City Council
Regular MeetingCicero, IN · March 7, 2017
Minutes
TOWN OF CICERO
TOWN COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, March 7, 2017
At 7:00 PM
Call to Order: President Amos called to order the meeting and led the Pledge of Allegiance.
Mr. Foster gave the prayer. President Amos called for the roll call and the members of the Town
Council were present or absent as follows:
Present: Chad Amos Absent:
Brett Foster
Chris Lutz
Rusty Miller
Craig Penwell
President Amos declared a quorum with all five members present.
Others Present: Jan Unger, Clerk Treasurer
Charlie Cambre, Park Superintendent
Dave Hildebrand, Police Chief
Lance Overholser, Fire Chief
Dan Strong, Interim Cicero/Jackson Township Plan Commission Director
Keith Bryant, Town Engineer Report
Aaron Culp, Town Attorney
Paul Utterback, Storm Water Management Board President
Approval of Agenda:
Mr. Amos added item to Misc. section for Charlie Cambre from Parks Department. Hearing
no other items for agenda asked for motion. Mr. Foster made motion to accept the agenda
for March 7, 2017 as amended. Mr. Lutz seconded, motion passed.
Approval of Prior Minutes:
Town Council Executive Session Memorandum, February 16, 2017, 6:00 PM -
Town Council Meeting Minutes, February 21, 2017, 7:00 PM -
Town Council Executive Session Memorandum, February 23, 2017 6:00 PM -
Mr. Penwell made motion to approve all three. Mr. Lutz second, motion passed.
Approval of Claims:
Mr. Lutz made motion to approve claims as presented. Mr. Foster second, motion passed.
Petitions by Citizens:
Mr. Troy Ferguson stated that he was here as a private citizen to express concerns about
Town leadership. Mr. Ferguson continued to read a letter he had written expressing his
concerns with OTC and leadership. When Mr. Ferguson continued to discuss happenings in
another town, Mr. Amos stopped him to state issues in Kokomo were not a part of the
Town’s concerns. Mr. Ferguson stated he was being denied his right to speak. Mr. Culp
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explained he felt Mr. Ferguson was asking for something the Council did not have authority
over. OTC is a 501C3 and as such the Council does not control their money or membership.
So what is he asking for from the Council? Mr. Ferguson kept referring to his letter he
wanted to read in public. Mr. Penwell stated it seemed his purpose was to disparage a Town
citizen in public, he didn’t see another way it was going and what was happening in another
town didn’t pertain. Mr. Ferguson asked to continue with letter on different topic. Mr.
Penwell granted that right. Mr. Ferguson continued asking that Public Meeting on March
14th regarding the OCRA Façade Grant be postponed, citing distribution of funds to be
stopped. Mr. Ferguson expressed his concerns regarding this project. Mr. Ferguson
continued with his concerns referring to a list of ten questions. Mr. Ferguson left documents
with Ms. Unger of projects of which he referred. Mr. Ferguson continued with the rest of
his letter, thanking many members of the community including Mr. Foster and Mr. Lutz.
Mr. Lutz asked him to leave his copies of the questions. Mr. Ferguson stated he was
frustrated with progress and only wants to believe in Cicero.
Emily Pearson asked if discussing/voting on the Rails/Trails projects should be discussed
now or would there be a time later. Mr. Amos stated there would not be a vote however,
they would be discussing in light of happenings in Noblesville and Fishers. Ms. Pearson
stated she had several questions and she would be allowed to ask at the time of discussion,
she would wait until then. Council thanked her for waiting.
Kathie Bowman for Lights over Morse Lake presented the brochure from last year, and
stated last year’s rain barrel focus on page 7. She asked if the Town would get back with
her regarding its ad for this year’s brochure. Mrs. Bowman asked for a commitment from
Town to cover printing costs for an amount up to $2000 and $500 for design of program.
Ms. Unger stated this funding came from festival fund in past and that there was money to
cover these items this year. Also discussed, was the past donation for promotion of Town
for $500 which is budgeted in promotion fund. Mr. Amos stated he would entertain a
motion for all three portions at this meeting, funds coming from two different budget funds.
Mr. Foster made motion to support Lights over Morse Lake with $2500 from Festival Fund
for the brochure and $500 from Promotion Fund for the donation. Mr. Penwell seconded,
motion passed. Mrs. Bowman thanked everyone for support. Dates for this year are July1-
4th, starting with carnival on Friday June 30th. Deadline for submission for advertising and
articles is May 15, 2017. The contact is Kathie Bowman. Mr. Foster did a special thank
you for Greg and Kathy for their work on the LOML.
Brett Morrow stated for the record, the club Mr. Ferguson referred to closed January 31st.
He just wanted to say after last 30 days he was thankful for family which are gone now and
for friends that become family in community. The support is appreciated, never thought to
be back here but support has been good. He asked Mr. Amos to tear up the original request
to speak. Mr. Morrow also stated he felt Mr. Ferguson had good ideas for the Town of
Cicero. And that the Town was a great Town and only getting better.
President’s Report:
President Amos had one item to follow up on. The EDC is going to be lacking one member.
Chairperson Linda Wilgus he have done some interviews. He expects the selection process
will be completed soon and will likely name that individual at next Town Council meeting.
Council Committee Reports: No Reports
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Legal Counsel Report: Mr. Culp had two updates.
1. Mr. Culp stated the revised license agreement document for Pier Project is completed and
has been sent for signatures. Mr. Culp stated that they have an agreed contract with the
construction company.
2. On Ramp Indiana discussions are ongoing. Mr. Culp has asked for them to attend a Town
Council meeting.
3. Mr. Culp stated with regard to NRG that Mr. Reynolds has retained Gasho for the
demolition of the building. The clean up contractor has been paid. Demolition including
smokestack, will commence in the next few weeks. He will continue to follow up.
4. Mr. Penwell asked for update on contracts for Jackson/Main and Main Street pay study. Mr.
Culp stated the contractor agreed on the changes. Mr. Culp stated pending his revisions it
would be brought to the Council for approval. Mr. Culp to verify status and address at next
Town Council meeting.
5. Ms. Unger stated that the Council has reviewed the License agreement as it was in their
packets and are ready to approve this evening. Mr. Culp stated if the revised License
Agreement has been reviewed by the Council then it could be voted on this evening since
there individual signature pages. Mr. Penwell made motion to sign License Agreement for
Pier Project. Mr. Miller seconded, motion passed.
Cicero/Jackson Township Plan Commission Report-Mr. Strong.
Mr. Strong introduced Mr. Hatchel to discuss the Arbor Home project and plan change area
to PD-R3 zoning. Mr. Hatchel expressed the passion displayed tonight is one of reasons for
desire to build in area. The plan tonight is to show where they were and where they are now
with all changes considered. Original plan was 511 home sites, changes were made to make
it 485 with increased sizes to the home sites on the thoroughfare primarily. This reduction in
home sites is a financial strain to the builder. District 5 is now a new district, empty nester
product of ranch style only, in place of the park. Mr. Penwell asked if there was a
requirement in the HOA to designate empty nester. Mr. Hatchel stated this would be an age
targeted area, with a maintenance agreement thru the HOA that would be available to them.
Mr. Hatchel continued with the comparisons regarding layout changes. District 4 is last
phase, new PD states no vinyl allowed in this area. Continuing with the same front
percentages in brick as other areas. The lots as described would be minimum widths. Mr.
Strong asked for park changes to be discussed. Mr. Hatchel stated there is still green space
but not a park area per say, this is in the wellhead area. Discussion of 3-4 acres would
remain, with green space equaling the original amount.
Mr. Hatchel went on to discuss overall development requirements. A lift station is required
for this development and would leave room for future development/improvements for the
Town. Jackson Park would use approximately 58% of the capacity leaving 42% for Town
improvements. Mr. Hatchel discussed benefits to water pressure with infrastructure being
proposed for the development. Mr. Hatchel shared breakout of costs associated with the
infrastructure costs from Britton Street extension to the oversized sewer to lift station
exceeding $5.6 million. Economic impact estimates were given by Arbor, including
water/sewer/park impact fees and property tax. Impacts were given based on ten year build
out time, at 50 houses per year, revenue for Town estimated at ten million dollars. An
expected $1.2 million as ongoing revenue after build out time. Presentation included
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Water/Sewer/Park fees as cost share 45% with Town. Mr. Hatchel gave examples of
partnering when infrastructure improvements exceeded need for development. This
proposal was done as a life of project for Arbor to recoup costs of $5.6 million. Numbers in
presentation were with 45% deducted.
Mr. Foster expressed improvements to plan, concern of the setbacks, not enough driveway
space. Mr. Miller asked for property tax definition. Discussion ensued. Ten year build out
was used for numbers presented. Concern was with raising costs to taxpayers. There was a
discussion around max levy and process.
Mr. Penwell asked for contribution costs. Mr. Hatchel answered just over one million
dollars for the Town. Mr. Miller questioned the breakouts. Arbor’s engineer answered
regarding the fee structure to be collected from another developer for the south area. A
discussion ensued. Mr. Culp stated the expansion of wastewater is required. Mr. Penwell
addressed the green area on the map additional area served by improvements, clarifying the
needs of Town versus minimums for project. Mr. Penwell stated when you take out the
Britton Street extension then additional Town requests for materials are just under $115,000.
So if requirements versus list of needed by the Town, the hard dollars are $115,000. Why
would the Town contribute one million? Discussion ensued around incidental costs versus
incremental costs from Mr. Bryant. Mr. Penwell asked for clarification for what would be
needed for Arbor to do the project versus the requests for the costs that the Town has
discussed. Arbor’s engineer continued to stress the area to the south as gain from the
improvements. Mr. Penwell stated the availability fees are not free, they are used for the
future infrastructure needs.
Mr. Strong clarified Mr. Bryant’s comments regarding the $641,410 for oversized sanitary
sewer to north, original $320,705 was Arbor and Cicero portion $320,705. There was
continued discussion on the math; costs versus proportional costs and the needs versus
upgrades.
Arbor’s engineer continued with the benefits of improvements for future development to the
south stating $200 per lot costs to remove doesn’t save Arbor much money. In addition the
area to the south of their development would have to put in identical equipment when
developed. Mr. Penwell clarified that it costs an additional $200 per lot to do these
improvements, $200 per lot and asking for the ability to do a PUD. Mr. Penwell stated the
costs are $100,000 not one million. Arbor’s engineer stated the economics of the project
were such that they would not continue with the development without the partnering. Mr.
Penwell questioned, you would not development the neighborhood? Arbor’s Engineer
stated yes, makes all of the area developable in future. Mr. Culp discussed the math, stating
Arbor was asked to leave this out of their presentation this evening as the request they were
asking for this evening hasn’t been reviewed thoroughly by the Council. Mr. Culp stated
that now the Council is being told take it or leave it.
Mr. Hatchel discussed the time line, the requests that have been made from the lots and pro
forma process. It isn’t just the $100,000 it is the extra capacity that the Town has ability to
capitalize on and ability to recoup costs. It’s also the 26 lots lost, it is five million dollars in
revenue lost. Business decision, this is where Arbor is.
Mr. Amos stated he would entertain a motion for tabling, for approval, or for deny. There
was further discussion from Board. Mr. Lutz concern was time to review, for the 3/3/3
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breakout. He appreciates the thoroughfare improvements. Mr. Foster discussed setbacks and
the closeness of homes, would like to see thirty-five feet not twenty-five feet setbacks.
Twenty-five feet is too close to the road. Mr. Culp stated the only action for tonight is to
vote up or down the PUD or table. Upon approval it goes back to Plan Commission for
review since it has been amended, this is based on Indiana code. Mr. Amos asked for
clarification from plan commission proposal for continuation of trail on 234/235th. Mr.
Hatchel stated it was not included; there is walking trail and sidewalks. Mr. Hatchel
repeated his statement that not knowing what other costs they did not commit to additional
trail.
Mr. Miller asked Mr. Culp they could approve the PUD without the partnering. Mr. Culp
answered that council could approve without the partnering and could choose to discuss the
partnering further. However, based on the amount and disagreement on the apples to apples
numbers he would recommend tabling.
Mr. Penwell stated from what he heard, if the Town doesn’t make the commitment for
partnering the project is done. Mr. Hatchel confirmed that was correct. Mr. Miller
expressed his concerns for the costs and cost to taxpayers at one million dollars. He also
stated concern for any other investor coming in. There was a discussion on protocol.
Mr. Lutz made motion to approve Jackson Park PUD project as presented. Mr. Penwell
second. Using a show of hands the vote was as follows: Approve: 0, Opposed: 5. Motion
failed 0/5.
Five minute break taken.
Town Engineer Report-Mr. Bryant
Mr. Bryant stated that they were continuing with the I & I study and were planning to move
the flow meters soon since we have received some wet weather.
Old Business
Council To Approve Proposal For Demolition Of 40/40 ½ Short Street.
There was a discussion on using the Short Street Property for training for the Fire
Department. Ms. Unger suggested calling the vendor to verify effect on proposal if used for
training by Fire Department. Mr. Miller made a motion to approve proposal for demolition
at cost of $14,000 by Gasho’s. Mr. Lutz second. Motion approved 5-0.
Town Council To Discuss The Rail Road And Trails.
Mr. Culp gave preface to presentation on Rails and Trails. At this time Cicero is not
involved in the proposal. Railroad is owned by Noblesville, Fishers and County, and
managed by the Port Authority. Cicero has no jurisdiction over the railroad and can only try
to partner with the Port Authority.
Mr. Lutz gave presentation, encouraging the Town of Cicero to take a position on the
current situation to share the desires of the Town. There has been communication stating
the Town is for the train. Mr. Lutz shared information expressing his desire for trails.
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EDC’s stated position is they are favorable of a trail. Northern Hamilton County Trail Plan
was adopted by the Town Feb 2, 2016 with no financial commitment. Full package of the
presentation was sent to the Town Council via email. There are many questions still to be
answered, cost being one, who will own is another question. Mr. Lutz encouraged everyone
to do research prior to the next Town Council meeting as he would like to do a resolution to
state Cicero’s position on the Railroad.
Mr. Penwell asked if Brenda Myers was available to talk to Town Council. Ms. Shae
Kmicikewycz stated a meeting was set on March 21st at 9:30 am to discuss this topic. Mr.
Culp stated Ms. Myers came to the meeting in Arcadia about their proposal to save the
tracks from Arcadia to Tipton. Mr. Amos preferred the meeting to be part of the Town
Council meeting so everyone could hear all at once. Mr. Miller stated the Council may want
to reach out to Fishers and Noblesville Councils. They are concerned with connectivity.
Mr. Miller stated the rail fix costs are misleading. Mr. Schwartz has information showing the
breakdown. The five million dollars stated in costs were from Indianapolis to Logansport.
There are many unknowns at this point and many towns looking at different options.
Another discussion ensued.
Mr. Miller stated concern for local trails in the Morse Landing areas. Mr. Foster stated a lot
of discussion in past and much resistance due to cutting into the properties. The design of
the roadway is a concern. Discussion ensued. Mr. Foster and Mr. Amos both stated they
did not feel a trail would be doable in the Morse Landing subdivision.
Mr. Miller stated that the Port Authority has a book with the details regarding the railroad
repairs and will see if it can be sent to Council electronically.
Ms. Pearson was invited to ask the question or concerns she still has. Ms. Pearson stated
many questions were answered but asked the Board to do their due diligence especially on
security and safety. She has concerns for maintenance costs ongoing if Cicero had to
maintain.
It was decided to invite Ms. Myers to the Town Council meeting on March 21st. Mr. Miller
will follow up on the book and the summary that was presented in Arcadia, and send to
Council.
New Business
There was none.
Miscellaneous.
1. Façade Improvement Fund - Mr. Penwell discussed the Façade Improvement Fund and the
Grant. Fifty points are available to the Town if they have a sustainability fund. Mr. Penwell
suggested this be added to next meeting or staff meeting.
2. Mr. Amos stated Charlie Cambre is asking for his administrative assistant to become a full
time employee. All parts of the request are in the budget. Mr. Cambre stated monies are
available by transferring funds from other funds. Mr. Amos asked if future budgets would
cover salary without hurting existing funds. Mr. Cambre stated there should be little impact
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and shared his reasons for the request, stating Kim’s tenure, loyalty, willingness to learn new
tasks. Mr. Miller shared his support and savings relating to training of new person and
efficiencies. Discussion ensued on cross training and pier project concerns. Job
description on file, title change and salary amendment will need to be on the next meeting.
Discussion on effective April 1, 2017 and salary ordinance to be on next meeting’s agenda.
Mr. Miller made a motion to approve the part-time parks administrative assistant position to
be changed to a full-time position. Second by Mr. Lutz. Motion passed 5-0.
Comments By Citizens
There were none.
Signatures on Official Document.
Motion To Adjournment:
Mr. Foster made a motion to adjourn. Mr. Miller seconded. Motion passed 5-0.
Signatures on Official Documents!
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Chad B. Amos, President
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Robert J. Miller, Vice-president
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Christopher J. Lutz
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Brett S. Foster
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Craig S. Penwell
Attested: __________________________
Jan Unger, Clerk Treasurer
The Next Cicero Town Council Meeting will be on March 21, 2017, at 7:00 PM at the Cicero Town
Hall.
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Agenda
4 TOWN OF CICERO
TOWN COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA
Tuesday, March 7, 2017
At 7:00 PM
Call To Order:
Present: Chad Amos Absent:
Brett Foster
Chris Lutz
Rusty Miller
Craig Penwell
Declare a quorum present.
Others Present: Jan Unger, Clerk Treasurer
Charlie Cambre, Park Superintendent
Pat Comer, Street & Utilities Director
Dave Hildebrand, Police Chief
Lance Overholser, Fire Chief
Dan Strong, Interim Cicero/Jackson Township Plan Commission Director
Aaron Culp, Town Attorney
Keith Bryant, Town Engineer
Paul Utterback, Storm Water Management Board President
Approval of Agenda:
Approval of Prior Minutes:
Town Council Executive Session Memorandum, February 16, 2017, 6:00 PM -
Town Council Meeting Minutes, March 21, 2017, 7:00 PM –
Town Council Executive Session Memorandum, February 23, 2017, 6:00 PM -
Approval of Claims:
Petitions by Citizens:
President’s Report:
Council Committee Reports:
Legal Counsel Report- Aaron Culp:
1. License agreement for the Pier
2. NRG
3. On Ramp Indiana
Cicero/Jackson Township Plan Commission Report-Mr. Strong.
1. Arbor Homes-
2. MI Homes
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Town Engineer Report-Mr. Keith Bryant –
1. Updates on the I & I progress.
Old Business:
Council To Approve Proposal For Demolition Of 40/40 ½ Short Street.
Town Council To Discuss The Rail Road And Trails.
New Business
Miscellaneous
1. Craig to discuss possibility of a Façade Improvement Fund.
Comments By Citizens
Signatures on Official Documents!
Motion To Adjourn:
The Next Cicero Town Council Meeting will be on March 7, 2017, at 7:00 PM at the Cicero
Town Hall.
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