City Council

The Regular Monthly Meeting of Dupont Borough Council was called to order at 7:00pm on Tuesday evening November 14, 2023 by President of Council, Stanley Knick. Pledge of Allegiance. Roll Call: Mr. Knick – Present Mr. Kowalczyk – Present Mr. Karkut – Present Mr. Price – Present Mr. Jones – Present Mayor Lello – Present Mr. Knick noted the Council attended a powerpoint presentation by Code Enforcement Officer Tamburello prior to the meeting which showed several properties that have received Notice of Violations under the Building Codes. The pictures were not to be shown to the public. MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 10TH REGULAR MEETING AND OCTOBER 14TH SPECIAL MEETING OF COUNCIL AND PLACE ON FILE Motion: Mr. Karkut Second: Mr. Jones Roll Call Vote: Mr. Knick, yes; Mr. Kowalczyk, yes; Mr. Karkut, yes; Mr. Price, yes; Mr. Jones, yes. Motion Carried 5/0. MOTION TO ACCEPT CORRESPONDENCE. Motion: Mr. Price Second: Mr. Jones Roll Call Vote: Mr. Knick, yes; Mr. Kowalczyk, yes; Mr. Karkut, yes; Mr. Price, yes; Mr. Jones, yes. Motion Carried 5/0. MOTION TO APPROVE BILLS FOR PAYMENT Motion: Mr. Jones Second: Mr. Karkut Roll Call Vote: Mr. Knick, yes; Mr. Kowalczyk, yes; Mr. Karkut, yes; Mr. Price, yes; Mr. Jones, yes. Motion Carried 5/0. MOTION TO APPOINT PART TIME POLICE OFFICERS FROM NOVEMBER 14, 2023 TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF COUNCIL WITH NO GUARANTEE OF WORK: Bryan Besecker, Duane Saunders, Jennifer Polemitis, Christopher Fargione, Michael Sniscak, John Tamburello Motion: Mr. Price Second: Mr. Jones Roll Call Vote: Mr. Knick, yes; Mr. Kowalczyk, yes; Mr. Karkut, yes; Mr. Price, yes; Mr. Jones, yes. Motion Carried 5/0. REPORTS: Treasurer’s Report: submitted by Albert B. Melone Company, Business Consultants General Fund –$103,743.64 Payroll Fund - $8,313.18 ARPA Fund - $96,130.29 Computer Grant - $6,060.46 Admin Debit Card - $22.13 Police Debit Card - $169.03 Refuse Fund - $116,972.36 Sewer Maintenance Fund - $379,625.50 Liquid Fuels - $218,657.97 Police Pension Fund - $1,109,295.74 Special Fund - $127,629.38 Tax Collector’s Report: submitted by Susan Gregory, Tax Collector Check deposited in general fund - $2,252.64 Balance Collectable end of month - $ 18,426.97 Mayor’s Report: None Police Report: Chief Doran read the October statistical report as follows: criminal arrests-1; traffic citations issued-41; appearances in county court-5; appearances in magisterial court-28; motor vehicle accidents-10; assist to ems/fire-8; assist to other police dept.-11; alarms-2; thefts-6; vandalism-3; domestic reports-9; suspicious activity-10; dui arrest-2; assault/harassment-1; drug offense-1; miscellaneous calls-47; building checks-29; code enforcement #’s taken-18; Vehicle Mileage: F150- 49,667; Car #2 Explorer – 20,744; Car # 3 Explorer – 18,600. Magistrate Fines Collected-$1,178.40. Solicitor’s Report: None Engineer’s Report: Bob Naegele reported (1) Playground Equipment through LSA Grant has been processed and delivery is two weeks so it is a matter of seasonally, whether to install it or hold off. Stan noted delivery is set for November 20th with installation a week later. Bob agreed that is what they are shooting for, but they haven’t hit their mark yet. Stan said it is up to council but he is not sure installing it with concrete this late in the year would end up with problems. Mark’s opinion is play it by weather, get it done, less to do in the spring. Stan stated if the weather is good he doesn’t have a problem putting it in. (2) Made good progress on paving through multimodal grant. We got information back into PennDOT. We are hoping for spring opening and construction in the spring. (3) H20 Grant which is the flood channel from behind the borough going back up the hill. Multiscape has completed the punch list, we will do a final walk through and close that out. They fulfilled their obligation and there is money owed to them. We will keep an eye on it. They have a maintenance bond that guarantees the work for two years after their completion. (4) Growing Greener – Stell project – two phases, Everhart/ Holden and Almond Street and stream channel on both Everhart Holden and Almond by Arturo’s. They are done with all the pipe work and inlets. They are done with the stream work on the upper part. They started the stream work on Almond and still have more to do on that section. They have to do the trench restoration which is the pavement where the inlets were done. They have to be done by December 11th because that grant expires and they will not give us an extension. He has informed the contractor of that. If they don’t get stuff done by then, they are in jeopardy of not getting paid. With that said, they did submit a price to mill and overlay those areas of both roads, Almond and Everhart. Basically it came up to $31,500. We submitted this to the grant to see if they would cover it because there was extra money in the grant, but they denied that. It does not fit the model for the grant. In other words, Council can decide to pay for it out of pocket. As part of their contract they have to restore the areas they disturbed with pipe work and inlets. Paving is up to council for discussion. (5) Joint project between Dupont Borough and Pittston Township, the Quail Hill project, is moving along. They have done the base repair, the leveling, they have to finish the top course up there. A couple good days and they should be able to finish that. That should be done this year. It is a good improvement to what was there. Stan noted he was there today and coming up the main entrance was milled. That has to be done. Also they were jackhammering around all the manholes. Bob stated they have to raise those manholes. They have to cut the pavement out, going down, put concrete rings around them, raise them up to finish grade and when they pave they will be back in service elevation. Pina asked why did they blacktop knowing that they were going to do that. Bob responded it was hard to guess at the elevation. They were so much lower than where they wanted to be. They all need to come up two or three inches in spots. Rather than guess at it, they do their intermediate paving course, then go in and raise them for that inch and a half finish pave and flush pave to that. Pina asked what about the utility boxes on Whitman? There are three of them. Bob noted gas and water change weekly on their protocols. Usually the contractor coordinates with the utility companies. Sometimes there is an adjustment in the valve shutoff boxes. The utility contractor will provide them with an extension and they raise them up as they come through. The gas company comes in and says do not change our gas areas. Bob will coordinate that with the contractor. Bob will do one more walk through because they have to do driveway adjustments as they are going through because they have built up the pave. Again, when people built there, the pavement was lower because it wasn’t finished, they paved to what was there. We can’t fault them for that. But, we have to finish the road, So we have to go check all the driveways and tie them back in. Not everywhere. Pina stated tonight it is a little dangerous on the hill. The manhole covers are all raised and they just put cones on them. You have to zig zag and go into the other lane as you go up and down and there are no lights up there. Bob has a call into them today, but did not hear back from the project manager. Bob is expecting them to be there Wed., Thursday and Friday based on the weather. So they should finish up this week. Pina stated they were not there Monday. Bob said we won’t let them pave when it is too cold. That should be closed out soon. Stan brought up Bob’s comment about the Stell project and the price to pave Everhart and Almond in the amount of $31,481.25. What does council want to do? Do you want to pave those streets now or wait until we pave all the streets next year? They are going to patch the trenches as part of this project. Joey asked the price and Stan noted $31,500. Mark asked if they cannot get it done this year, can they lock in that price til the spring? Bob said we can certainly ask that question. We don’t know what the weather is going to be like or when the plants are shutting down. Usually we get through Thanksgiving. Bob noted they have a little bit of work to do before they can do it. Stan mentioned putting everything together with the street paving project next year. Mark said that is a pretty good price. Joey asked do you want to wail til next year; Bob mentioned better pricing next year rather than bringing in milling machine this year; Mark is concerned are we going to have to cut other streets to get those two streets done come spring time if we wait if it ends up costing us more in the spring. Stan stated this will come out of special fund, the other streets come out of the grant. Mark said there is only so much in the grant and if these two streets run us over, we might not have enough to cover all the streets in the grants. With this good price, if we hold off til the spring it might end up costing us more. Then how do we pay for it. Do we start cutting streets and then other people are not going to get streets paved. Almond Street has been begging at least 8 years for drainage. Stan asked if they want to do this now? Mark said if the weather doesn’t hold out and they can loke that price in he would go for it as long as we know we are getting funding from. Bob said specs for pavement dictate the temperatures for paving. If we lock this in and the weather doesn’t cooperate, they are locked in in his opinion. They might fight us on it. Mark added there is print at the bottom about square yard final cost. Mark mentioned if it goes from 31,500 to 33,000 because more square yardage he understands that. But as long as it doesn’t go from 31,000 to 41,000. Bob said he doesn’t believe it will. They did measure those areas and came up with similar numbers to them. Even in other paving projects for other roads we do it in square yards. Them we go out and work with the contractor to compare our numbers to theirs. Sometimes it is over on one street and under on another, but usually works out pretty close. Mark understands and commented he doesn’t want to see the borough put in a corner that we have to cut other areas because we can’t come up with the funding to complete everything we wanted. Everhart Street was disrupted, it wasn’t in real bad shape, but it was disrupted. Almond Street has been waiting a long time. I don’t want to see anything like that held up when we had a good price in place. Mark asked Bob h is opinion on the price. Bob feels it is a good price for what they are proposing. There is no guarantee on the price in the spring. Mark noted that is his concern. Lou Posly asked about price increase. Bob explained asphalt oil index to price pavement. Lou said they claim fuel is going to go up. Bob noted it doesn’t directly follow the barrel price of oil or gasoline price. MOTION TO APPROVE THE $31,483 FOR PAVING EVERHART AND ALMOND IN PROJECT AREAS AS PROPOSED BY STELL. Motion: Mr. Kowalczyk Second: Mr. Price Roll Call Vote: Mr. Knick, yes; Mr. Kowalczyk, yes; Mr. Karkut, yes; Mr. Price, yes; Mr. Jones, yes. Motion Carried 5/0. Code Enforcement Report: Mr. Jones reported 17 Notice of Violations issued, 4 rental inspections completed, 3 quaility of life tickets issued, and 10 cases closed due to compliance. Last week our firefighter and paid apparatus drivers started. They were driving around getting familiar with the town. You may have seen them. Next week when it is our turn and weeks in December, I will familiarize them with the International Property Maintenance Code booklet so hopefully they can assist with this in 2024 and rental inspections. Crime Watch Report: Bob reported In October we had the Trunk or Treat at Sacred Heart. Despite the weather, we had over 110 kids comes through. It was damp and rainy. Thank you to Stash for the pumpkin giveaway. Next event is the Christmas Party which is December 16th. Stan asked Bob if he would like oranges and apples for the candy bags for the Christmas party. Bob stated absolutely. Council President’s Report: Stan reported the following: Trash – 58.11 tons; Comingle - 5.01 tons; 8.74 tons paper. Mileage: New packer – 2,304; 550 – 48,617; 3500 – 7,669; Green pickup -7,189. Stan continued with the meeting last week with Turnpike officials. Yesterday there was a public meeting at the school with the Turnpike and the borough has put in their concerns of what we like and don’t like. Representative Haddock knows that we are not happy as he was here at the public officials meeting. There were people here from Senator Flynn’s office and Stan explained to them how we felt about this project. We will keep up on it. Stan also advised residents that he has the project managers business card and although Council voiced their concerns, it would help for the residents to express their concerns. He suggested residents contact the representative and senator to express their concerns. Bob Price also has a bunch of business cards and cards to scan for information on the project that he will leave at the front desk. Christine Ritzie asked when the Turnpike meeting was announced. Joey noted it was in the paper and Mr. Knick stated it was announced. The meeting at the Borough was for public officials. The one at the school last night was advertised well. There were newspaper and news stations there. Christine asked if it was on the website. Joey noted it was a Turnpike meeting. This is there project. Lastly, Stan advised Erik that the work in the Simpson Street alley has been completed. MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORTS. Motion: Mr. Karkut Second: Mr. Jones Roll Call Vote: Mr. Knick, yes; Mr. Kowalczyk, yes; Mr. Karkut, yes; Mr. Price, yes; Mr. Jones, yes. Motion Carried 5/0. MOTION FOR SECOND READING OF THE PROPOSED 2024 BUDGET. Motion: Mr. Jones Second: Mr. Price Roll Call Vote: Mr. Knick, yes; Mr. Kowalczyk, yes; Mr. Karkut, yes; Mr. Price, yes; Mr. Jones, yes. Motion Carried 5/0. Ellen read the Proposed Budget: General Fund - $880,200 Refuse Fund - $167,650 Liquid Fuels Fund - $97,000 Sewer Maintenance Fund - $ 71,730 ARPA Fund - $50,000 2024 Special Fund - $ 127,000 Total for all operating budgets - $ 1,393,580 Final reading and adoption is scheduled for December 12th. There is a ten day public inspection from November 15th to November 28th. MOTION TO ACCEPT THE SECOND READING OF THE PROPOSED 2024 BUDGET Motion: Mr. Karkut Second: Mr. Jones Roll Call Vote: Mr. Knick, yes; Mr. Kowalczyk, yes; Mr. Karkut, yes; Mr. Price, yes; Mr. Jones, yes. Motion Carried 5/0. MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 10 OF 2023 APPROVING SUBMITTAL OF APPLICATION FOR MULTIMDAL GRANT FUNDING FOR MAIN STREET SIDEWALKS $710,863.00 Motion: Mr. Jones Second: Mr. Price Roll Call Vote: Mr. Knick, yes; Mr. Kowalczyk, yes; Mr. Karkut, yes; Mr. Price, yes; Mr. Jones, yes. Motion Carried 5/0. MOTION TO APPROVE STREET LIGHT 300 BLOCK MCLEAN AND 100 BLOCK OF HOLDEN Motion: Mr. Kowalczyk Second: Mr. Jones Roll Call Vote: Mr. Knick, yes; Mr. Kowalczyk, yes; Mr. Karkut, yes; Mr. Price, yes; Mr. Jones, yes. Motion Carried 5/0. Matters from Residents: Partial summary of comments: Joe Cigan, Gill Street – (1) What aspects of Scranton Beltway Project does council not agree with? Stan spoke for himself and responded no sound barriers, people losing their homes, losing a business. He does not see the plus in this project. They are putting in the beltway and people have to pay a toll, he does not see it happening. It goes from Dupont to Clarks Summit, if there is an accident there, you will get stuck on 380 or 84, it doesn’t help to get on them. He just does not like the project all together. He listened to residents and told Turnpike officials how they felt. Mr. Cigan commented the meeting last night was something else. He didn’t know if those guys were smiling or smirking. They never stopped. The engineer said Dupont doesn’t meet the criteria for sound barriers. He pulled up the map of Clarks Summit. They are getting sound barriers. Stan mentioned another thing he doesn’t like about the project is water runoff. They are putting in retention ponds. They will go into the creek. We have had problems before. Mr. Cigan talked about the timeline. Public meeting in early 2024. Planning is 30% complete and will be completed end of 2024. Plan is to build these structures to the tune of $243 million for a few cars… The construction is from 2029 to 2031. So if there is ever a time to raise voices, now is the time in the next six months to a year. Stan agreed we have to do it as a group, as a town. He talked about comments made at the public officials meeting. Joe Cigan brought up other areas where there are sound barriers where no one lives. Stan talked about the number of houses, whether it is one or five, if it is a necessity, but he cannot see that many people using the bypass. Joe added the retention ponds next to houses. They offered no environmental studies. (2) Grants - In no way does he want to sound negative about the town and grants. He thinks the town is doing a good job with grants. He discussed a flyer he received and there area some things he doesn’t understand. For example, state grants 7.9 million. Avoca population 2518 , Dupont, 2536. On the flyer Avoca got 842,913, Dupont 290,825 in grants. Why? $221,000 to renovate Avoca Borough and VFW Building. Laflin 1395 people, $382,678. He continued about the West Side Club got 200,000 roof and parking lot. The second block of Gill Street is horrible. Stan talked about the grant for paving streets. Bob Naegele noted the money is available. Bob explained we have to do environmental studies, talked about historical aspects. Stan added we have to do ada ramps. Money has to go toward the ramps. Stan brought up the grant for the Hose Company and an architect is needed in order to get the project bid out. The architect costs were not in the grant application. Joe talked about the Pa. Association of Boroughs and on their website a whole list of grants. Things like barriers. Tree lines that protect waterways. Green space, Dupont does not have a lot of land. Stan commented we applied for grants for behind the high rise, we applied for grants for the 33 acres in the industrial park. We were denied. Joe read an article November 4th in the paper, Pittston Township for $50,000, Throop gets 102,000, Taylor, 100,000. Taylor has the landfill that pays their local taxes and so on. Thropp has Keystone Landfill. Wea re not in that position. Joe Cigan continued reading the articles. He suggested residents get involved, pick up the phone and make calls to the representatives. (3) 124 Main Street – wait 8 months for the state to make a decision. The man that owns that property has two decisions, either clean up the property and put in a proper car lot or get out of it. Stan noted they have been towing a bunch of vehicles out of there lately. Mr. Cigan referred to the car lot on the bypass and the man lined up all the cars properly. The car lot on Chestnut coming down from Walmart he observed the same lady cutting weeds that was cutting weeds at 124 Main. Those cars are lined up. To have a car lot you have to have a room with no window to store titles in. A safe place with electricity. If he decides no more car lot, consider a grant to put trees or shrubs to beautify the area. Stan said one step at a time. We are moving in the right direction. Stan and Pina talked about the county meeting for the other car lot. Stan thanked Joe for his help with the 124 compliance issue. Pina commented on the conditions of the vehicles at the lot. (4) The creek project on Holden and Walnut being worked on now. The creek also extends between walnut and spruce. When LLVSA put sewer lines in the grimes industrial park down that creek bed for $1 they were required to put that creek bed back to the original contour. They never did that. The water comes down and just meanders around. It is cutting into the bank behind my house and John’s house. It is eroding the bank, the trees are falling over. Maybe Council can consider a project there. Stan stated there are a couple parts of the creek we are looking at to repair. There are some that we can get our own contractor to do and others that we can go for grants. Little by little we have been working on these creek projects. Hopefully everything is going to be done. Christine Ritzie – (1) Paving streets, do you get more than one bid or just go with one contractor. Stan explained we advertise and most of the time we need at least three bids. Sometimes we get more than three bids. That is the process, you cannot just give it to one contractor. (2) Sound Barriers – About 35 years ago residents on Ash Street were promised sound barriers, they were given to Avoca. (3) Status of 604 Spruce Street - Officer Tamburello responded he is in the process of addressing the issues. He cannot discuss because of confidentially issues. Lou Posly - He was at the meeting at the school last evening and spoke with project engineer Mr. Noss. He had quite a conversation with him. He had conversations with all the people there and they all agreed that sound barriers are needed. They didn’t disagree at all. They were very adamant that sound barriers were needed. Stan stated then Mr. Posly you were told different from what we were told. Mr. Knick is very happy if that is the case. Mr. Posly stated that would take a decision from Secretary of Transportation Michael Carroll. He told me on a number of occasions when he was a representative that sound barriers are needed and he is working on it. The project with the Turnpike, they need to look at it. They are going from Dunmore to Airport and stopping. Why not make it 8 lanes with sound barriers on both sides. That is what has to be asked. Why stop at Dupont and not go past Dupont to where the Oblates are and down that way. Lou admitted he forgot to ask them that last night after being asked by Joey if he asked Mr. Noss that. Lou apologized he did not ask that. Lou asked what is the difference to go from Clarks Summit down to here and there is a toll on it. Stan said yes there is a toll road. Lou said who the hell wants to use it if there is a toll. Everyone said exactly that is what we are saying. Mark made note that Mr. Knick and Mr. Posly agreed. Everyone laughed. Lou said he has been talking about sound barriers for months, even years. He is happy everyone now wants them. But what has to be looked into is why don’t they have eight lanes coming from the airport to Dupont east side, what is the answer to that. He said there is going to be berms on the 81 going south from cemetary on up. That is not helping anybody. Dupont is down like an Amphitheatre. If you look at the Romans and Greeks where down in the valley where the people are going to listen to everything that is where the sound comes into. That is why we have a problem because it is like an amphitheater the way the town is situated. The noise is horrific, especially the jake brakes. I live one house away from 81. Mark said he can hear them on Simpson Street which is this side of town. Lou then talked about breaking down with his truck on 81 and he could not believe how dangerous it is to break down on 81. Nobody stops. They come right up to you with the engines. The noise is horrific. He was there three hours. Lou said they told him the reason they are doing this is because they are anticipating more traffic. Joe Cigan – 70,000 vehicles a day coming through Dupont on 81. There are only two routes going north 81 and 95. Most of the traffic comes up 81 Hazleton, Dunmore, New England, Canada. The idea they say it is going to be high you wont hear it. Pina Hansen - Asked Erik if he is going to call Luzerne County about that blasting since that gentleman will not call me back. Erik said he will call Pina and Pina said she will give the name and number that he left her. Now there are crickets. Matters from Council and Mayor: Joe Jones - He is very close to the Turnpike project and he will have one of the ponds next to him. Maybe we can put fish in it and everyone can come fishing. He is not happy about it. Mark Kowalczyk - Mr. Cigan you brought up about grants. Back before COVID, Patty put in for a new garbage packer, we needed this and that. There were never any grants awarded because of the covid shutdown. The following year she put in for the same thing. We were awarded two of everything. That is the way the state works with the grants. We don’t need two new garbage packers. So we had to adjust things and we were able to purchase equipment that we never used yet. It is brand new til this day. What you are saying about bar parking lots and bar roofs, the first time I talked to our state senator in person was at a political rally, of course he is running for office. I asked him aren’t we short on money with covid, how are you approving all these grants. He said there is more money in the fund than we ever had. There is not a grant that came across my desk that I didn’t approve. He told me that in person. So what does that tell you, they are buying votes by handing out money. But not where it counts. I have four words, Jim Haddock, Marty Flynn, Governor Shapiro, and Secretary of Transportation Mike Carroll. When Mike Carroll was our representative, and he was a close ally of us, and the President of Council will verify this, when the businesses on Commerce Road were threatening to move out because the road was in such despair, it was split between Dupont and Pittston Township. My father was on Council and Murph Adams was a Supervisor. There was a meeting up there and the only way the state was going to approve for that road to be paved so the businesses didn’t move out, was if one of the towns took over the entire road. Dupont bit the bullet and said we would do it. Navy Way Road would never be there if it wasn’t for Dupont because they needed one town to maintain that road. The state would put it in but they were not going to maintain it. I was at that grand opening and it was the Secretary of Transportation under Governor Wolfe. I forget her name. When she heard the small town of Dupont was taking over that road she was impressed. She personally thanked this town. Now we are getting the shaft with the sound barriers. So if we don’t get the sound barriers, you don’t vote for Jim Haddock, you don’t vote for Marty Flynn, and you don’t vote for Governor Shapiro. That is my opinion. We keep biting the bullet and take on more and then we get the shaft in the end. So if these people don’t stand together and get those sound barriers included in that project, that is his opinion. If people vote for them, I don’t know even what to say. That is my opinion. But if they are in they did their job. Lou said the old saying about Dupont is don’t worry about Dupont, the geese fly backwards. Mark said even though the geese fly backwards we are still the leaders. Joe Cigan asked if Dupont maintains Navy Way. Council responded yes. Mr. Knick stated from roundabouts to Suscon and Commerce Road. Mark said and it is priority. We always tell Eddie to get up there with the Mack so no trucks are getting stuck. I am at the point if we keep getting the shaft like this, I will tell them take care of the residents first, the heck with the tractor trailers. Take care of our taxpayers first, that is the attitude I am starting to have anymore. Because we keep getting the shaft. Joe Cigan noted he did not know that. Mark added it would not be in if it wasn’t for this town to take over the maintenance of it. What would they have done when that bridge was closed. How would all that traffic get into the industrial park. Through Armstrong Road , instead of splitting it in two. Joe asked Dupont got nothing for that. Mark and Stan said we got equipment to maintain the roads. That is how we got the Mack Dump truck. That is the point Mark is at right now, he is completely disgusted with all our representation in Harrisburg, completely disqusted. Mr. Karkut - I was at all these meetings and all they do is spin you around. The criteria doesn’t meet the model is what they said. Happy Thanksgiving. Bob Price - Everyone on council is against the turnpike project. He spoke with representatives from the Turnppike and the State he could yesterday. They all said it is going to be great. When I asked the question what is the benefit to Dupont no one could give me an answer. Stan said there is no benefit, we are losing a business and residents. People are losing jobs. There is no benefit. Joe Karkut added depreciation of the properties with the ponds and the bridge up. Mayor Lello – Hopes we can all work together and get this all straightened out. We have to make noise. Joe Cigan agreed you have a better chance to succeed by working together. Mayor said 6.6 is the decimal level. We will go up there and get the pots and pans out. Everything is done by computer not people. Not sure we can stop the project, but hopefully we can get the sound barriers. Happy Thanksgiving. Stan Knick - Happy Thanksgiving. He knows everyone on Council feels the same way. He has cards, work together, make phone calls, tell your friends and family. If they keep hearing the same thing over again we might get some place. Mayor Lello asked when you say make phone calls, and Mark noted he will call ten times a day, call Haddock’s office, call Flynn’s office. Tell them we are not happy. Email them. If they get flooded with all this, maybe they will start listening. Joe Karkut said you probably won’t get through to these project managers. With no further business, the meeting adjourned by unanimous vote. Respectfully submitted, Adopted this day of Patricia McDonald, Secretary Stanley Knick, President .