Planning Board Agendas and Minutes
Regular MeetingCohoes, NY · January 12, 2009
Minutes
MINUTES OF THE COHOES PLANNING BOARD MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 12, 2009
AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COMMON COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF CITY HALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Joseph Moloughney
Vice-Chairman Clarence Badgley
Mr. Edward Carboni
Mr. Mark DeFruscio
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Jake Dumesnil
Ms. Sharon Gariepy
ALSO PRESENT: Ms. Melissa Ashline-Heil, Planner
CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 10, 2008 MEETING
Chairman Moloughney called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m. Chairman asked the planner to
take attendance call. Chairman asked the Board to decide whether to approve the minutes from
the November 10, 2008 meeting. Member Carboni made a motion to approve the minutes of the
November 10th, 2008 meeting. Vice Chairman Badgley seconded the motion, roll of call was
taken and the motion passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Edward Carboni X
Clarence Badgley X
Mark DeFruscio X
CONSIDERATION OF SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR A PARKING LOT AT 31 ONTARIO STREET
Tony D’Adamo presented the parking lot plan for 31 Ontario Street to serve 40 apartments
residents can lease to own. Each of the four floors would still have 10 apartments. The plan does
not differ from that presented last year except that the developer uncovered the City’s ownership
of the Rail Road Street portion of the parking lot. He is negotiating a lease with the City of Cohoes
Common Council in exchange for extending Jackson Avenue to Delaware Avenue.
Member Carboni asked why the developer decided to change the units into apartments. Tony
answered that in today’s economy it is easier to obtain a loan to build apartments than
condominiums. He emphasized that the residents can rent to own the units.
Member Carboni asked if the lease of Rail Road Street land had been approved yet. Tony
indicated that the Common Council has not yet acted on the lease agreement. Member Carboni
then asked the location of the building’s entrances. Tony pointed out the eastern corner of the
building’s front on Ontario Street and the eastern corner at the rear of the building.
Chairman Moloughney asked if the parking lot was bidirectional. Tony indicated that for now the
entrance on Ontario Street would be, but if the intersection became a roundabout it would be a
one way parking lot. The exits onto Jackson Avenue would be right turn only so the cars would
spill out onto Delaware Avenue.
Member Carboni asked if the spaces were designated, reserved or assigned to each apartment.
Tony answered they would not be because visitors would be using the same spaces. Chairman
Moloughney indicated that the Zoning Board of Appeals (ZBA) already granted a variance for the
number of spaces. Melissa added that the ZBA’s rationale was that many of the units would have
only one bedroom and so might not need two parking spaces.
Member DeFruscio asked if the developer would stabilize the hill by grading. Tony answered that
he would when repaving just to clean it up. He needs to see the need for it once he begins the
work.
Member DeFruscio asked about drainage issues and how the developer will handle water runoff.
Tony pointed out a sand ditch drawn perpendicular to Ontario Street as shown on the new plans
where water would collect for sheet drainage and storage in an underground tank sufficient for a
50 year storm. Chairman Moloughney questioned whether the runoff would empty into a
Combined Sewer (CSO). He explained that the water would travel from that basin to the County
which treats the water and would charge the City of Cohoes a fee for that service.
Chairman Moloughney also pointed out that the plans lacked several other items required under
City Code: lighting, landscaping, signage, paving and car stops. The new plans do indicate
antique lighting, bushes and signage. The developer verbalized intent to use concrete curbs as
car stops. Chairman Moloughney agreed to the use of concrete curb since there is 20 feet of
vegetation between the bike path and parking lot, the City wishes to install a retaining wall on that
land, and plows might knock out any curb stops and the concrete can easily be pinned back into
place.
Chairman Moloughney questioned whether the developer would pave the upper lot. Tony
averred that it is not paved now but would be paved to serve the tenants. The Chairman asked if
the lot was less than an acre, which Tony affirmed, which means it does not require NYSDEC
standards. However, Chairman Moloughney pointed out that all the water normally absorbed by
the soil would flow across the paved lot into the proposed sand ditch into a holding tank for
discharge into a CSO.
Chairman Moloughney asked that the City Engineer look at the site to determine where to
discharge the runoff.
Member Carboni asked where cars parking in the four diagonal parking spaces against the
building would exit. Tony replied that those cars would exit onto Jackson Avenue since the aisle
would not permit the cars to face Ontario Street after backing out of the parking spaces. Member
DeFruscio asked if there were two handicapped parking spaces. Tony confirmed the two
handicapped spaces.
However, Chairman Moloughney limited any approvals to preliminary status until the developer
resolved the remaining issues on the plans: 1) the board members need the most recent map
showing the antique lighting, landscaping, signage, etc.; 2) the developer must resolve the CSO
stormwater issues such as the dimensions of the ditch and where runoff will discharge; 3) the curb
stops need to be shown; and 4) Jackson Avenue traffic patterns.
Vice Chairman Badgley moved to recommend preliminary approval of the Site Plan. Member
Carboni seconded the motion. Roll of call was taken and the motion passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Edward Carboni X
Clarence Badgley X
Mark DeFruscio X
CONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A PDD AMENDMENT FOR THE
JAMES STREET PROJECT TO THE COMMON COUNCIL
Engineer Joe Bianchini represented the developer. He requested the Planning Board recommend
approval of a Planned Development District (PDD) amendment changing the proposed condos to
townhouses. Doing so would mean three more buildings and five fewer units. Most of the
buildings would be twin townhomes with a four unit townhouse structure on the cul de sac. The
units would still have an attached garage, two driveway spaces and three parking spaces in
ancillary parking across the street. Residents would be able to landscape and would own the
property. The developer proposes turning 6.7 acres of undeveloped land over to the City.
Member DeFruscio asked why the developer wants to amend his PDD to build townhouses rather
than condominiums. Joe replied that sales are flat. Member DeFruscio then questioned whether
the project would be built in phases. Joe indicated that the structures would be built and sold one
at a time during one construction phase.
Member Carboni commented that in the first proposal the condominium association would
maintain the entire infrastructure. Now the developer is asking the City to maintain the roads, and
stormwater, water and sewer facilities. Melissa interjected that the City understands it will
maintain the roads, water and sewer; however the City does not maintain the stormwater system
of any new developments. During preliminary meetings with the developer, it was agreed that the
homeowner’s association would maintain the stormwater system. Furthermore, the stormwater
and infrastructure issues will be looked at in closer detail by the planning board engineer during a
site plan review. At this time only the PDD is under consideration.
Member Carboni also examined the placement of three five space ancillary parking areas on the
City’s right of way for maintaining the street. Melissa explained that the City is aware of the issue
and required the developer to maintain the parking spaces (plowing, repaving) while retaining the
City’s right of way for maintenance of the street. In addition, many of the issues will be further
discussed during site plan review.
Chairman Moloughney agreed that many issues would be resolved later during site plan review.
The lot coverage makes a minor difference which would require acknowledgement in the SEQR
file. However, the Chairman expressed concerns about notes on the plans that the developer
would convey the stormwater detention pond and surrounding land to the City.
Chairman Molougney then asked the unit sizes. Joe answered that the units would be
approximately 24X16 or 12-1300 square feet, including the garage. The units would be single
story with an optional loft area.
Chairman Molougney returned to the issues with stormwater, roads and infrastructure. He
remarked that the City would need a representative to provide construction oversight.
Furthermore, he is not comfortable with the plans “as is.”
Vice Chairman Badgley moved to table the PDD. Member DeFruscio seconded the motion. Roll
of call was taken and the motion passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Edward Carboni X
Clarence Badgley X
Mark DeFruscio X
Member Carboni moved to adjourn at 7:40pm; Member DeFruscio seconded the motion. Roll of
call was taken and the motion passed unanimously.
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