Plan Commission
Regular MeetingEast Troy, WI · March 8, 2021
Minutes
Minutes
Village of East Troy Plan Commission
2015 Energy Drive
March 8, 2021
6:30 p.m.
1. Call to order- President Seager called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m.
2. Pledge of Allegiance
3. Verification of open meeting notice – Clerk Alexander verified the meeting had been posted
according to open meetings laws.
4. Roll call
Present: President Seager, Trustee Renucci, Commissioners Edward Arendt, Chris Bottoni, Roger
Hayes, Benny Stichmann and Joe Wisniewski
Others: Zoning Administrator Schwecke, Administrator Suhm, Clerk Alexander, Building Inspector
Scott Johnson, Attorney Chris Geary
(Attended via Zoom: Commissioner Arendt, Attorney Geary)
5. Citizen participation
No citizen participation.
6. Approve Plan Commission minutes of January 11, 2021
Motion by Commissioner Stichmann, second by Commissioner Hayes, to approve the 1/11/2021
minutes. Motion carried.
7. Conditional use for golf simulator classified as indoor recreation along with a tavern for sale of
canned and bottled beverages for property located at 2541 Main Street, Unit B and C
(RA139600001); Brian Pluess and Jinnesa Pluess, operator; Douglas Persich, property owner,
applicant (application 2021-02)
A. Public hearing
President Seager opened the Public Hearing. Ms. Pluess presented the plan to open a golf
simulator experience and to offer small items of food/beverage for customers, not a
commercial kitchen, with the intent to offer the option of serving customers beer/wine.
Several residents spoke in favor of the plan and felt it would be popular. Zoning Administrator
Schwecke reviewed his staff report for this commercial entertainment business and verified
that it complied with the standards, that the property is owned by Citizens Bank and that the
conditional use would be for a golf simulator with the tavern as an accessory use which would
prevent the sale of alcohol as the primary use. Discussion included the selling of alcohol near
the daycare, and it was explained that while the sale of alcohol is prohibited near schools and
churches the state statute definition of a school does not include daycare facilities. President
Seager closed the public hearing.
B. Potential recommendation by Plan Commission to Village Board
Motion by Commissioner Stichmann, second by Commissioner Wisniewski, to recommend the
Village Board approve the conditional use subject to the terms in the draft conditional use order
dated March 3, 2021. Motion carried.
8. Raze an existing building in the Downtown Design Overlay District located at 2088 Church Street
(ROP 00111); Kinove LLC, applicant (application 2020-26)
A. Public hearing (Note: The public hearing was convened January 11, 2021 and adjourned to this
date.)
President Seager announced that the public hearing is still open from the January 11, 2021
meeting.
John Vilanj, East Troy Area Historical Society, provided an update on progress searching for funding
to restore the Cobblestone building at 2088 Church Street. He detailed contacts with various
individuals interested in preserving historical sites, Walworth County Historical Society, the
property owner, investigating various grant opportunities, submitting applications for grant
funds, contacting potential donors, discussion with a local bank on an account for restoration
donations, contact with an organization to placing the building on a national database of
cobblestone buildings and has reached out to the This Old House organization who are
reviewing the project. He has received support from Walworth County Historical Society and on
social media for the restoration project. Needs to consult with a historical attorney regarding
separation of ETAHS and donations for this project and is looking for specialized contractors for
the project. His plan would be to create a non-profit hotel and feels that the project is
attainable it just needs the funds and time to do so. He confirmed that the estimated funds
required to restore the building are about 3 million dollars.
Adam Aisen, CEO of Extended Care Professionals (EPC), 2096 Church Street, which shares a wall
with the Cobblestone, along with their Chief of Staff, lawyer, structural engineer, and Head of
Finance. He thanked the property owners for meeting with them. They posed 4 items of
concern: the potential for unsafe conditions, how the proposed demolition would affect their
building and who would bear the responsibility for damages and potential disruption to their
business. He urged the Commission to consider these questions when making their decisions.
Alfred Sanchez, Structural Engineer from TD &H Engineering, representing EPC, discussed the
building code and concerns with the project impacting the lateral stability of their building.
Attorney Patrick DeMoon, Sweet & Mayer, on behalf of Kinove, LLC, agreed that the building is
historic but unsafe now and will be more unsafe in the future. He stated that this is not a
situation that can wait and if it is going to be razed it should happen now before the road work
this spring. He stated that the building has been in rough shape for some time, and no one has
come forward prior to do this. The cost of repairs far exceeds the building’s value. He is unsure
anyone would come forward and this still presents a problem for the roadwork project. He
stated that there is a small amount of asbestoses that will be professionally remediated prior to
the demolition, the property owners will hire a professional demolition company and allow a
structural engineer with representatives of the Village into the building prior to the raze to
determine what needs to be done to do this safely. He stated that the building is not actually
connected to the building at 2094/2096 Church Street but joined by a passthrough building and
this would reduce the impact to the neighboring property. Insurance for the project will be ,
naming the Village as an additional insured and any damage that is done by this work the client
will take responsibility for. He urged the Plan Commission to approve the raze request at this
time as it is the right of his client for his property with reasonable conditions.
Ted Zess, Business Owner, encourage the Commission to not approve the request at this time
because there are options out there to restore the building. He feels it is wrong to raze the
building due to the nature and history of the building and to avoid an empty lot on the Square.
He feels there should be a development plan in place to preserve the history of the area before
the building is allowed to be razed.
Betty Parman, Business Owner, urged the Commission to take time to consider their decision and
not approve the request because the building is a part of the community, it would be a loss for
the whole corner of the Square and whatever new is planned there would not hold the
nostalgia. She feels that although the cost of restoration is high people will contribute. Asked
that time be allowed to consider options and funding for restoration.
John Vilanj, ETAHS, discussed the condition of the exterior of the building, feels the exterior is in
good shape other that the front, discussed other buildings on the Square that have been
restored, expressed disappointment that the property owners lawyer urged for the raze request
approval and offered to accept the process for the ETAHS. He believes they can come up with
funding and asked for 6 months to lock in financing and look for others interested in ownership.
Ann Zess, Business Owner, thanked Mr. Vilanj for his efforts and urged allowing him time to pursue
his leads.
John Jacoby, W2464 Leasure Way, discussed that this is a complicated issue that deserves a lot of
diplomacy going forward. He sees the unique issue of the Villages responsibility to keep the
public safe and keep the neighboring building safe, but the property owners point that if they
are denied removing the building, they should not be responsible or liable for any damages that
occur.
Rick Strieter, Kinove, LLC, stated that the property owners support restoration and if funds can be
put together through the ETAHS they would be thrilled. The property owners have held many
meetings on this issue including with EPC, their attorney and with the ETAHS searching for ways
to raise funds. He stated that by approving the raze request the razing of the building would not
necessarily happen; they have had inspections for asbestoses that would be professionally
removed safely; the structure is independent from the neighboring building but there is a
breezeway-type structure between the two buildings. This breezeway shares the outside
surfaces of the two buildings and would need to be removed carefully and then the rest of the
demolition would be done professionally. He also discussed other demolitions that have been
done before without major structural damages. He believes that the efforts by the ETAHS are
great but if the building is falling apart it needs to be taken down and would like the raze
request approved in case it needs to be done. He stated that citations had been issued to the
property owners and requested relief from any citations or fines that would be assessed to the
property owners.
Attorney DeMoon, Kinove LLC, stated that if there is any delay tonight in approving the request no
costs associated with that should be forwarded to his client, specifically for making the building
safe for the roadway project and workers as well as making the sidewalk safe, including shoring
up the building. He stated that any delay tonight is not at his client’s request because they are
ready to move forward.
John Vilanj, ETAHS, stated that he understands investment that has already been placed in this
property. He feels that the timber frame can be reinforced from the inside out and the
neighboring buildings are not connected and can be separated. He asked for time to find donors
and stated that he is willing to take on this project for the ETAHS. Discussed possible uses for
the building if it is restored.
President Seager clarified the statement from Mr. Strieter and stated that there were never any
citations or fines issued to Kinove, LLC regarding this property. There was a property
maintenance request, in the form of a letter from Code Enforcement requesting property
maintenance and the letter also stated that the recipient should contact Code Enforcement for
any questions, time extensions or help in meeting the stated timeframe.
Commissioner Bottoni asked how long the property has been owned by the current owners (about
7 years) and what has been the delay in developing the property that has brought us to this
point.
President Seager explained that there have been discussions with the property owners, and they
were looking for grants and historical funding to preserve the building and that is a long process.
The family has invested in the Village over the years in other projects in the community and this
was the next phase. They have invested quite a bit in that process. The Village has waited to see
what they planned to do. Discussed the roof issues from 2017 and the damage to the façade
from the weather after that point.
Rick Strieter, Kinove, LLC, they have gutted the inside and removed the drywall and lath which
revealed the extent of the issues. They have had architects review the interior and an engineer
review the building several years ago. The inside structure is gone and is unsafe inside. The
owners have invested to try to find ways to save the building and worked with State Historical
Society on what can and cannot be done to maintain historical value but the cost to bring back
the building and to determine the feasibility of this as a justified business. This entire inside
would need to be gutted and rebuilt from the inside out.
John Jacoby stated that development was not considered until after the Village’s water main
project on the Square due to concerns related to confirmation that the water pressure would be
able to fight fires if they occurred on the Square.
Commissioner Hayes stated that the idea of a 6-month waiting period but asked what the
ramifications would be if the building were to collapse during that time and what impact a
collapse would have on the EPC building.
Zoning Administrator Schwecke clarified that the Commission is not debating if a raze order should
be issued but is considering the raze request because the property is in Downtown Design
District and there are a number of concerns and conditions. If it is approved the owner will work
with the Building Inspector when they make the decision to take it down and other conditions
that are in place would be required to be met. The timing of any work would need to include the
road project. Should the building be removed soon that may not be a factor but if it is delayed
then the safety for the public and the construction workers during the construction must be
addressed by the owner. The timing of the action is up to the owner and the Plan Commission
needs to decide whether or not to approve the request.
Rick Strieter, Kinove, LLC, stated that the owners would like the permit approved because they
don’t want the liability if delayed. They feel that if there is going to be a delay the liability needs
to be picked up by the Village. He stated that the cost to make the building safe exceeds 85% of
the value. He stated that if the Village will not hold them liable the owners may agree to a delay.
He stated that he does not have a concern that the building will fall down as the outside shell of
the building holds the roof trusses, but the inside is the problem because the beams supporting
the inside structure are compromised. Structurally inside it is not safe but at the time of the
engineering report the building outside shell was not failing.
Attorney DeMoon, Kinove, LLC, stated that the owners are concerned with the liability that was
discussed in a meeting with the Village that requested the outside of the building be made safe
for the construction workers. If this approval is delayed again, through no request of the owners
as they have been willing to do this months ago, the property owners do not feel that they
should bear this liability. Should the ETAHS or the Village come forward to accept that liability
that would be fine, but this should not be the owner’s responsibility.
President Seager explained that during a meeting with the property owners the Village offered to
pay for a structural engineering study of the building to be sure it would not collapse during the
roadwork if the building were still standing. The request of the owner was to make the exterior
safe by means such as chicken wire wrapped around the outside.
Trustee Renucci expressed concerns with liability being the responsibility of the Village taxpayers.
He discussed the equipment and roadwork of the Walworth County road project and did not
feel the Village is responsible for a private property.
Village Attorney Geary explained that while this is a request from the property owner the Village
has the right to impose conditions on the request.
Zoning Administrator Schwecke suggested an additional condition could be to request they provide
notice to the Village and adjoining property owners prior to beginning demolition within a
specified timeframe such as 48-hours. Additional details will be included in the actual
demolition permit from the Building Inspector. Concerns included time for road closures and
neighboring businesses to prepare.
Betty Parman, Business Owner, discussed the anticipated disruption of the road project and her
concerns with street closures and detours. She feels this should have been better planned. She
feels the Cobblestone building restoration needs more study and would like 9 months to work
securing funds.
Sonja Karlson, EPC, requested as much notice as possible prior to demolition work beginning to
prepare their building for the effects of the demolition.
Alfred Sanchez, EPC Structural Engineer, requested a letter stating that there would be no impact
on the lateral stability prior to proceeding for the safety their building. He stated that no one
knows what reducing one building would do to the other and feels that a study or
recommendation from someone in the field would be prudent.
Zoning Administrator Schwecke and Village Attorney Geary reminded the Commission that the
issue before them is not if the work will affect other buildings as that is a civil matter and not
the Villages.
Trustee Renucci asked if the Village delays the approval of the request would the Village be
responsible for any liability from the deteriorating condition of the building.
Village Attorney Geary stated that if the owner requests to take down the building and the Village
denies that and then there are future issues the Village will be dragged into it. There is a risk to
the Village not necessarily from the building collapsing but also material falling off the building if
the Plan Commission should delay the request.
President Seager closed the public hearing.
B. Potential recommendation by Plan Commission to Village Board
Motion by Commissioner Arendt, second by Commissioner Hayes, to Ed motion to recommend
Village Board deny the property owner’s request to raze the existing building.
Roll Call Vote:
President Seager No
Trustee Renucci No
Commissioner Wisniewski No
Commissioner Stichmann Abstain
Commissioner Hayes Yes
Commissioner Bottoni No
Commissioner Arendt Yes
Motion failed.
Motion by Trustee Renucci, second by Commissioner Bottoni, to recommend Village Board
approve the property owner’s request to raze the existing building, subject to the following
terms and conditions:
1. Prior to demolition, the petitioner must obtain all necessary approvals including a demolition
permit from the Village’s building inspector.
2. Within 45 days of commencement of the work, the site must be restored to an acceptable
condition as determined by the Village’s building inspector.
3. The property owner must provide proof of insurance in a form and amount acceptable to the
Village Attorney; such policy must name the Village of East Troy as an additional insured.
4. The property owner must provide 48-hour notice to the Village and surrounding neighbors prior
to the start of demolition.
Roll Call Vote:
President Seager Yes
Trustee Renucci Yes
Commissioner Wisniewski No
Commissioner Stichmann Abstain
Commissioner Hayes No
Commissioner Bottoni Yes
Commissioner Arendt No
Motion failed.
Motion by President Seager, second by Commissioner Arendt, to recommend Village Board
approve the property owner’s request to raze the existing building, subject to the following
terms and conditions:
1. Prior to demolition, the petitioner must obtain all necessary approvals including a demolition
permit from the Village’s building inspector.
2. Within 45 days of commencement of the work, the site must be restored to an acceptable
condition as determined by the Village’s building inspector.
3. The property owner must provide proof of insurance in a form and amount acceptable to the
Village Attorney; such policy must name the Village of East Troy as an additional insured.
4. The property owner must provide 48-hour notice to the Village and surrounding neighboring
business owners prior to the start of demolition.
5. The property owner must show due diligence of healthy conversations with the East Troy Area
Historical Society about the process of applying for grants or capturing funds to salvage the
building.
Motion carried with Commission Stichmann abstaining.
9. Potential cottage housing ordinance
A. Public hearing
President Seager opened the public hearing.
Administrator Suhm read a written comment from Erin Seaverson, 2040 Emery Street outlining
concerns with the pedestrian connections, parking requirements and street facing visuals of
developments.
John Jacoby and Mike Zei spoke in favor of the ordinance.
Discussion included garage placements; public facing visuals; use in in-fill properties; options
for parking requirements; concern with the “no-step entry” vs. above grade entry and that
these developments would be PUD’s (Planned Unit Development) allowing the Plan
Commission to work with any developer on the details for the specific plan and property during
the development review process.
President Seager closed the public hearing.
B. Potential recommendation by Plan Commission to Village Board
Motion by Commissioner Stichmann, second by Trustee Renucci, to recommend Village Board
approve the proposed ordinance, based on the findings contained in the proposed ordinance.
Motion carried.
10. Draft resolution relating to the Village’s extraterritorial review area
A. Review and discussion
Zoning Administrator Schwecke reviewed his staff report and explained that the map showed
those areas that had been identified by staff for consideration. He explained that this action
would not reduce the Village’s authority but would reduce paperwork. The Village has the
authority to review all land divisions within 1.5 miles of the Village limits but, with this action,
elects to not exercise that authority within these identified areas. The Village would retain the
right to change this plan at any time in the future to include more or less area. Should a land
division be proposed within the identified area the parties would not be required to bring that
plan to the Village for approvals. The areas defined were identified as areas that staff found to
be outside potential growth zones or without impact to the Village. All other areas would
continue to be subject to ETZ review.
B. Potential action by Plan Commission
Motion by Commissioner Stichmann, second by Commissioner Arendt, to direct staff to schedule a
public hearing for the land division code amendment. Motion carried.
11. Discussion related to potential revisions to the Village’s comprehensive plan
A. Review and discussion
Discussion included needing to define “in or around the Downtown Core”; considering the area
designated as the Downtown Transition in the Future Land Use Map; defining “multi-family”
and what types of housing is included/excluded and incorporating this definition into the
policy; considering the why the policy was created and considering additional properties that
may be affected; possibly considering different procedures for in-fill properties for
development and identify that on the Future Land Use Map; creating a specific procedure for
those in-fill properties to allow a developer to come to the Plan Commission with a plan for a
Planned Unit Development; the policy ratio may not apply to in-fill development and what
types of properties this may benefit.
B. Potential action by Plan Commission
Direction was to bring this topic back at a future meeting for further discussion.
12. Update on tree protection ordinance (no packet materials)
This was adopted by the Village Board.
13. Pending matters for next meeting
• Potential revisions to the Village’s zoning code with regard to building demolitions in the
Downtown District
Zoning Administrator Schwecke explained this was originally discussed at the December 2020
meeting and the Commission felt that this process may need to be reviewed beyond the
current application, as has been done with the property at 2088 Church Street, to provide
additional guidance to applicants, consider requiring a development plan or green scape plan
if there are no immediate development plans or other options that may be based on end goal
of the vision for the Downtown District. This will be brought back at a future meeting for
discussion.
14. Recommendations for future agendas (no packet materials)
15. Next meeting: April 12, 2021 (if needed)
16. Adjourn
Motion by President Seager, second by Trustee Renucci, to adjourn. Motion carried at 9:00 pm.
Respectfully submitted by
Lorri Alexander
Clerk
Agenda
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Village of East Troy Plan Commission
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March 8, 2021
6:30 p.m.
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1. Call to order
2. Pledge of Allegiance
3. Verification of open meeting notice
4. Roll call
5. Citizen participation
6. Approve Plan Commission minutes of January 11, 2021
7. Conditional use for golf simulator classified as indoor recreation along with a tavern for sale of canned and bottled
beverages for property located at 2541 Main Street, Unit B and C (RA139600001); Brian Pluess and Jinnesa Pluess,
operator; Douglas Persich, property owner, applicant (application 2021-02)
A. Public hearing
B. Potential recommendation by Plan Commission to Village Board
Details are available online: https://s.zoninghub.com/7VFDTWW33P
8. Raze an existing building in the Downtown Design Overlay District located at 2088 Church Street (ROP 00111); Kinove
LLC, applicant (application 2020-26)
A. Public hearing
B. Potential recommendation by Plan Commission to Village Board
Details are available online: https://s.zoninghub.com/HKR4DUQZZD
Note: The public hearing was convened January 11, 2021 and adjourned to this date.
9. Potential cottage housing ordinance
A. Public hearing
B. Potential recommendation by Plan Commission to Village Board
Details are available online: https://s.zoninghub.com/P6DJKXEA17
10. Draft resolution relating to the Village’s extraterritorial review area
A. Review and discussion
B. Potential action by Plan Commission
11. Discussion related to potential revisions to the Village’s comprehensive plan
Village of East Troy Plan Commission Agenda - continued
March 8, 2021
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A. Review and discussion
B. Potential action by Plan Commission
12. Update on tree protection ordinance (no packet materials)
13. Pending matters for next meeting
• Potential revisions to the Village’s zoning code with regard to building demolitions in the Downtown District
14. Recommendations for future agendas (no packet materials)
15. Next meeting: April 12, 2021 (if needed)
16. Adjourn
Posted: March 5, 2021
Please Note:
• The order of items on this agenda is for convenience of reference. These items may be taken out of order upon request of
the Village President or Plan Commission members.
• It is possible that members of, and possibly a quorum of, the Village Board may be in attendance at the above stated
meeting. No action will be taken by any governmental body at the above stated meeting other than the governmental
body specifically referred to above in this notice.
• Upon reasonable notice, efforts will be made to accommodate the needs of individuals with disabilities through
appropriate aids and services. For additional information or to request this service, contact the Clerk’s Office, 2015 Energy
Drive (262) 642-6255.
• Development projects are reviewed consistent with the Village’s land development regulations. These are available online.
o Zoning: https://www.ecode360.com/27768057 and also https://villageofeasttroy.zoninghub.com/home
o Subdivision of land: https://www.ecode360.com/27767242
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