Planning Commission
Regular MeetingDerby, KS · May 2, 2013
Minutes
CITY OF DERBY
PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED MINUTES
May 2, 2013 6:30 PM
MEMBERS PRESENT: Gunter Hansen, Sue Wright, Doug Chambers, Kelly Farber,
Keith Volz, Pat Baer, Jack Hezlep, Shawn Riley, Tasha Brackeen, Choose an item., Choose
an item.
MEMBERS ABSENT: Josh Kippenberger
CITY STAFF PRESENT: Cody Bird, City Planner, Marcia Hartman, Recording Secretary
CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES:
Minutes of Thursday, April 18, 2013 Planning Commission Meeting
MOTION: Jack Hezlep
SECOND: Gunter Hansen
VOTE: 8-0-1, Shawn Riley abstained
PUBLIC FORUM OPENED
PUBLIC FORUM CLOSED
MEETING DATE: May 2, 2013
AGENDA ITEM NO: 1
CASE DESCRIPTION: Continuation of Public Hearing – Amendments to Article 7 of
the Derby Zoning Ordinance
APPLICANT: City of Derby
REASON FOR REQUEST: Establish regulations for Electronic Message Signs
BACKGROUND INFORMATION:
Electronic message signs and light emitting diode (LED) signs are an increasingly
popular and available technology used for commercial advertising.
Due to the nature of electronic message signs, it is advisable to establish regulations
to ensure the safety of vehicular and pedestrian traffic and to recognize aesthetic
values and visual enhancement of the community.
A Public Hearing is required to amend the ordinance.
o Notice of the Public Hearing was originally published in the city’s official
newspaper on March 27, 2013.
o The Public Hearing was held at the April 18, 2013 regular Planning
Commission meeting.
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o City Staff presented proposed amendments which included new definitions for
terms specifically pertaining to electronic message signs and suggested
regulations for display brightness, locations, and sizes of electronic message
signs.
o Discussion included the need to address the following:
Apply the same electronic message sign regulations to all potential
users – Do not differentiate between commercial users and churches
and schools;
Adopt measures to ensure that single-family residences are protected
from any injurious effects of electronic message signs;
Need for regulations controlling maximum permitted brightness;
Consider maximum permitted heights of electronic message signs;
Regulate the location of electronic message signs on a zoning lot (e.g.
100 foot setback from single-family residential properties);
Adopt sufficient regulations to control adverse effects, but do not limit
the artistic nature of the variety of sign mediums.
Following discussion, the Commission approved a motion to continue the public
hearing in accordance with Article 11, Section 1100.F.8. of the Zoning Ordinance:
The motion stated that the Public Hearing was to be continued during the regularly
scheduled Planning Commission meeting on May 2, 2013 commencing at 6:30 in the
City Council Chambers located at 611 N. Mulberry Rd., Derby, Kansas.
o The Commission shall prepare its findings and the factors on which to base its
recommendation and will vote at the conclusion of the hearing.
STAFF COMMENTS:
Some of the Commission’s discussion topics from the April 18, 2013 meeting are
addressed in the previously proposed amendments:
o Regulations pertaining to electronic message sign brightness – Section
704.E.2.d. establishes a maximum brightness level of 5,000 nits between
sunrise and sunset and 500 nits between sunset and sunrise. This section
further requires that a light sensing device be installed to automatically
adjust the brightness in accordance with these standards.
o Maximum permitted heights of electronic message signs – Height of signs
is already addressed in Section 706 for each zoning district. Staff
recommends that the maximum limits already in place for height of signs
along with the brightness levels specified will be sufficient to minimize the
potentially injurious effects of electronic message signs.
o Artistic nature of signs – If adopted, the proposed amendments will
establish requirements for electronic message signs which regulate the
time, place and manner of display. The proposed amendments are
content-neutral and do not impose any regulations which eliminate creativity
or artistic expression.
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Staff recommends the following changes to address the Commission’s discussion
from the April 18, 2013 public hearing:
o Section 701 – Included “Video Display Sign” with Electronic Message Sign
and added a definition for “Video Display Sign.”
o Section 701 – Modified the definition of “Ground Sign” to remove the term
‘monolithic’ and to clarify that all structural components of a sign must be
completely enclosed.
o Section 704.E.2. – Added a new subsection “a” to establish size dimensions
for all electronic message signs. It is proposed that any electronic message
sign under 25 square feet be permitted. If the proposed electronic message
portion of a sign is greater than 25 square feet, it cannot exceed 25% of the
gross surface area of the sign, provided that no electronic message sign
shall exceed 50 square feet.
o Section 704.E.2. – Added a new subsection “b” to require a 100 foot
setback between any electronic message sign and a single-family
residential property, as measured from the nearest edge of the sign to the
nearest property line of the single-family residential property.
o Section 704.E.2.k. – Removed the word “adjacent” from subparagraph “k”
because it was redundant.
o Section 705.C.2.h. – Changed timeframe for removal of political signs to
seven (7) days as was discussed. Also modified language to give Zoning
Administrator the authority to remove political signs after 7 days have
passed instead of stating that the Zoning Administrator will remove political
signs after 7 days have passed.
o Section 706. – Removed electronic message signs from the list of “Type,
Size and/or Maximum Gross Surface Area of Signs Authorized” for each
zoning district.
Subparagraph 4 of Sections A through E of 706 references Section
704.E. of the Ordinance for Illuminated Signs. Section 704.E. was
amended to include the same size regulations applicable to all
zoning districts.
In addition to the proposed amendments presented at the April 18, 2013 meeting
and the above additions, Staff is also recommending the following amendments:
o Section 701 – Added a definition for “Message Sequencing.”
o Section 702 – Added subsections “K” and “L” to include Electronic Message
Signs on moving vehicles and signs employing sound projecting devices or
audio content to the list of prohibited signs.
o Section 704.E.2. – Added a new subparagraph “c” to require that a
minimum distance of 50 linear feet separate any two electronic message
signs.
o Section 704.E.2. – Added a new subparagraph “f” to clarify that changes
from frame to frame shall be instantaneous and without transitions.
o Section 704.E.2. – Subparagraph “g” – Modified a previously proposed
amendment to include video as a permitted frame effect, provided that
frame effects are not used to transition to a new frame. This paragraph
also prohibits the use of “dissolve” and “fade.” “Scrolling” or “travelling” text
was also included as prohibited frame effects.
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o Section 704.E.2. – Added a new subparagraph “h” to require each
individual frame display a complete message. This is in order to prevent
“Message Sequencing” as defined in Section 701. This is in order to
ensure the safety of motor vehicle drivers which may be distracted while
watching an electronic message sign to see the second or subsequent
portions of a message.
All proposed amendments to Article 7 are marked on the attachment.
RECOMMENDATION:
Move to approve the amendments to Article 7 of the Zoning Ordinance of the City of
Derby, subject to Planning Commission comments.
Attachments: Proposed amendments
DISCUSSION:
Cody Bird – indicated that this meeting was a continuation of the April 18, 2013 public
hearing for establishing regulations for electronic message signs. No further legal
publication was required. Cody asked the members to review the new suggested
changes that resulted from the discussion at the April 18 hearing.
Keith Volz – commented on the ground sign definition and had concerns regarding the
aspect of encasing the structure. The interpretation indicates that pole signs could have
the poles encased and continue to look like pole signs.
Kelly Farber – said the term “monolithic” helps to define the structure to be the same
width for enclosure from top to bottom, rather than allowing encased poles.
Cody Bird – agreed with Keith’s point and said that we should allow enough flexibility for
creative design, such as tapering.
Kelly Farber – felt that the recent Shelton Collision sign example fits the definition of
monolithic.
Keith Volz – asked if we could consider defining sign structure by a fraction of the total
sign, such as 1/3 of the width of the top.
Kelly Farber – said the sign would still need to be enclosed and solid.
Gunter Hansen – recommended the definition to say 2/3.
Cody Bird – recapped the members’ points asking if they want to keep the term
monolithic in the existing definition and add another sentence that quantifies percentage
or 2/3 of the overall width of the sign.
Kelly Farber – expressed concern about specifying sign portions as 2/3.
Sue Wright – asked if regulations were due to safety or aesthetics.
Keith Volz – answered aesthetics.
Keith Volz, Kelly Farber, Sue Wright – asked who made determinations on sign issues
when applicants disagree with the regulations.
Cody Bird – responded that the Zoning Administrator makes decisions on signs unless a
conditional use is required. Conditional Use signs require approval of the Board of
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Zoning Appeals. Applicants have the right to appeal decisions of the Zoning
Administrator. Such appeals are also taken to the Board of Zoning Appeals.
Kelly Farber – indicated that he would not have a problem with establishing a
requirement for the base to be 2/3 the width of the widest part of the sign, and keeping
the monolithic definition.
Sue Wright & Keith Volz – further discussed the ground sign definition.
Cody Bird – recapped the discussion: the current definition for ground sign would be kept
and the Commission may or may not include the percentage or fraction for the width of
the base. The Zoning Administrator determines if a proposed sign meets the definition.
If the applicant disagrees, the matter would go before the Board of Zoning Appeals as a
Conditional Use Sign.
Cody Bird – said he felt comfortable with the direction the members had provided and
concluded that the proposed amendments to the definition of “ground sign” would be
removed. The current definition would remain in effect.
Sue Wright – asked the difference between ground signs and monument signs.
Cody Bird – answered that the difference is in the height, which is defined in the district
regulations.
Kelly Farber – asked Cody if it would be helpful to add fractions into the definition.
Cody Bird – answered that it would add clarification but is not necessary.
Cody Bird – asked the Commission if there were any comments on the electronic
message signs from the continuation of the last discussion. He said the definition of a
video display sign was added and indicated he understood from the commission that
these signs were not overly distracting as long as they were within the size and
dimensional requirements. He asked the members if they were agreeable to this.
Commission – agreed.
Cody Bird – addressed the discussion on the size of the signs. The original proposed
amendments suggested 50 square feet for B1 and B2 districts and 100 sq ft for B3 and
B5. He said that the members had suggested a consistent size for all districts. Cody
removed the size from the districts and placed it in the general standards section, making
the size requirements the same in all districts – 50 square feet maximum.
Keith Volz – asked if that would allow for signs like the Derby Friends Church.
Cody Bird – answered yes; as the proposed amendment is written, if a sign is 25 square
feet or less, the whole sign may be for electronic messages; but if it’s over 25 square
feet, it must be less the 25% of the overall sign up to a maximum of 50 square feet.
Keith Volz – indicated that the language on 7-14.b was well written regarding the distance
from residential property.
Cody Bird – asked if there were any questions or modifications on the new additions that
weren’t discussed at the last meeting. Some new definitions were added, such as
“message sequencing” which would prevent signs from displaying lengthy messages in
short segments, thus requiring drivers to keep their attention on the sign for prolonged
periods of time.
Shawn Riley – asked if there was a definition for frame.
Cody Bird – answered that it was on page 7-5.
Keith Volz – asked for clarification on the difference between a frame and the sign itself.
Cody Bird – likened the frame of an electronic message sign to a slide of a PowerPoint
presentation.
Shawn Riley – asked if continuous messaging was defined as messaging going across
the board.
Cody Bird – said yes, that was the intention of message sequencing.
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Shawn Riley – asked how it would be enforced.
Cody Bird – answered that code enforcement would report it and staff would notify the
owner.
Shawn Riley and Kelly Farber – questioned the interpretation of scrolling versus
messages appearing by frame.
Cody Bird –said the language was rewritten for subparagraph “g” on page 7-14, but
indicated that it may need to be revised.
Kelly Farber – provided an example of a sign reading “Go Derby Panthers” with one word
appearing on each frame that would not meet the language requirements.
Cody Bird – said that was a good point to consider. He asked if the message sequencing
should be removed.
Kelly Farber – asked if message sequencing was a current problem.
Cody Bird – answered that this recommendation came from conducting research of other
sign regulations and was included to address this type of situation before it became a
problem.
Members – all agreed that the language should be changed.
Kelly Farber – asked members if they were okay with the definition of message
sequencing, but not the restriction to prohibit it.
Shawn Riley – recommended removing subparagraphs “f,” “g,” and “h.”
Kelly Farber – pointed out that the new regulations should not be so restrictive that it
would make things difficult for businesses to abide by the sign ordinance.
Members – agreed to remove subparagraphs “f,” “g,” and “h” and to note the change in
the motion.
Kelly Farber – asked members for any other questions.
Cody Bird – provided a summary of the changes to the proposed amendments. The
changes included: (1) keeping the current definition of a “ground sign;” and (2) removing
subparagraphs “f,” “g,” and “h” from the Illuminated Signs section on page 7-14. All other
comments were general discussion with no changes.
Pat Baer – moved to approve the amendments to Article 7 of the Zoning Ordinance of the
City of Derby, subject to Planning Commission comments and subject to the definition of
“ground sign” to remain as it is stated in the current Zoning Ordinance, and to omit
subparagraphs “f,” “g,” and “h” from the proposed amendments.
MOTION: Pat Baer
SECOND: Tasha Brackeen
VOTE: 9-0-0, unanimous
MEETING DATE: May 2, 2013
AGENDA ITEM NO: 2
CASE DESCRIPTION: New Commissioner Orientation
Cody Bird – announced the departure of 4 members, Kelly Farber, Keith Volz, Tasha
Brackeen and Sue Wright, and asked if they had any parting words. He asked that the
Planning Commission materials be returned to staff. If members wished to keep the
materials, he asked that they allow staff to ensure copies are current.
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At this time, the 4 exiting members stepped down from the bench and new
members took seats on the Commission.
Cody Bird – introduced the new Commission members: Herman Hicks, Dennis Poteete
and Kathy Wills (Mitch Adams was absent).
New Members – provided brief introductions.
MEETING DATE: May 2, 2013
AGENDA ITEM NO: 3
CASE DESCRIPTION: Election of Officers
Jack Hezlep – nominated Pat Baer to be Chairman.
Pat Baer – accepted the nomination.
MOTION: Jack Hezlep
SECOND: Shawn Riley
VOTE: 8-0-0, unanimous
Shawn Riley – nominated Jack Hezlep to be Vice Chairman.
Jack Hezlep – accepted the nomination.
MOTION: Shawn Riley
SECOND: Pat Baer
VOTE: 8-0-0, unanimous
Cody Bird, City Planner – is appointed as ex officio Secretary of the Commission and an
election is not required, in accordance with the By-Laws of the Planning Commission.
MOTION TO ADJOURN: Pat Baer
SECOND: Gunter Hansen
VOTE: 8-0-0
Meeting adjourned at 8:30pm
Marcia Hartman Pat Baer
Recording Secretary Chairman
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Agenda
CITY OF DERBY
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MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
May 2, 2013
6:30 PM
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CALL MEETING TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES: Planning Commission Meeting of April 18
2013.
PUBLIC FORUM
AGENDA ITEMS
1. Continuation of Public Hearing – Amendments to Article 7 of the Zoning
Ordinance
2. New Commissioner Orientation
3. Election of Officers
ADJOURN
NEXT CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES:
May 14 Gunter Hansen
May 28 Jack Hezlep
June 11 Josh Kippenberger
June 25 Shawn Riley
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