It remains offline until complete.
• The Town of Chapel Hill wants to know more about who participates in its
programs and processes, including Town Council meetings.
• Participate in a voluntary demographic survey before viewing online or in
person - https://www.townofchapelhill.org/demosurvey
Parking
• Parking is available at Town Hall lots and the lot at Stephens Street and
Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard.
• See http://www.parkonthehill.com for other public lots on Rosemary Street
• Town Hall is served by NS route and T route, and GoTriangle Routes of
Chapel Hill Transit.
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Entry and Speakers
• Entrance on the ground floor.
• Please do not bring signs.
ROLL CALL
OPENING
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS
AGENDA ITEM
1. Bond Referendum - Further Consideration & [24-0254]
Discussion
PRESENTER: Chris Blue, Town Manager
Amy Oland, Business Management Director
The purpose of this item is to continue discussions with Council
about a future referendum to affirm when to put on the ballot and
determine what bond orders/amounts will be included.
REQUEST FOR CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
PROPERTY ACQUISITION, PERSONNEL, AND/OR LITIGATION MATTERS
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