Planning Board Agendas and Minutes
Regular MeetingCohoes, NY · April 13, 2009
Minutes
MINUTES OF THE COHOES PLANNING BOARD MEETING HELD ON APRIL 13, 2009
AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COMMON COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF CITY HALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Joseph Moloughney
Mr. Edward Carboni
Vice-Chairman Clarence Badgley
Ms. Sharon Gariepy
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Mark DeFruscio
Mr. Jake Dumesnil
ALSO PRESENT: Ms. Melissa Ashline-Heil, Planner
CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 9, 2009 MEETING
Chairman Moloughney called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m. Chairman asked the planner to take
attendance call. Chairman asked the Board to decide whether to approve the minutes from the
March 9, 2009 meeting. Member Gariepy made a motion to approve the minutes of the March 9th,
2009 meeting. Member Carboni seconded the motion. Roll of call was taken and the motion
passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Edward Carboni X
Leo Badgley X
Sharon Gariepy X
CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT for a POOL AT 43 DAVID DRIVE
The property owner, Steve Elinski, requested a Special Use Permit to install an above ground pool
in the backyard of 43 David Drive. The applicant submitted a site plan showing the pool 24’ from
the rear property line and 23’ from the side property line to the east. Since the proposal meets all
setback requirements and the property abuts farmland in the rear, the Board did not pose any
additional questions. Member Carboni made a motion to approve the special use permit. Member
Gariepy seconded the motion. Roll of call was taken and the motion passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Edward Carboni X
Leo Badgley X
Sharon Gariepy X
CONSIDERATION OF SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR A PARKING LOT AND BANK AT 35
NIVER STREET
Engineer, John Latsko, presented updated plans for HRCU bank proposed for 35 Niver Street. He
provided elevations of the building and discussed the review comments from Tom McGrath.
Member Gariepy asked about parking. Mr. Latsko handed out a series of site plans for similarly
sized banks with equivalent amounts of parking. A 2800 square foot bank in Virginia with 24
parking spaces; a 3,000 square foot bank in Pennsylvania with 15 spaces; a 4500 square foot bank
in Glens Falls with 23 spaces; and a 3600 bank in Rhinebeck with 18 parking spaces. Member
Carboni commented that the parking spaces are shown as 18’ deep on the examples. Mr. Latsko
replied that the firm follows the local ordinances. Cohoes requires 20’ deep spaces and that is
what the Credit Union lot will use.
Member Gariepy asked about landscaping. Chairman Moloughney added that the revised plans
show some landscaping in the front of the property, but none in the rear. Mr. Latsko explained that
the bank would raze the shed in the rear. Chairman Moloughney asked if the bank would grade the
land. Mr. Latsko referred to sheet SP5, the revised grading plan which shows the two retention
ponds.
Chairman Moloughney asked if the land would be fertilized. Mr. Latsko replied that the DEC does
not permit disturbances that close to the wetlands. Chairman Moloughney clarified the dotted line
shows the wetlands and that only organic fertilizer can be used in those areas.
Chairman Moloughney also asked whether the stormwater would not be captured and treated. Mr.
Latsko described that the amount of increased stormwater runoff – created by the parking lot and
building – would be captured and treated. Member Carboni asked if the developer would raise the
land in the floodplain. Mr. Latsko confirmed that the whole site would be raised 2’ and sloped to
bring it up out of the floodplain. The parking lot would be brought up 12-16” of fill prior to
placing aggregate subbase and paving. Altogether the parking lot would also be raised 2’.
Member Carboni then inquired about signage. Mr. Latsko reiterated from last meeting that the
plans do not reflect signage, but that a sign site plan would be submitted later and would meet City
Code and guidelines. He anticipates that the bank would want a monument sign in front of the
property that would be visible from 787. Member Carboni added that the bank would not request
an electronic sign that flashes the time and temperature. Mr. Latsko assured the Board that the
bank would not want to install such a sign.
Chairman Moloughney asked the engineer if the developer planned to surround the parking lot
with a swale. He also asked if the runoff would sheet drain to the swale and discharge to the river.
Mr. Latsko confirmed that was the case. In addition, the roof drains would discharge in that
manner too. Chairman Moloughney indicated that those plans need to be shown on the drawings.
Mr. Latsko asserted that sheets SP3 and SP7 reflect those items. Chairman Moloughney replied
that the swales should also be shown. Mr. Latsko pointed out that sheet SP5 shows the grading
plan and contours. Chairman Moloughney replied that it was not clear on the plans and that the
plans should also show the outfalls.
Chairman Moloughney explained that the Board procedurally needs to conduct a SEQR review.
Prior to completion of that review the Board needs answers to the aforementioned issues as well as
the following: 1) the SWPPP still lists the Town of Amherst where it should refer to the City of
Cohoes; 2) the plans need to show that the roof drains will sheet drain into the swales and flow into
the basins, parking lots will also sheet drain to swales, swales will carry flow to basins; 3) SWPPP
addresses undisturbed wetland area but none of this water is captured or treated, so how will
fertilizer pollution of the pond be avoided without capturing or treating this water and 4) either
justify or abandon the use of Chapter 9 for the stormwater handling. Chairman Moloughney
explained that the Chapter 9 provision applies to redevelopment and only exempts the new
development from treating the existing impervious area. Instead, the developer is required to treat
only what additional lands are made impervious. In addition, the developer must make every
effort to treat stormwater normally first, as Chapter 9 is a method of last resort. In this case, the
developer appears to be turning to Chapter 9 first without considering other possible methods.
Therefore, the Board needs to see how the developer and design engineer reached this plan.
Member Gariepy moved to declare lead agency status for SEQR purposes. Vice Chairman
Badgley seconded the motion. Roll of call was taken and the motion passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Edward Carboni X
Leo Badgley X
Sharon Gariepy X
CONSIDERATION OF PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR A PARKING LOT
AND RETAIL DEVELOPMENTAT 100 COLUMBIA STREET
The developer chose to table the issue until next month in order to provide more comprehensive
plans to the Board and to determine the cost-benefit ratio for the project. However, two neighbors
and the Ward Representative did attend the meeting to express their concerns. The developer had
also submitted some information including an elevation of the building rendering.
Neighbor Ross Goodman of 4 Wilson Lane still has issues about a drive thru located 10’ from his
property. He explained that he purchased the property with the idea he would live in a quiet
residential neighborhood. However, the drive thru would create busy traffic and the associated
nuisances in his backyard. He also emphasized that the hours of operation should be more
restrictive than the surrounding businesses. The Stewarts is open 6am to 11pm and the CVS is
open 8am to 10pm. Chairman Moloughney asked if restricted drive thru hours would alleviate any
of the concern. Mr. Goodman would like to see more restrictive hours on the drive thru.
Chairman Moloughney explained that the Zoning Board of Appeals approved the drive thru
facility. At this point in the planning process the Planning Board can only manage the impact of
the proposal and mitigate potential nuisances. He also commented that the quality of the building
is more important to the Board than the specifics on the tenants.
Alan Timberland of 6 Wilson Lane expressed the same concerns as Rodd Goodman. He would
like to continue to enjoy the use of his backyard without noise or other nuisances. Dianne Nolin,
Ward Representative, added odors, delivery hours, dumpster smells and hours of pick-up, and
landscaping to the list of concerns from the neighbors.
Member Gariepy asked how the Board can mitigate the concerns. Ms. Ashline-Heil replied that
the Board could require emptying the dumpster more frequently. The Board could also limit the
types of restaurants, the odors or require a special venting system for any restaurant that occupies
the space.
Chairman Moloughney asked about the lighting. Mr. Goodman answered that the proposed
lighting would be downcast. Mr. Timberland asked about the increase in traffic. Chairman
Moloughney indicated that the traffic study did not show a significant increase in traffic.
However, the developer will need to provide a curved outlet onto Monroe Street deterring cars
from turning right into the development.
Chairman Moloughney announced that the Board received architectural drawings for those
interested in seeing the proposed renderings of the building. Member Gariepy asked what rain
gardens look like. Chairman Molougney answered that in this case the proposed rain garden
would be a swale with landscaping. Ms. Ashline-Heil explained that the City would benefit from a
rain garden buffer between the sidewalk and street because it would gain the City MS4 credits.
Member Carboni added that the April 2nd meeting determined that the City would not want or
benefit from sidewalks on Monroe Street. Ms. Ashline-Heil confirmed that was the case.
Rep. Nolin commented that she and the neighbors anticipated work like Bonacquisti has done in
Clifton Park and Wolf Road in Colonie. The proposed building looks like a garage. Mr. Goodman
concurred that the rendering is not what the neighbors expected. He asked if the Board can affect
the appearance after completing the planning process. Chairman Moloughney answered that the
Board would need to condition the approval.
CONSIDERATION OF SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR TOWNHOUSES AT JAMES STREET
Joe Bianchini, engineer for the developer, described the amended site plan for Eagle’s nest
development. The project would decrease in the number of units from 28 to 22. At the same time
the project would increase in the number of buildings from 7 to 10. The City would own and
maintain the street. The developer would also dedicate 1.7 acres of land, including the ravine, to
the City. The Homeowners Association would handle landscaping, the stormwater basin and
maintenance of the parking spaces.
The engineer received Tom McGrath’s review comments on Friday. The developer agrees to
incorporate all of his comments, clean up the plans and resubmit. Chairman Moloughney added
that since the new proposal shifts from condominiums with no land ownership to townhouses with
lot lines, the Board needs a subdivision plat. Mr. Bianchini agreed that the plan should show lot
bearings, distances and calculations.
Chairman Moloughney also commented that the project needs an area variance for the length of
the cul de sac. The project is on the agenda for the April 22nd Zoning Board of Appeals meeting.
Vice Chairman Badgely asked about lighting. Mr. Bianchini replied that the same carriage post
lanterns would grace each front lawn as on the original plans. Member Gariepy asked about the
surety on the stormwater basin installation and maintenance. Ms. Ashline-Heil replied that the
PDD legislation included all of the Planning Board’s conditions, including the surety.
Chairman Moloughney asked about the material specifications. Mr. Bianchini indicated that the
plans list DOT specs, subbase and pipe per the City’s requirements. He added that someone from
Tom McGrath’s office will inspect the construction.
Chairman Moloughney also asked that the bike path be connected to the Lansing Pool as an
amenity to the City. He also asked about landscaping and plantings on the land to be dedicated to
the City. At this time the land is cleared and needs better soil and erosion control measures. The
silt fence was torn down. Mr. Bianchini answered that the developer mostly planned to clean up
the land. Chairman Moloughney requested that the land be properly graded. Mr. Bianchini replied
that the ravine drops right off and that connecting the bike path may be difficult because of the
contours. Chairman Moloughney asked that City Engineer, Garry Nathan, and Review Engineer,
Tom McGrath, walk the slope with the design engineer in order to check its adequacy.
Vice Chairman Badgely moved to grant preliminary approval contingent on the items previously
discussed; Member Carboni seconded the motion. Roll of call taken and the motion passed
unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Edward Carboni X
Leo Badgley X
Sharon Gariepy X
CONSIDERATION OF APARTMENTS ON SARATOGA STREET
Jason Bell of Lansing Engineering described the two buildings proposed with 42 apartment units
in each. Two parking spaces would be available for each unit for a total of 164 spaces. The
project would connect to public facilities. However, the developer will install a separate storm
sewer line that discharges to the River.
Lansing Engineering received comments from the Review Engineer, Tom McGrath. Mr. Bell
indicated that the design crew agrees with Mr. McGrath. Most of the comments constituted
technical comments (for example, trenching details) or clean up of typos.
Vice Chairman Badgely asked about the trunk line size. Mr. Bell replied that it would be 40” to
the river. Chairman Moloughney clarified that the 36” intake line is different. Mr. Bell added that
the developer will reconstruct a concrete weir so that stormwater travels to the sewer during
normal flow and jumps the weir to discharge to the river during high flow.
Member Carboni asked if the stormwater system will use cartridges. Chairman Moloughney
added that the cartridges are listed on the plans. He wondered what make and model of cartridge
would be used and whether those were DEC approved. Mr. Bell replied that the CS units are DEC
approved. However, the model numbers were updated recently. Lansing Engineering included
that detail in the SWPPP. The SWPPP describes how the water will collect from the parking lot
and flow through the filter medium. The SWPPP also describes the maintenance of the system.
Member Carboni asked whether the developer would provide auxiliary parking. Jason replied no.
Chairman Moloughney commented that the parking meets the code requirements. In addition,
apartment dwellers usually do not host large parties. Ms. Ashline-Heil also added that the
apartments may have only one occupant, meaning extra parking would be available at all times.
Member Carboni asked about snow storage. Mr. Bell indicated that areas for snow storage are
available on the property. Member Carboni asked whether the snow storage areas contain any
manholes. Mr. Bell replied that no inlets were on the land where snow storage would be placed.
Chairman Moloughney asked if the stormline proposed under the sidewalk at the retaining wall
could be moved. Mr. Bell replied that it is water tight pipe. The only options were under the
sidewalk or rip into the road. Chairman Moloughney questioned whether repairs would collapse
the retaining wall.
Chairman Moloughney asked about the driveway entrance at Pine Street. The plans show a
disconnection of elevations. Mr. Bell replied that the developer hopes to make that section one
entrance for both the Old Mill End and the Saratoga Street Apartments. That would require
grading the land since it is the steepest portion.
Chairman Moloughney asked how the developer would connect the new and old retaining walls.
Mr. Bell replied that the final designs of building will determine which blocks the developer will
use. Which blocks used will determine how the two would connect. Each block company has its
own expert who will assist with designing the assembly.
Chairman Moloughney asked about pedestrian access to Saratoga Street. He asked whether the
elevations were the same from the street to the building. Mr. Bell confirmed both.
Chairman Moloughney asked about the adequacy of hydrants. Mr. Bell answered that one is
between the proposed buildings. Member Carboni asked if there would be sprinklers. Mr. Bell
was not sure. Ms. Ashline-Heil added that warning signs were needed for Pine Street prior to the
entrance and the plans should be submitted to the Traffic Commission. Chairman Moloughney
added that the plans should show the MUTCD number.
Member Carboni asked about lighting. Mr. Bell replied that showbox ornamental lighting along
with the light levels were shown on the plans. Chairman Moloughney added that the rear parking
area abuts the railroad tracks and library, so lighting would not be an issue.
Member Gariepy moved to approve the plans; Vice Chairman Badgely seconded the motion. Roll
of call was taken and the motion passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Edward Carboni X
Leo Badgley X
Sharon Gariepy X
Member Carboni moved to adjourn at 8:00pm; Member Gariepy seconded the motion. Roll of call
was taken and the motion passed unanimously.
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