Planning Board Agendas and Minutes
Regular MeetingCohoes, NY · July 12, 2010
Minutes
MINUTES OF THE COHOES PLANNING BOARD MEETING HELD ON JULY 12, 2010
AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COMMON COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF CITY HALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Edward Carboni
Vice-Chairman Clarence Badgley
Chairman Joseph Moloughney
Ms. Sharon Gariepy
Mr. Jake Dumesnil
ABSENT: Mr. Mark DeFruscio
ALSO PRESENT: Ms. Melissa Ashline-Heil, City Planner
CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 14, 2010 MEETING
Chairman Moloughney called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m. Chairman asked the planner to take
attendance call. Chairman asked the Board to decide whether to approve the minutes from the
June 14th, 2010 meeting. Member Carboni made a motion to approve the minutes of the June 14th
meeting. Vice Chairman Badgley seconded the motion. Roll of call was taken and the motion
passed.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Jake Dumesnil X
Mark DeFruscio ABSENT
CONSIDERATION OF A MINOR SUBDIVISION AT 98 AND 96 ADAMS AVENUE
Eileen Ouimet proposed moving the property line between 96 and 98 Adams Avenue. Chairman
Moloughney asked about placement of the fence. Mrs. Ouimet indicated that it would be moved to
reflect the new property line. Chairman Moloughney asked how far the homes are to the property
line. After measuring with a scale, it was determined that the homes still meet 10’ side setback
requirements for the R-2 zoning district.
Vice Chairman Badgley moved to approve the minor subdivision. Member Dumesnil seconded
the motion which passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Sharon Gariepy X
Jake Dumesnil X
CONSIDERATION OF A POOL AT 389 COLUMBIA STREET
Ray Daigneault proposed installing an above ground pool in the backyard of 389 Columbia Street.
Chairman Moloughney commented that the proposal exceeds setback requirements. Mr.
Daigneault added that the pool will be enclosed by fencing for safety reasons.
Member Dumesnil moved to approve the special use permit for an above ground pool. Vice
Chairman Badgley seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Sharon Gariepy X
Jake Dumesnil X
CONSIDERATION OF A SITE PLAN FOR 10 VLIET STREET
Current owner of the property, Edward Haddad, reemphasized that potential buyer, Akhtan
Muhammed, would improve the neighborhood by rehabilitating the structure and occupying what
is currently a vacant building. Chairman Moloughney countered that parking is the biggest issue.
Based on last month’s meeting the question remains whether the municipal lot would be
appropriate.
Melissa Ashline-Heil asked who owns the two parking spaces behind 10 Vliet Street. The
Assessor’s database indicates that 10 Vliet Street is 100’ wide by 17’ deep, which is the building’s
depth. Mr. Haddad indicated that he would check, and that if the SEC trustee owns it, he would
make it part of the purchase of 10 Vliet Street. He believes it may be part of 10 Willow Street.
Member Dumesnil asked how many bedrooms are in the second story apartment. Mr. Muhammed
indicated 2-3 bedrooms. The two parking spaces under discussion would serve the apartment.
Member Gariepy explained that the Planning Board needs a site plan showing the lot under
consideration and the neighboring properties in order to make any decisions. Chairman
Moloughney reiterated from last month that the project needs Historic Board approval. Member
Carboni questioned how a dumpster would fit in with the existing parking spaces. Chairman
Moloughney emphasized the need for a site plan to answer all of these questions.
April Kennedy described concerns residents have about the increase in traffic, parking, litter and
sight distance from people parking too close to the intersections. Mr. Haddad averred that other
businesses could not use the building. He also claimed that the building’s placement on the corner
impedes sight distance more than a few parked cars would. He suggested the City install “15
minute parking” signs. He works in a neighborhood with several restaurants, bars and grocers that
create the type of litter Council Member Kennedy described. He urges police to issue tickets for
littering. Otherwise, he believes people will continue to litter despite placing garbage cans in front
of businesses as Mr. Muhammed has agreed to do.
Vice Chairman Badgley asked if the proposed back entrance would be enclosed and lit. Mr.
Muhammed indicated the existing door will be enclosed, but that he will provide lighting.
Member Carboni pointed out that the neighboring municipal parking lot would have to be striped
9x20 with car stops. Chairman Moloughney explained that the Board is not in a position to
approve because the applicant must submit a site plan. He recommended the applicant discuss
with the City how to lay out the parking spaces and what improvements would be needed.
Cohoes resident Randy Konieswa disagrees with the Board asking the applicant to invest in the
municipal lot. Instead, he believes the City should provide that amenity, especially since the
applicant will be rehabilitating an historic building. He painted Cohoes’ history and geography as
a series of neighborhoods, and he reminisced about visiting the corner neighborhood store during
his own childhood in Cohoes.
Ms. Ashline-Heil commented that it is not unusual for municipalities to require developers to
invest in the municipality’s resources that the developer will be using or rely on. In addition it is
within the Planning Board’s discretion to require contribution to maintenance of the parking lot
when an applicant requires the municipal lot to meet parking requirements. Member Gariepy
further described the holistic approach as mitigating the applicants’ reliance on municipal parking.
Mr. Haddad agreed with the resident that requiring car stops would be too much to ask. He
reiterated how much money the applicant proposes to invest in 10 Vliet Street, which now stands
vacant and in poor condition. He continued with how beneficial the building’s improvements
would be for the City. Ms. Ashline-Heil countered that it is the current owner’s responsibility to
maintain the building. Any potential buyer would be in a position to reduce the purchase price if
the building requires that much work.
Chairman Moloughney agreed that the car stops might be expensive. Member Dumesnil asked
which way the cars face now since car stops may not be necessary. Chairman Moloughney offered
that the City would have to determine the parking configuration and what improvements are
needed.
Otherwise, the board is amenable to the proposal. The applicant must submit plans and gain
historic approval before action can be taken. Later during the evening, Mr. Haddad returned to the
Planning Board meeting with photographs of the property and available on street parking as well
as a few empty spaces in the municipal lot.
Vice Chairman Badgley recommended tabling the request until the Board receives the appropriate
materials. Member Gariepy seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Sharon Gariepy X
Jake Dumesnil X
CONSIDERATION OF A SITE PLAN FOR AN ICE CREAM WINDOW AT 211
COLUMBIA STREET
John Onyon resubmitted plans for an ice cream window at 211 Columbia Street. In the new plan,
only six parking spaces would be provided on the Mann Avenue side. On the Columbia Street
side, existing parking spaces would be turned into an area for tables. The applicant proposes
placing flower boxes between the 5’ sidewalk and the tables.
Member Carboni pointed out that some of the parking blocks the existing garage. Mr. Onyon
responded that one space blocks the garage. However, the current owner rarely uses the garage.
Once or twice a week the owner would need to drive in or out of the garage. Even so, the landlord
is aware of the proposal.
Member Carboni asked where the antique store would be located in the building. Mr. Onyon
replied that the antique store would move out of the space. Only the ice cream window would
operate out of 211 Columbia Street.
Chairman Moloughney stated that the spaces closest to the intersection are too dangerous to
permit. The cars would back out into a busy intersection. Instead, he suggested making those
spaces into one handicapped accessible space. He also commented on the possibility of parallel
parking on Columbia Street. However, the applicant needs a zoning variance for the number of off
street parking spaces provided.
Member Carboni asked what feedback neighbors have provided. Council Representative Diane
Nolin expressed concern about pedestrian and traffic safety. When she visited the site, there was
only one on street parking space available. However, the variance procedure will address
neighbor’s concerns.
Chairman Moloughney explained that the cars should not park past the edge of the building. On
street parking is prohibited for 20’ from the point of the intersection. New driveways must be 50’
from the intersection.
Member Dumesnil sought reassurance there would not be a second business in the building.
Chairman Moloughney pointed out that the Board could condition any approval. The applicant
added that he has a long term lease with the option to buy.
As a result, Member Gariepy moved to table the proposal to seek a variance. Member Carboni
seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Sharon Gariepy X
Jake Dumesnil X
Member Carboni made a motion to adjourn at 7:40pm. Vice Chairman Badgley seconded the
motion. Roll of call was taken and the motion passed unanimously.
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