Planning Commission
Regular MeetingDanbury, CT · September 18, 2024
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on Auto Repair for a Previously Approved Site located within the Public Water Supply
Watershed District.) Zoning Commission public hearing scheduled for September 24, 2024.
Mr. Chiocchio made a motion to give this a positive recommendation with the addition of
the following provisions to the proposed amendment language:
1) All required certifications shall be submitted, prepared, signed and sealed by a
professional engineer licensed and registered in the State of Connecticut.
2) Limit to Class II only.
3) The minimum lot area shall be three (3) acres and be located in the CA-80 Zoning
District.
4) The use shall be served by municipal water and sewer.
5) The facility shall be licensed as a new car dealer in accordance with the State of CT
DMV requirements.
6) All activities related to auto repair servicing, including detailing/washing, shall
occur within the primary building, which shall not be located within 100 ft. of a
wetland/watercourse that drains into a reservoir.
7) The on-site storage of fuel shall be prohibited.
8) Auto body repair shall be prohibited.
9) Loading areas/docks shall be covered.
10) The applicant shall obtain any and all necessary permits from CT DEEP for
wastewater discharges.
11) All repair, loading areas/docks, and washing/detailing activities shall have floor
drains that discharge to a properly designed and sized oil-grit separator that directly
discharges to municipal sanitary sewer.
12) Containment for any hazardous materials, including the storage of vehicle fluids
and lead-acid batteries shall be 125% of the size of the containment vessel.
13) Hooded catch basins shall be utilized in the stormwater management system.
14) Submission of a Spill Prevention Plan.
15) Submission of a Waste Management Plan that includes the removal of all liquid
waste related to the servicing and detailing of automobiles.
The reasons given for the positive recommendation are: this proposal is in compliance with
the Land Use and Environmental Resources goal of the Plan of Conservation &
Development which recommends review and update of the regulations to ensure the City’s
environmental resources are adequately protected. And with the addition of the provisions
listed above, the necessary precautions would be in place to enhance protections in the
watershed. The motion was seconded by Mrs. Hoffstaetter and passed unanimously by
voice vote with five ayes (from Mr. Chiocchio, Mr. Haas, Mrs. Hoffstaetter, Mr. Salvagne,
and Chairman Finaldi).
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8-24 Referral – September City Council Agenda Item #4: Request for Renewal of Previously
Approved Water & Sewer Extensions for Parcels on Great Plain and Great Meadow Roads.
Mrs. Hoffstaetter made a motion to give this a positive recommendation subject to the same
density restriction limiting this to 63 single-family homes. This recommendation is also
subject to compliance with the Zoning Regulations development standards, the standard
Public Works/Engineering Dept. requirements for sewer & water main extensions and,
lastly, all final plans and documents should be approved by Corporation Counsel prior to
acceptance and recording. The motion was seconded by Mr. Salvagne and passed
unanimously by voice vote with five ayes (from Mr. Chiocchio, Mr. Haas, Mrs.
Hoffstaetter, Mr. Salvagne, and Chairman Finaldi).
PUBLIC HEARING(S):
3775, LLC – Application for Special Exception/Site Plan Approval for Nine Home Cluster
Development (Section 4.A.6.) in the RA-20 Zone – 1, 3, & Un-numbered lot Pembroke Road
( G08029, G08030, & G08098) – SE #800.
Chairman Finaldi read the legal notice regarding this application. PE Benjamin Doto spoke
in favor of this application. He said also with him this evening is the applicant, Edward
Kilian Jr. and PE Ray Janeiro from Down To Earth Consulting (DTEC), which is a
Geotechnical and Environmental Engineering firm. He said Attorney Marcus is
representing Mr. Kilian but he had a conflict so he will not be here this evening. He said
they also have a landscape architect, Dean Pushlar but he too is not here this evening. He
then described the location as being a 5.1 acre site located on Pembroke Road that is across
the street from the Cue Restaurant and Stetson Place. He said there are existing buildings
on the site that have been used for commercial purposes. The site was rezoned last year
from RA-40 (one acre zoning) to RA-20 (half acre zoning). He continued saying that this
proposal is for a nine home cluster development, which does not give you more density, it
pushes the units together and limits the amount of roadway and driveway while promoting
the use of the open space. There is City water and sewer available to serve the proposed
units. These will be single-family detached residences that will all be located on one lot,
similar to a condominium development where people will own their house and the land
that it sits on but everything else will under common ownership. The road that is shown on
the plans will be a private road that will not be maintained by the City. It will look just like
a City street, but technically is a private driveway. They are also proposing a swimming
pool with a pool house and a sports court in the back. These will be located in the open
space area and will be for the use of the residents of the development. There is a cul-de-
sac at the end of the roadway to allow people to turn around and also some parking at the
pool area. The site will be improved with a stormwater management system, and there are
some wetlands located in the back of the property along the border of the Amber Room
property. There also are wetlands located across the street and on the property to the north
of this site. They received approval from the Environmental Impact Commission during
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the summer. EIC did ask for some additional information which is just an expanded
landscape plan and a sequencing plan on how the material is going to be removed from the
site. He said they also had concerns about some old machine and farm equipment, and
some car frames located in the woods on the site. These all were there when the applicant
purchased the property and will be removed from the site as part of the development. He
said both of the commercial buildings have been demolished. They do have to do some
extensive rock removal as there is a lot of ledge on the site. He said they will need to
remove 120,000 cubic yards of material in order to build what they are proposing. He said
the wetlands commission asked that there be no crushing or processing of materials on the
site. The applicant has agreed that when the rock is excavated, it will be loaded and hauled
off site, and any crushing or processing of the materials will be done at a proper facility.
One of the biggest issues with this site is that it sits on the inside of a curve when you are
traveling north and south on Pembroke Road. This proposal was designed with the intent
to make significant improvements because as it exists, there are some bad sight lines
coming either way. There also is some topography that will have to be removed in order
to address this issue. He then shared his screen to present a colored version of the site plan.
He pointed out the areas where the grade will need to be taken down. He then referred to
the grading plan showing the significant amount of material to be removed in order to the
lower the grades to the site. He said they evaluated the drainage at three locations and with
the installation of the stormwater drainage system, they are proposing reductions in
stormwater runoff at all locations and overall for the site. He referred to the new
landscaping plan which is different than what was submitted with the application. He said
that the Planning Department asked for more trees and some planting beds. He spoke about
the construction plans, explaining the phasing plans, and where the will store the building
materials. He pointed out where the sidewalks will be installed and said there is plenty of
parking available. Each house will have a two-car garage and there is room for two more
cars in each driveway. The houses will all be about 3,000 square feet in area including the
garage which is about 500 square feet. He said he would leave the rest of the presentation
to Mr. Janeiro.
PE Ray Janeiro, from Down To Earth Consulting (DTEC), said this site is generally
undeveloped when it comes to rock excavation, there are grades that increase in elevation
from west to east and there is an abundant amount of bedrock located on the site. He added
that in order for the proposal to work, there will have to be cuts and fills. He said that based
on the plans, there will have to be a fifty foot maximum cut along the southern side of the
site. He said they will have to do Geotechnical borings and engineering will be required to
finalize design of the proposed rock slope. The nearest residential structures are setback
about 50 to 200 feet from proposed disturbance limits. In order to maintain the integrity of
the slopes, they will be using a qualified blasting contractor, and submitting detailed
blasting plans. These plans will include an estimation of blasting induced vibrations versus
distance, performance of a test blast, and preconstruction surveys of adjacent properties.
He said his company was brought on board because the applicant knew of their work on
other Danbury area projects. He explained in complete graphic detail the steps that would
be necessary to develop this parcel and maintain the dedicated rock catchment area. He
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added that this area will need to be cleared out by whoever is responsible for the
maintenance of the development. He said it could be a condition of the City’s approval or
become something that the Homeowners association would be responsible for. He said
there is much more he could say, but there are other issues he needs to discuss. One issue
being that rock is variable and they don’t really know what they are dealing with until they
start the excavation. He said because of this, Mr. Doto has left a lot of room to the north,
south and in the rear in case they need to make a modification to the rock catchment area.
He said he worked with Mr. Doto to be sure that what was shown on the site plan could
actually be built. He said based on the volume of rock (120,000 cubic yards)that needs to
be removed, they are providing recommendations for the design and construction or the
excavation. He said that standard practice in all towns, is that prior to any rock excavation
or blasting activities, the blasting subcontractor needs to get a permit from the Fire Marshal.
This blasting contractor must be licensed and have had enough experience to be able to
handle a project of this magnitude. During the actual excavation there are three quality
control procedures that will be necessary. The first one is a pre-blast condition survey
which will be offered to the owners of parcels within a five-hundred foot radius of this
project. There will be test blasts performed and once the charge is detonated, they will
collect the data in a seismograph format to be used during the actual blasting. The third is
that the blasting subcontractor is required to monitor for over-blasts and vibrations as part
of their liability insurance. He said they also recommend that the neighbors hire a separate
engineering firm to monitor vibrations and endure that the rock is being removed in
accordance with the prevailing standards of care and all applicable safety standards. There
were some questions from Mrs. Hoffstaetter and Mr. Chiocchio regarding the location of
the rock. Mr. Janeiro pointed out that the majority of the rock excavation will occur
towards the rear of the site where the amenities are located. They also discussed how high
the excavation would be and Mr. Doto pointed out various areas including the cul-de-sac
and said what people will see are the rock faces from the cuts. He added that EIC really
pushed for them to add more landscaping to balance the site. Mr. Janeiro then said the
bedrock is granitic gneiss, a nice looking pink and white rock, which is important because
all of the rock cuts will be aesthetically pleasing versus looking at a concrete retaining wall.
There was further discussion about how the rocks will break and maintaining safety and
stability of the rock slope. Mr. Doto said based on this specific site, they decided to bring
Mr. Janeiro in at this point instead of just hiring him when it is time for them to get the
permits. He added that this plan works with the zoning and does not require any variances.
It also achieves a lot of the issues that the Zoning Commission had when they approved
the rezoning.
Chairman Finaldi asked if there was anyone to speak in opposition to this application and
two people raised their hands. The first person, Deb Kennedy, 71A Padanaram Road, could
not get her microphone to work. Chairman Finaldi mentioned that the hearing will be
continued so she can try again at that meeting.
The second person to speak in opposition was Ken Gucker, 89 Padanaram Road. Mr.
Gucker said he has lived at this location for 38 years and when Stetson Place was built, it
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did a lot of damage to the area which resulted in many drainage problems for the existing
development in this area. Mr. Gucker said that he understands that the experts and
engineers know what they are talking about but he just wants to tell the Commission about
the issues he had to suffer through. He described how his property was affected by the
blasting for Stetson Place even though he is more than five-hundred feet from it. He said
this area has quite the ground rock or ledge, pointing out that he has a piece of ledge
sticking up in his crawl space that has been there since 1966 when the house was built. He
said since the blasting for Stetson Place, he has water problems in the basement, cracks in
his floors, and all of his doors are crooked. He said five-hundred feet is not enough of a
distance for the blasting because his home was at least two thousand feet from Stetson
Place and he had significant damage. He then said with respect to this proposal, he is
concerned about the amount of fill they are planning to remove and how long will it take.
He also is concerned about the condition of the site because the rock outcroppings are
tremendous now. He questioned the idea of a cluster development which he thought was
done to preserve the environment. He said this proposal is not preserving any environment,
it is removing everything and then re-introducing all the landscaping and the houses onto
the site. And requiring maintenance of a site to preserve or protect what the engineers have
designed is a job that no homeowners association wants. He said his concern is for after
the construction is done and things arise that were not planned for. He added that he knows
his property is located within a watershed, and when a house was built on the lot next door,
all kinds of water springs popped up. In closing he asked that the Commission take a really
hard look at this proposal and also consider increasing the diameter to five-hundred feet
for the blasting.
Since there was no one else to speak in opposition, Chairman Finaldi asked Ms. Smith
which departmental reports they are still waiting for. Ms. Smith said Engineering, Health
regarding the grading, and the Fire Marshal, whose review will include the blasting plans.
Mr. Janeiro then asked Chairman Finaldi if he could respond to Mr. Gucker’s comments.
Mr. Janeiro said Mr. Gucker expressed some real concerns and although he is not familiar
with the project Mr. Gucker was referencing, he did want to address the issues. He said
when they do the vibrations monitoring, the seismographs are sensitive to any structure
that may have an impact associated with the blasting. He added that the human body is
also very perceptible and sensitive to all vibrations, even from as far as New Jersey. He
said the US Bureau of Mines has done extensive research on blasting and impacts on
structure. So that is the reason why the applicant hired them to provide the third party
oversight, to be sure that all applicable safety standards are being followed during the rock
excavation. In closing he said that he may not know who will be responsible for the
maintenance of the site but he develops a maintenance plan for each project and that plan
has very often been incorporated into the Homeowners Association (HOA) bylaws. He said
his name and phone number are listed on the plan and generally on an annual basis, the
HOA hires a qualified PE to check the site out and make sure everything is operating as
planned. He added that this is about more than just an overgrown detention basin, it is about
the quality of life. At this point, Mr. Doto said that this site is not in the Padanaram
Agenda
Filed in Town Clerk’s Office on September 12, 2024 @ 5:29 PM.
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ROLL CALL:
ACCEPTANCE OF MINUTES: September 4, 2024.
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THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 3, 2024.
PUBLIC HEARING(S):
Click on link for Legal Notice of Public Hearing.
3775, LLC – Application for Special Exception/Site Plan Approval for Nine Home Cluster
Development (Section 4.A.6.) in the RA-20 Zone – 1, 3, & Un-numbered lot Pembroke
Road ( G08029, G08030, & G08098) – SE #800.
Click on link for:
Special Exception/Site Plan Applications.
Map Set.
Engineering Report.
Drainage Calculations.
Merged Departmental Staff Reports as of 09/12/24.
CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING: None.
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OLD BUSINESS FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION:
REFERRAL(S):
1) 8-3a Referral – Petition of JM Zell Partners LLC/Danbury P LLC to Amend Section
7.C.3.a.(1)(e) and Add Section 7.C.3.a.(4) of the Zoning Regulations. (Limit the
Prohibition on Auto Repair for a Previously Approved Site located within the Public
Water Supply Watershed District) Zoning Commission public hearing is scheduled for
September 24, 2024.
Click on link for
Amendment Petition.
Planning Department Staff Report.
2) 8-24 Referral – September City Council Agenda Item #4: Request for Renewal of
Previously Approved Water & Sewer Extensions for Parcels on Great Plain and Great
Meadow Roads.
Click on link for Planning Department Staff Report on 8-24 Referral.
NEW BUSINESS:
1) Petition of the City of Danbury by Waleed Albakry, Planning Director to Add Subsection
5.B.5.d. to the Zoning Regulations. (Refine requirements for Dependency Treatment
Center in the CA-80 Zone). Public hearing scheduled for October 22, 2024.
2) 55 Kenosia KB, LLC - Application for Floodplain Permit for Central Bark, 55 Kenosia
Avenue (E17079) - Revised SP #85-31.
CORRESPONDENCE: None.
OTHER MATTERS FOR DISCUSSION & POSSIBLE ACTION:
FOR REFERENCE ONLY:
1) Reedle Deedle Realty LLC – Application for Special Exception/Site Plan Approval for
Sale or Rental of Automobiles and Trucks (Ineos Grenadier Auto Dealership, Service
Center, & Collision Center) in the IL-40 zone in accordance with Section 6.A.2.b.(13) of
the Zoning Regulations – 17 Miry Brook Road (G18019) – SE #802. Public hearing
scheduled for October 2, 2024.
2) Reedle Deedle Realty LLC – Application for Floodplain Permit for 17 Miry Brook Road
(G18019) – SE #802.
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