City Council - Rules & Government Relations Committee
Regular MeetingEasthampton, MA · October 26, 2020
Minutes
CITY OF EASTHAMPTON
OFFICE OF THE CITY COUNCIL
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Easthampton, Massachusetts 01027-2260
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MINUTES
RULES and GOVERNMENT RELATIONS Meeting 10/26/2020
Attendees:
R&GR Committee Members:
Councilor Thomas Peake, Chair
Councilor Peg Conniff, Clerk
Councilor Dan Rist
Other Attendees:
Dan Gilbert - RCV Committee
Homar Gomez - City Council
James Kwiecinski - City Council
Paul St. Pierre - Resident and Candidate for City Council Vacancy
Meeting called to order at 5:00 pm. The meeting was recorded.
1. NEW BUSINESS
• Consideration of amendment to Council Rule 8B (tie votes)
• Councilor Peake reviewed the need for this change to the City Council Rule.
When there are only 8 votes, there is a real statistical probability of a tie.
• 3 Scenarios
• 4 people vote for 1 candidate, 4 people vote for another candidate. Round 1
= Tie
• 3 candidates each get 1 vote - How do we determine which candidate is
eliminated.
• In later rounds, (not the first round) 2 candidates resolve down to 4 votes
each.
• Dan Rist requested a review and clarification of the math on each round.
• Councilor Peake reviewed the existing rule and the suggested amendments (at-
tached to these minutes)
• If there is a 2-2-2-2 tie in round 1, and there is a candidate who is the second
choice of no one, that person is eliminated.
• After Round 1, look at how a person did in a previous round. (Round 1 (4-3-
1) The person with 1 vote is eliminated, there vote transfers, we end up
with a 4-4 tie in Round 2. The thought was that the winner would be who-
ever got the most first place votes.
• Councilor Kwiecinski suggests that if you vote your first choice and that
person is eliminated….essentially a throw away vote. He suggested that in
the case of a tie, re-vote for those 2 candidates - one time. If the vote does
not break the tie, the suggestion is to flip a coin to determine a winner.
• Dan Gilbert weighed in and suggested that a system that moves to a repeat-
ing ballot for a tie breaker.
• Councilor Conniff suggested that voice votes may influence others who
came before them. Do a ballot that keeps original votes secret (using email
to City Clerk) until they are announced to remove any influence.
• Dan Gilbert displayed a grid illustrating the explanations from Tom Peake
• Councilor Peake suggested we review each committee members preferences.
• A scenario where those who have certain people favor 1 over the other but
really do not like the other person, whereas, the other candidate may have 4
votes but is also the second candidate for everyone else. Councilor Conniff
suggests the person who has the most preferred average of all rankings to
break the tie.
• Councilor Kwiecinski suggests that when there is a tie between 2 candi-
dates, there should be further debate and decision between 2 candidates.
• Dan Gilbert suggests using a repeating ballot in the case of a tie doing de-
liberation.
• Councilor Conniff summarized a repeating ballot concept. That it could go
on for any number of rounds possibly with no resolution.
• Councilor Rist concurred on the concept of repeating ballots.
• Councilor Peake reminded everyone that the Rule that was voted and ap-
proved by the City Council a year ago was to move to a Ranked Choice Vote
for this process. He suggested that rather than repeating ballots why would
we not take a signal from prior rounds and rankings.
• Further discussion on what form the vote should take. Concern if we move
away from RCV the entire City Council rule would have to be modified
completely.
• Councilor Peake suggests that we use Councilor Conniff’s suggestion of av-
eraging the rankings of the candidates who tie.
• It was agreed to make changes to the Rule that incorporates averaging of
candidate preferences to break ties for elimination as well as ties.
Motion to recommend the amendments to Rule 8B as written by Councilor Peake during this
meeting made by Councilor Rist, seconded by Councilor Conniff. Motion passed 3-0
COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC:
Paul St. Pierre: Made comments around the fact that this process is unfair and that there is no
way to get around potential ties.
Councilor Conniff made a point of order that until this committee comes up with a solution, it is
inappropriate to take comments from a candidate who is participating in the election.
Paul St. Pierre: Believes this process opens up the council to embarrassment. Suggested a
mechanism in MGL to allow the Chief Executive nominate a candidate for the council to consid-
er. Opens up the council to huge criticism of the public.
Councilor Peake states that the City Charter requires that the City Council make the nomination
and replacement.
JP questioned the fact that the Charter uses the word “vote”. He states it is not explicitly stated
that there is no reference to vote.
Councilor Conniff, read the Charter aloud and stated that the City Council “elects” the replace-
ment to fill the vacancy. By using the term”elects”, implies that the council “votes”
6:20 pm - Motion to adjourn by Councilor Conniff, seconded by Councilor Rist. Motion
passed 3-0
Next Meeting: ? at 5:00 pm
Agenda
PUBLIC MEETING NOTICE
OFFICE OF THE EASTHAMPTON CITY CLERK
TIME STAMP:
By Office of the City Clerk at 1:49 pm, Oct 23, 2020
City Council Rules & Govt. Relations
BOARD/COMMITTEE: Committee
DATE: October 26, 2020 TIME: 5:00 pm
BUILDING & ROOM: Remote meeting due to COVID-19 restrictions
Clerk or board member: Thomas Peake, Chair
Topic: City Council Rules and Government Relations
Time: Oct 26, 2020 05:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
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LIST OF TOPICS TO BE DISCUSSED
1. Approval of minutes not previously approved.
2. Public Speak Time
3. New Business:
- Consideration of amendment to Council Rule 8B (for handling council tie votes)
4. Continuing Business:
5. Next meeting: To be determined.
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