City Council - Utilities Committee
Regular MeetingChicopee, MA · May 5, 2021
Minutes
City of Chicopee
City Council
Utilities Committee
Members
Derek Dobosz, Chair
William Courchesne, Vice Chair
Joel McAuliffe APPROVED 9-9-2021
Robert Zygarowski
MINUTES
May 5, 2021
The following are the minutes of a public hearing held Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 6:30 PM in
the City Council Chambers, Fourth Floor, City Hall Annex, 274 Front Street, Chicopee, MA 01013
Members Present Dobosz, McAuliffe (Conference call), Zygarowski, Courchesne
Members Absent
Also Present Dan Garvey (Associate City Solicitor), Councilor Laflamme,
Councilor Tillotson (via zoom), Andrew Vernon (IT Chief
Information Officer), Jeff Cady (General Manager CEL), James
Lisowski (CEL), Councilor Krampits, Andrew Vernon (IT Chief
Information Officer)
The meeting was called to order at 6:30 PM
In compliance with the Open Meeting Law the Chairman asked if anyone in the audience was
recording the meeting. Seeing none the meeting continued.
ITEM #1
BE IT ORDERED THAT the Utilities Subcommittee meet to discuss fiber optic internet
by Chicopee Electric Light.
Jeff Cady stated they started the project in 2020 and starting building out fiber serving
areas. He stated that they had four months where they stopped doing installs due to
Covid19. Right now we are close to our one thousandth customers. He stated that we
have over forty five hundred customer passing’s right now, so forty five hundred people
can sign up for service and our goal is to double that by the end of this year. Our model
is based on interest and its interest in those areas that are assessable. He stated that
we have to wait for some areas to run fiber back there because of construction. He
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stated that the big issue right now is material delays which create problems with the
construction and expediting the project faster.
James Lisowski stated that the market is not flush with qualified fiber optic technicians
so there are some challenges filling spots that we had. We have a good team learning
the curb as we go. We are looking at about a dozen and a half fiber serving areas. He
stated that we just built a new central office on Front Street.
Jeff Cady stated until we have the right equipment you don’t want to put the customer
through long outage times.
Councilor Dobosz stated what are your thoughts on the municipal side.
Jeff Cady stated that it is not an issue. He assumed it was all served under the same
internet service.
James Lisowski stated you would have to provide a five hundred meg active service
here. He stated several of the building here are on that through the IT network and that
network goes through every building. He stated you may have to up the service a little to
accommodate the additional requirements.
Councilor Dobosz stated is there anything we can do to speed up the process.
Andrew Vernon stated that it would be a productive service saving the city money each
month over the Holyoke Gas and Electric service we had previously. He stated it makes
more services available such as public IP addresses so it’s a win three times over. He
stated that the same thing should progress for other city buildings but not school
buildings. Chicopee Electric Light is not a vendor considered under the eRate Program.
Councilor Zygarowski stated that the residents have to sign up for fiber optic internet.
You have to have enough people in the area to be able to get the internet.
Councilor Laflamme stated what is happening with the City Council meetings, last time
it was not televised.
Andrew Vernon stated the issue was not relevant to Chicopee Electric Light it was
specific to a modem problem Charter Spectrum.
Councilor McAuliffe asked why we are currently using eRate grant for internet service.
Andrew Vernon stated that eRate applies only to eligible schools and libraries. To
qualify a building up until this year in a qualifying school must be serving one hundred
percent free lunch out of that building. He stated that in Chicopee this past year the
school district paid approximately eighty three hundred dollars for layer one internet
service. He stated that the district receives about eighty five percent of funding for layer
one this past year which represents the fifteen percent. He stated that in the next five
years Chicopee is eligible under eRate approximately two millions dollars. This year we
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are going after seventy five thousand dollars that the school district will pay out of
pocket for layer two products, being the physical infrastructure and buildings the balance
will be paid by Universal Service Administrative Company (USAC).
Councilor McAuliffe stated what would you estimated the cost to provide the service to
all of our school buildings.
Jeff Cady stated that he’s not sure the level of service that they have and he would have
to see what service they’re looking to give any type of estimate.
Andrew Vernon stated a concrete number to City Hall for layer one service through CEL
we pay approximately eight hundred dollars per month. Over the course of twelve years
it comes out to the same number for the whole school district in all of their buildings to
have layer one service.
Councilor McAuliffe stated that it’s the utmost importance that we begin to move
forward in finding a way to make sure crossroads is the internet service provider for
each and every municipal building including our schools.
Councilor Dobosz stated that we want to support the City fiber optics instead of
supporting Charter Spectrum.
Councilor Tillotson asked if the modem used at the City Council meeting was new and
why it would not work. He stated that it should have lasted longer than that.
Andrew V ernon stated yes it is new and he will be discussing that with the Charter
Spectrum representative.
Councilor Dobosz stated that forty five hundred households have the ability to go on the
fiber optic and almost one thousand are customers now.
Jeff Cady stated that we are growing at a rate that doesn’t exceed what we have for
resources and allows us to make sure we can provide the right level of support. He
stated that we want those numbers to go up. We are starting some campaigns this year
and sending some materials out. He stated that there is no debt we have been using
reserves. He stated that revenues from the telecom pay for additional capital
expansion.
James Lisowski stated an average drop to an individual home cost about fifteen
hundred dollars to bring it to a home. At seventy dollars a month it takes a long time to
make back the actual cost for a drop.
Councilor Dobosz asked if people are paying their bills on time.
James Lisowski stated we are owed over two million dollars for protected accounts. He
stated on the internet side there is not shut off protection under the Department of Public
Utilities for internet service.
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Councilor Dobosz asked are there grants for state and federal funding that we can use.
Jeff Cady stated that we are always looking for grants. The federal grants are mostly for
the rural so we don’t qualify. He stated that there are stimulus funds and grants that we
can utilize.
Councilor McAuliffe asked what the take rate is to be making money on the surface so
that it continues to be profitable.
Jeff Cady stated that our goal was thirty five percent. We currently have marketing with
an outside firm, social media and signage. He estimated eighty thousand dollars for
marketing.
Councilor McAuliffe stated that the marketing budget needs to be bigger. He stated that
as the product grows and resources become available I imagine you’d be willing to
invest more money into the marketing.
Jeff Cady stated that the more we build this out the more we’ll be able to do more city
wide marketing.
James Lisowski stated it will be about twenty five million to complete the buildout.
Councilor McAuliffe stated that the American Rescue plan is allocating anywhere from
thirty plus million dollars in terms of funding from the Federal Government. It can be
spent on broadband. He stated that the federal government is to push municipal entities.
If you had twenty million dollars tomorrow do you think you would have the resources to
complete the build out.
Jeff Cady stated the faster we build it means we have to bring on more resources but
when it ends you’re going to have all these resources that you don’t need. We can do it
faster if we have more money but there is a threshold where I don’t think you’re going to
build it significantly faster.
James Lisowski stated that we originally went into this with a seven year build up but
the resources and the ability to manage has to all be considered. He stated that money
could accelerate that and open up other opportunities as far as rates and other types of
services.
Jeff Cady stated that the man power in house to manage all the customers, you would
need to hire new employees to meet the demand but you wouldn’t need them when you
got done. The employees you need for a big ramp up is different than the employees
you’re going to need after that’s done.
Councilor McAuliffe asked about the contractor perspective.
Jeff Cady stated you can ramp up the contractor part, it’s managing the new customers.
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James Lisowski stated that we ordered fiber optic cable in February or March and it’s
not expected until November.
Jeff Cady stated that funding can help speed this up but how many customers you can
bring on at a time is where the issue is.
James Lisowski stated that the infrastructure build- out and the accelerated rate by the
end of 2024.
Councilor McAuliffe stated that South Hadley had quite a bit of success in terms of their
build out. He stated that there’s now interest in Holyoke and Westfield.
Councilor McAuliffe asked if there was any discussion about regional collaborations.
Jeff Cady stated that we have talked about it and will look into it going forward. He
stated over time it might make sense to have some type of regional collaborations.
Councilor McAuliffe stated are there ways to create an education program for our
seniors to make them more likely to switch to crossroads and cut the cord.
Jeff Cady stated that they were planning on doing educational seminars with the seniors
and walk them through and explain the process.
Councilor Zygarowski stated he urges the residents to sign up for fiber optic interest
with the Chicopee Electric Light.
Jeff Cady stated they can call or go to our website to sign up right there.
James Lisowski stated that you get into a Que. We use contractors to do survey work
and they so they do survey work four days a week. We have three installation crews that
are doing installations four days a week. He stated that we are working with our
contractors to give us an additional resource on the install side. Each crew is doing
three installs a day.
Councilor Tillotson stated that he sees signs in his neighborhood and more people are
coming aboard going to Chicopee Electric Light for their internet.
Councilor Krampits stated that residents are used to watching their channels on the TV
and just hitting the channel button. It could be a challenge for seniors.
Councilor Dobosz stated he is getting fiber optic on May 19th and the whole process
has been very pleasant.
Councilor Zygarowski motion to place on file – Councilor Dobosz 2nd – motion passed
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Committee vote 3 – 0 favorable
ITEM #2
Minutes of February 18, 2021 – Council Zygarowski motion to approve the minutes –
Councilor Dobosz 2nd the motion – motion passed
Meeting adjourned 7:30 PM
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Agenda
Utilities Committee Meeting Agenda
Item #1
BE IT ORDERED THAT Utilities Sub-Committee meet to discuss fiber
optic internet by Chicopee Electric Light.
Item #2
Minutes – February 18, 2021
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