Planning Board Agendas and Minutes
Regular MeetingCohoes, NY · October 6, 2006
Minutes
MINUTES OF THE COHOES PLANNING BOARD MEETING HELD ON October 6,
2006 AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COMMON COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF CITY HALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Joseph Koval
Mr. Joseph Moloughney
Mr. Mark DeFruscio
Ms. Sharon Gariepy
MEMBERS EXCUSED: Vice Chair Clarence Bagley
ALSO PRESENT: Ms. Erin Thomas, City Planner
Ms. Amy Ryan, Recording Secretary
MINUTES
Chairman Koval called the meeting to order at 6:30 pm. He then asked the recording
Secretary to call the order of attendance. There were no minutes to approve.
PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF A MAJOR SUBDIVISION
PLAT ENTITLED “SUBDIVISION PLAN FOR CAPTAIN’S LOOKOUT –
REVISED 9/19/06” , LOCATED ON DELAWARE AVENUE AND SUBMITTED
BY F.G.R. ASSOCIATES, LLC.
Item on the agenda is a public hearing and consideration of a Major Subdivision Plat
entitled, “Subdivision Plan for Captain’s Lookout – Revised 9/19/06”.
Prior to the public hearing, Chairman Koval had a few questions regarding Resolution
#09 for 2006 of Cohoes Planning Board. He stated that the resolution had two revision
dates, December 23, 2005 and September 06, 2006 but the last date the Planning
Commission approved the layout was February 6, 2006
Mr. Lynch stated that Feb 6th was the approval of the project and the most current plans
at the time were the December 2005 plans.
Chairman Koval stated that he was not present at the February 6, 2006 meeting. He stated
that the February plans included a four lot subdivision, with a large parking lot to the
extreme south and no buildings. The plans were then revised to retain the four lot
subdivision, eliminate the big parking lot, add one building and a small parking lot.
Mr. Lynch stated that when the plans were first approved, the southwestern corner of the
site, now proposed as a parking lot, was where the Smith Seal Coating Business was
located and at the time of initial approval there was not a contract for that parcel. The
12/23/05 revised plans were approve by the Commission on February 6, 2006. The
resolution called for the approval of the project but the Chairman was to not sign the plat
until such time had passed for any further technical review by the engineers. The initial
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plans were not filed with the County Clerks office and the milars have never been signed
on the plans that were from February 2006.
Chairman Koval asked what was revised on February 13th that makes the plan different
than the approved plan of February 6th.
Mr. Lynch stated that the September 19, 2006 plan shows revisions to the plan on
01/12/06, 2/13/06 and 9/19/06. The 2/13/06 revision was for the addition of building and
parking spaces.
Mark Jacobson stated that he believed that the revision should read January 13, 2006 not
February.
Chairman Koval instructed Mr. Lynch and Mr. Jacobson that he wants verification on the
revision dates.
Mr. Lynch stated the revisions to the paperwork will be made. The project approved in
February of 2006 consisted of 4 building lots with a total of 7 buildings. Of the seven
buildings, 5 of the buildings will two story buildings with 10 units.
Chairman Koval intervened and stated that as long as the corrected plans are submitted to
Ms. Thomas he would be satisfied. He called the public hearing to order at 6:43 p.m.
Mr. Lynch explained that he had been informed by Mr. Terry Fields that the revision on
the 6th had to deal with the number of parking spaced available to the public. The plan
before the Board dated September 19 is the same as the December 23rd plan in so far as
the building layout and sizes and unit number is concerned. The difference is that each
building and parking lot is on separate building lots solely for the purpose of financing.
Mortgage will cover the entire lot and a release will not be given for part of a lot. Lot
lines were used to divide the lots per building and per parking areas, solely to facilitate
the ability to secure a construction loan against the lot that is being built and when
property is sold the loan for the particular lot will be released. So there will not be partial
releases. The project has not changed the only thing that has changed is the breaking up
of the lots for financing and release purposes. He also stated that nothing has been signed
by the Chairman since February 6th. There was a condition regarding parking space
available to the public.
Chairman Koval asked the Commission members if they had any questions regarding the
subdivision of the parcel of 4 to 7.
Member DeFruscio asked a question regarding the financing of the lots that were parking
lots only.
Mr. Lynch stated that mortgage to build the infrastructure will cover the entirety of the
project. Lots 1 and 8 will be for excess parking. The building will have intended parking
in the driveways. There is some question as to whether the parking lots will correspond
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to any one particular building. When they do go to release they want to have the
flexibility to release the parking areas independently of any particular building. The City
Corporation Counsel did reach out to Mr. Lynch regarding a concern as to whether or not
the access parking areas will be built. He suggested that cap be put on the project. They
are also exploring the possibility to add addition land to the North end of the project.
There are no contracts on the land at the time of the meeting. The property if acquired
may be used for a parking lot and they may possibly shift the parking areas. Hence, why,
they are looking for some flexibility by allowing each parking lot to be on separate lot.
If, in the future, they do want to come forward with additional land and have some
flexibility with moving parking areas away from the southern end of the site and putting
at the northern end of the site. This might possibility coincide with some of the future
plans the city has for a possible park along the waterfront.
Member DeFruscio stated that he is more concerned with the flow and turn over of the
property which essentially is the parking area to both the builder and the community as
time progresses. Wondering if funding, financing and turn over of the lots designated as
parking lots is different that the building lots. He interpreted Mr. Lynch’s explanation as
that they will be dealt with identically as the building and will be turned over to the
builder at some point.
Mr. Lynch replied that it depends.
Mr. DeFruscio stated that he was only concerned with just the parking lots. He asked Mr.
Lynch about the mortgage for the infrastructure which the two lots are part of, in regards
to could they guarantee that the parking lots would be built and at some point turned over
to the building owner.
Mr. Lynch stated that they may not necessarily be there.
Member DeFruscio stated that without that guarantee he felt that they could not consider
the project.
Chairman Koval stated that if the builder builds the building at the extreme south, and the
builder decides that they do not want to build the parking lot because he does not have to
and it is the first building that goes up then there will be only 10 apartment with 10
parking spots and no other parking which he believes is the heart of the problem. No
matter what phase you begin there will be no other place for people to park other then the
residents for building 2, along Delaware Ave and building 7, on the other end. His
concern is that if the builder is not made to build at least one of the lots while the other
building is being built there is no place for people to go. Parking to the North is not the
answer because the distance to building 7 is to long of a walk.
Mr. Lynch stated that they are trying to be flexible but understands the concerns of the
Board regarding the parking lots being built in a reasonable time or reasonably
corresponding to construction of the buildings on the site. He stated he would go back to
Mr. Gush and discuss the concerns of the Board and try to come up with a plan that gives
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the Board a level of comfort regarding the lots having to be built with overflow parking
right away.
Chairman Koval asked about the buildings on Delaware Avenue to the north end at
entrance right, “Where is there overflow parking?”
Mr. Jacobson stated that each case is like a single family house with a garage and a
driveway.
Member Gariepy stated that there is a lot near building #4.
Mr. Lynch stated that each condo unit has two actual spaces. There will be underground
parking spaces for two of the building.
Chairman Koval asked if the underground parking spaces would only be for the
occupants of the two, 4 story buildings.
Mr. Lunch stated that that was his understanding
Chairman Koval stated there is only 1 ½ parking spots, almost everyone has two cars and
there will not be parking on the street and he feels it is critical to have the overflow
parking.
Mr. Jacobson stated that there are approximately 36 parking spaces on the street in front
of the two buildings.
Chairman Koval asked if it would be dedicated as parking.
Mr. Lynch and Mr. Jacobson felt it would not be dedicated along the street.
Chairman Koval asked about an overflow lot on the north end.
Mr. Jacobson said he would have to check but felt it might only be parking for building
#4.
Joe M. asked about the building with garages and driveway spaces and felt that the
garages look relatively small.
Mr. Fields stated some of garages are a bit smaller but they are standard size garages and
standard parking.
Member Moloughney asked about building #7 which has been shifted to accommodate
the property line closer to the southern end.
Chairman Koval reiterated his concern regarding the overflow parking. As part of the
“THEREFORE” in the resolution and given the concern of parking in those southerly
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buildings, he suggested that a Certificate of Occupancy (C O) for building # 1 shall not
be issued until a proposed parking lot on Lot #8 has been complete and a Certificate of
Occupancy on buildings #2 & #7 shall not be issued until the proposed parking lot on Lot
#1 has been completed.
Mr. Lynch stated that tying the parking into the Certificate of Occupancy is reasonable.
Chairman Koval asked if any of the Board members or the public has anything to say.
He proceeded with introducing Resolution #6 for 2006. Chairman Koval noted that this
will be Resolution #6 because of the change from Planning Commission to Planning
Board.
Resolution # 6 for 2006 Cohoes Planning Board
PLANNING BOARD
Of the
CITY OF COHOES
RESOLUTION TO AMEND SUBDIVISION PLAT
APPROVED BY RESOLUTION #09 for 2006 of the Cohoes Planning
Commission
Re: Application of F.G.R. Associates, LLC to
Amend Resolution #09 for 2006 of Cohoes Planning Commission
WHEREAS, by Resolution #09 for 2006, adopted on February 6,
2006, the City of Cohoes Planning Commission, as the SEQRA Lead
Agency, issued a Negative Declaration of environmental
significance and approved Applicant’s Four (4) Lot Subdivision
Plan named “Captain’s Lookout”, as prepared by Chas H. Sells,
Inc., dated July 11, 2005, last revised December 23, 2005, and
which plan provided for the subsequent construction of 142
condominium dwelling units, in 7 separate buildings on four (4)
Lots, consisting of five (5) ten (10) unit buildings, each two
stories in height, and two (2) 46-unit buildings, each four-
stories in height (above parking garage story), with ancillary
off-street parking and green space, on a 6.012 acre parcel of
Land along Delaware Avenue, City of Cohoes,; and
WHEREAS, Applicant, F.G.R. Associates, LLC, seeks to amend
the foregoing subdivision plan, by increasing the number of Lots
from four (4) to nine (9), solely for the purpose of placing
each of the seven (7) buildings on a separate Lot, and by
placing two parking areas on Lot 1 and 8, all as set forth in
the Subdivision Plan for “Captain’s Lookout”, prepared by Chas
H. Sells, Inc., dated July 11, 2005 and last revised September
19, 2006, and
WHEREAS, the application to so amend the subdivision Plan
came on to be heard before the Planning Board at a public
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meeting held on October 2, 2006, and Applicant demonstrated that
the amended subdivision plat includes the same 6.012 acre parcel
of land, and the same 7 condominium buildings, previously so
approved on February 6, 2006 by Resolution # 09 for 2006, and
requested the foregoing subdivision amendment for the sole
purpose of securing construction financing to correspond to each
building as each building and parking lot area are being
constructed, evidencing that there has not been any substantive
change in the previously approved project,
WHEREAS, the action is subject to the provisions of the
State Environmental Quality Review Act (“SEQRA”), as set forth
in Environmental Conservation law Article 8, and the Regulations
promulgated there under set forth in 6 NYCRR Part 617, and
NOW, THEREFORE, IT BE AND HEREBY IS RESOLVED,
1. The City of Cohoes Planning Board, be and hereby determines
that it has continuing jurisdiction to act as Lead Agency, to
conduct a review of the proposed amendment to the Captain’s
Walk subdivision, in accord with SEQRA, as well as the Cohoes
City Charter and Code;
2. The proposed action to amend the subdivision plat from four
(4) to nine (9) Lots will not have any significant adverse
environmental impact, and there is no basis to modify the
Negative Declaration of Environmental Significance issued on
February 6, 2006, in accord with 6 NYCRR 617.7 (a) (2);
3. That the proposed amendment to the Captain’s Look
subdivision, to change the number of Lots from four (4) to
nine (9), be and hereby is granted in accord with §250-7 of
the Cohoes Charter and Code, and the Planner is authorized to
sign the final plan for “Captain’s Lookout”, prepared by Chas
H. Sells, Inc., dated July 11, 2005 and last revised
September 19, 2006, upon written determination made by the
City Engineer that he has approved the engineering details of
the plans submitted by the applicant.
4. That a certificate of occupancy for Building #1 shall not be
issued until the proposed parking lot on Lot #8 has been
completed, and certificates of occupancy for Buildings #2 &
#7 shall not be issued until the proposed parking lot on Lot
#1 has been completed.
On a motion made by Board Member Mark DeFruscio, seconded by
Board Member Joseph Moloughney, and a vote of 4 for, 0 against, and
1 absent, this Resolution was adopted on the 2nd day of October,
2006.
Approved as to form this 2nd day of October, 2006
The vote was as follows:
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AYE , Joseph Koval, Chairman
ABSENT , Clarence Badgley, Vice Chairman
AYE , Sharon Gariepy
AYE , Mark DeFruscio
AYE , Joseph Moloughney
Non Voting Member , Erin Thomas
Chairman Koval called the Public Hearing closed at 7:13 p.m. He asked Mr. Lynch, Mr.
Jacobson and Mr. Fields to stay to discuss the future plans. The proposal looks like
eliminating parking lot #8 and putting in a club house and to acquire property at the north
end to build a parking lot that appears to take the parking lot at 1 & 8 and then use the lot
1 to build another 10 unit building to pay for the club house and the acquisition of the
northerly property.
Mr. Lynch stated that it sounds correct. It would only happen if they can acquire the north
end property and if so then the project would have to be brought back to the Planning
Board.
Chairman Koval asked about the parking lot at the north end. He questioned whether or
not it will be available for public parking.
Mr. Lynch stated that right now 10 spaces on parking lot #1 will be available to the
public. One issue that was raised was that people may want to use the trail. That is why
they put aside 10 spaces for public parking.
Member DeFrusio concurred and stated that the Commission at the time wanted to make
sure there was public access. When the plan was approved the Commission asked that at
least 10 parking spaces be set aside for the public to use for access to the riverfront.
City Planner Thomas stated that the city suggested the a building not be placed on the
Kilventon parcel, parcel in question which has not been acquired at this time, because it
was thought that the parking being closer to the potential city park, to the north, would be
helpful and were concerned with the view being obstructed from the Van Schaick
Mansion, on the other side of Delaware Avenue.
Chairman Koval said that if you add a club house and a 10 unit building (which
eliminates a large parking lot) then it could create a bad situation of no parking especially
at the south end. Would project have been designed the same way if you figured there
would be a building and club house in that area. He felt that an old design has been
reworked for something better or something at a higher density.
Mr. Lynch stated that the Chairman’s concern is the parking impact at the southerly end
of site not having adequate access to parking. If we acquire the piece at the north and put
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another building the Chair is concerned with the parking impact at the southerly end of
site not having adequate access to parking.
Chairman Koval stated that if they were to come back with a plan to do the above he
would not be in favor because of the parking. He feels there is too much at one end
without the parking.
Mr. Field stated that he would speak to Mr. Gush about the positioning of the clubhouse
and the parking.
Chairman called the meeting closed at 7:22 p.m. Member DeFruscio made a motion to
close the meeting. Member Gariepy seconded the motion.
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