City Council - Rules & Government Relations Committee
Regular MeetingEasthampton, MA · January 26, 2023
Minutes
CITY OF EASTHAMPTON
OFFICE OF THE CITY COUNCIL
Easthampton Municipal Building
50 Payson Ave., Ste. 100
Easthampton, Massachusetts 01027-2260
Telephone #: (413) 529-1400, ext. 460
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MINUTES
RULES AND GOVERNMENT RELATIONS Meeting 01/26/23
Attendees:
R&GR Members:
Councilor Dan Rist, Chair
Councilor Koni Denham, Clerk
President Homar Gomez
Remote Attendance:
Councilor James Kwiecinski,
Other Attendees:
Councilor Owen Zaret, Jeff Bagg
Meeting Called to Order at 5:30 pm. The meeting was video recorded
Minutes approved Denham moved, Rist 2nd. Vote unanimous (2-0)
1. New Business
A. Biodiversity Environment and Ecological Sustainability
a. Chair Rist – Good committee to have and important not have several committees
doing the same things. A few things to look at: No paid staff member should be
obligated to be on the committee even as a non-voting members. They have jobs
and can be called in. They can serve in a supporting role. Tackling all the issues,
biodiversity, bees, sustainability, energy, etc. Policy and legislative action is great.
Dropping membership to 7 members. It is more workable and more likely to get
there. One city councilor is enough. Different commissions participation or their
designee. Do we need an energy advisory committee if energy is also covered.
The Mayor would have to disband it, but it feels like a redundancy.
b. Councilor Denham - Combine energy advisory committee and this committee
together. More holistic approach at the issues. It will be important for people who
are interested in similar facets of the overall issue in the same room talking to
each other would be important. Additionally, different city departments aren’t
having to go and advise different committees. They can advise one group.
c. Councilor Kwiecinski – can go either way about combining both committees.
Understands the holistic approach as the issues will overlap. The energy
committee does talk about a lot of different issues, which may be a lot for others
to be a part of that meeting. Curious why membership is 7 and not 9. With
number you can get to quorum.
d. Chair Rist – A smaller committee is easier to manage. If we get rid of the Energy
Advisory Committee then we get rid of a member, and it brings it to 7. Both
committees advise the Mayor and the City Council. One of your points is
stewardship, and energy is a big part of that. Point 2 covers the Energy Advisory
Committee and why do we need an Energy Advisory Committee to do the same
thing? Conservation commission and Agricultural Commission need to be in the
room to discuss the issues and compromise on issues like pesticides, native
gardens, bees, etc. Sometimes there are conflicts in approaches. Has there been
any feedback from different groups.
e. Councilor Zaret – Important to have an integrated pesticide management plan.
Agricultural side might have different needs or applications. Important to have
them discussing plans.
f. Chair Rist – If there are on the same committee then they can get the feedback
from one another.
g. Director Bagg- Committee should be aware of and use other citywide plans as a
guide as priorities are shifting around. Through this committee’s work and the
climate action plan, if farmland protection is a priority, then this committee would
send it over to the Agricultural Commission to drill down and do that work.
Things will get shifted around as priorities are identified. This committee would
be reviewing city documents is a large part of this work.
h. Councilor Zaret – Agrees with most points. Hesitant to absorb Energy Advisory
Committee without conversations with them. Ordinance recognizes the different
offices.
i. Chair Rist – This ordinance likely couldn’t dissolve the Energy Advisory
Committee. There should be a lot of conversation to make such a decision. What
is that committee’s membership now?
j. Mayor LaChapelle – They have quorum, and they have business before them.
They work is complicated but it is long.
k. Chair Rist – If someone from the Energy Advisory is on the committee then
someone would take questions or comments back. It is exactly what happens on
the CPA, so there is a reason not to get rid of the Energy Advisory Committee.
l. Councilor Zaret – I agree. I voted the department members out for a variety of
reasons. They could just be invited at the pleasure of the committee. We would
want by ordinance that we would expect that the committee engage with those
departments.
m. Chair Rist – I don’t know that it would have to be in the ordinance. It seems like
logical sense there would be expected engagement with departments.
n. Councilor Denham – I had a conversation with a member of the Energy Advisory
Committee who seemed open to combining the two. Combination would allow us
to move policies and decision making more quickly.
o. Chair Rist – I don’t know that they understood that we would be dissolving their
committee.
p. Councilor Kwiecinski – Wants to speak with the Energy Advisory Committee
regarding combining them before any decisions are made. Maybe diluting the
Energy Advisory Committee to only have one member.
q. President Gomez – One option is to speak with the Energy Advisory Committee
and see about adding more members to their committee. Second option is to
change from 9 to 7 members of BEES committee, as well as change language
from “shall” to “must” be from specific committees.
r. Chair Rist – Language – Shall means must – you don’t have a choice. The idea of
a designee gives the opportunity to someone who can’t sit on the Conservation
Committee, hypothetically, but how about you sit on this committee for us.
Designees can be assigned when other members are overstretched with prior
commitments.
s. Mayor – Energy Advisory Committee – should stay separate. Committee has a
purpose, but it is premature because we are starting our Climate Action Plan. Our
Conservation Agent is working with the Energy Advisory Committee on
aggregation and that study is already begun. Climate Action Plan is coming and
will have very specific goals and that are tied to specific grants. There is value
with this committee, which has great ideas, to write it without the Climate Action
Plan, there may be little interaction with Mayors because there will be focus on
environmental impacts, which are prioritized by professionals. These priorities are
more likely to be funded.
t. Chair Rist – Will the Climate Action Plan include biodiversity? The Conservation
Agent is in favor of this Committee.
u. Mayor LaChapelle – Yes. It is holistic. Joining the Bee City USA would go
forward and not stop because of a new committee. City has a lot of committees,
but people are struggling with time commitments with committees. We need to
review committee scope. Responsibilities are changing.
v. Chair Rist – Can we join Bee City based on a resolution. Can that happen without
creating a committee. We didn’t know about Climate Action Plan
w. Councilor Zaret – Might be a landing spot for consultant. Doesn’t fit with
consultant.
x. Director Bagg – Different ways to approach – Climate action plan is the umbrella
that will create a list of actions for the city. City is looking to reduce our carbon
footprint, which is primary conversation at state level. Ordinance focuses on
resiliency. Identify future action steps that the city should be taking.
y. Chair Rist – Who does this work?
z. Director Bagg – Work will be directed by departments. Climate Action Plan isn’t
necessitated by this committee and can move forward without it. Bouncing of the
Energy Advisory Committee because of the carbon element. The Climate Action
Plan doesn’t need this committee, but it could be useful in the future to implement
later steps.
aa. Chair Rist – This committee could be dealing with the biodiversity aspects
separate from the Climate Action Plan.
bb. Councilor Zaret – Tasks the committee with other tasks around biodiversity and
sustainability. Ad hoc was recommended because they could create policies and
give them to the City Council and then dissolve. Given other discussions it seems
that there could be a longer use for the committee. If the Council is intereste in the
Bee City, then it needs somewhere for those conversations to occur. Agrees with
importance of performance. Tasks related Xerxes. More than just resolution.
cc. Chair Rist – More holistic approach is important, and this committee could be
useful. Address issues that are not covered by the Climate Action Plan. This is a
useful committee to have in order to cover issues that aren’t covered by other
committees or the plan. I could go either way. I think we need to change
membership, but I’ll vote for it. Energy Advisory Committee would be a member.
dd. Director Bagg – Listed actions are not easy to do and will take time to get there. A
lot of the committee’s work will not be done until Climate Action Plan is done,
which it will be completed in the next year. From the plan will come priorities.
Any committee will take up to a year to get off the ground and oriented. Have a
plan to identify ways of getting funds.
ee. Chair Rist – This committee could be up and running when the Climate Action
Plan is completed.
ff. Councilor Kwiecinski – Having the committee up and running they can get going
on bees and moves onto other larger projects with the guidance of the Climate
Action Plan.
gg. Councilor Zaret – It will take time to get going. The committee can work on
Xerxes criteria which could take months to discuss and get going. Partnership
with school and other ongoing projects. Then it’s an advisory committee. There’s
work that can be done without stepping on other committee’s toes.
hh. Chair Rist – Will there be trouble finding members?
ii. Councilor Zaret – There won’t be trouble finding members.
jj. Mayor – Models other deliberative bodies and would be another example of lack
of diversity on committee. A great way to get public opinion. Huge shift in
municipal funding. I don’t think this is a priority for people in the city. These are
important, but not a priority of residents. The people who are most impacted by
climate are People of Color, and I can’t say that this committee be diverse and
reflect who is impacted most by climate change.
kk. Chair Rist – I agree but how do we solve that?
ll. Mayor LaChapelle – We need to think about why they aren’t diverse and not
create another one.
mm. Councilor Zaret – With the citizen engagement with this committee, there
is an opportunity to create very simple climate solutions to our residents.
nn. Mayor LaChapelle – If this is a committee of action, similar to the Rail Trail or
the Pond, it’s fantastic, but they self-fund.
oo. Chair Rist – That’s interesting, I didn’t see any funding aspect. This is advisory
for this committee.
pp. Mayor – There can’t be any staff support on a regular basis. Can we add other
stakeholders, like Acadia or the Land Trust. Maybe it’s a roundtable discussion.
The climate action plan includes public meetings, similar to what we are doing
with Main Street. This also touches on what this committee is suggesting to do,
like plantings.
qq. Chair Rist – But that is specific to Main Street. This committee is about the whole
city.
rr. Mayor LaChapelle – It certainly is. Look at increase in traffic and speeding. If we
address these issues, we are looking at decreasing carbon. This committee would
touch upon this. This committee is useful but concerned about frustration that the
impact won’t be smaller unless it is self-funding.
ss. Chair Rist – I don’t understand funding.
tt. Mayor LaChapelle - If we wanted to have an educational program, you have to
pay for it.
uu. Chair Rist – Committee would need to find grants to fund this project. This is
frustrating. A lot of people want the City to pay for things when there are a lot of
grants to pay for things. It means that someone has to look for them. That’s the
type of thing that this committee could do. If you want a recycling program, find
the money. Don’t come to the city.
vv. Mayor – It’s the way we have to go. We are already shifting funds from other
departments into Public Health, Planning, DPW for these types of initiatives. I
understand the interests in the public. This is a very big committee that touches all
areas of the city and other committees. We have a Climate Action Plan. It is
different. The number one priority with climate action is fleet buying.
ww. Chair Rist – We are talking energy there.
xx. Mayor LaChapelle – No it is climate. We have to stop focusing on energy. Our
focus needs to be carbon. The biggest contributor to city’s carbon footprint is
cars. With all of the enthusiasm across the committees that we have now. Can
other committee take on some of these responsibilities? Idea is great. Experts
have put together a Climate Action Plan.
yy. Councilor Zaret – Just because the scope is this big doesn’t mean the committee
will work on all of these things. The items on the agenda would be fed by the
Mayor’s office. Some the other committees like conservation or agriculture don’t
fill some of these gaps.
zz. Chair Rist – Sees redundancy but thinks it’s important, particularly biodiversity
issues.
aaa. Mayor LaChapelle – Could we have focused work in New City. We worry
about public input. This is another way. Also, concerned about diversity make-up
of committee.
bbb. Councilor Kwiecinski – start moving forward with tasks and then move
onto other things.
ccc. Chair Rist – Tasked with projects, New City, Bees. Doesn’t have to be in
the ordinance, but we give them the tasks.
ddd. Councilor Denham – How do we be efficient? Who’s responsibility is to
review committee purposes. Who’s doing what? Who’s responsibility is it to keep
track of those responsibilities.
eee. Chair Rist – Mayor asks all committee to review committee purposes for
existing, mission, and goals. Have they changed? Most committees are appointed
by the Mayor. Make a couple of edits and vote on it next meeting. Will identify
another meeting time.
fff. President Gomez – All of the City committees are created by ordinance, it is up to
City Council to review.
B. Charter Changes
a. Chair Rist – Section 2-10 – No problem with changes. This used to be 30 days.
Need to make it 45 days because of the summer. If you make it too long it is stuck
in council. Affirm a member or most to deny a membership. Members take their
jobs seriously and has no problem with the changes.
b. Councilor Denham – There is problem with the application process, not the
vetting process. We don’t communicate expectations, process, and don’t
understand applicant needs or preferred mode of communication. We haven’t
indicated how we will be communicating with them regarding follow-up. Our
purpose is to remove barriers and to encourage participation in government, and
to give Chairs people who can participate in their committees. This change feels
like it slows down that process.
c. Chair Rist – After discussions with previous committee chairs, it was problem. I
don’t have a solution. But giving more time, we’re only talking about 15 days, I
don’t think that will slow down the process. Those chairs are working really hard
to get answers to the council.
d. Councilor Kwiecinski – Agrees application and expectations is flawed. Process
for contacting, etc. That can be done outside the change in the Charter. Shouldn’t
be addressed in the Charter. He’s good with moving it to 60 days. We can do it
faster if it is something that can be accomplished. Do we need 60 days if there is a
matter of rejection.
e. Chair Rist - We’ve approved most appointments in one meeting. We need to be
prepared for controversies. The purpose is to reject a member. Giving the council
more time to investigate a rejection isn’t a bad idea. It’s only happened once.
f. President Gomez – Twice.
g. Chair Rist – Twice in 26 years.
h. Councilor Kwiecinski – Reading 2-9 and 2-10, these have to make more clear.
The items aren’t different.
i. Chair Rist – I think that has to be made as a future agenda item to discuss 2-9.
j. Councilor Kwiecinski – The items are different, and they elicit what we are
talking about.
k. Councilor Zaret – Fine tuning can happen. There’s good information, but the
committee couldn’t meet. It felt like a reasonable extension. If we voted to extend,
why not just change the process to already include 60 days. The process won’t
take that amount of time for each application. We could have given more justice
to that conversation.
l. Councilor Denham – In 26 years, appointment rejections has only happened
twice. Why do we think that merits a Charter change? I don’t want this to give
opportunities to go searching for reasons not appoint applicants.
m. Chair Rist/President Gomez – That’s not the intent.
n. Councilor Denham – I’m not saying it is the intent, but I don’t want that to
become the intent. People use such opportunities to prevent participation. This is
particularly important when we are talking about access, BIPOC residents serving
on committees, and other underrepresented populations. When we are talking
about access, we need to be mindful of what participation looks like. This doesn’t
happen that often to warrant such a change.
o. President Gomez – the opposite can happen. The Mayor can submit an applicant
and not provide enough time for a review. The 45 days starts when the Clerk
receives the application.
p. Mayor LaChapelle – 45 and 60 – wants to see 2 meetings a month in the summer.
Happy through administrative code to codify application process. Current form is
a helping form. Have the goals identified. Shouldn’t be a long process.
q. Chair Rist – Section 2-9 (b) provides an explanation for rejection by a councilor
that is also second.
r. President Gomez – Section 2-10 – public. Not able to talk about it because the
public was not publicized.
s. Councilor Kwiecinski – 2-9b question relates to 2-10. Motion is to reject the
appointment.
t. Chair Rist – doesn’t want 1 councilor to overrule the will of the council. Why that
language there. If the majority wants to reject the appointment, 1 or 2 members
can’t push through an appointment.
u. Councilor Kwiecinski – Can it be changed to a vote on any appointment made by
the Mayor shall not be subject to, instead of rejection.
v. Chair Rist – explanation rejection of an appointment, not affirmation. The entire
section is on rejection, not affirmation. This is about the Mayor’s appointments,
not Council appointments. We must approve Charter changes by the legislature.
Concurrent approval with an approval by the mayor.
w. Mayor – Wouldn’t vote against the will of the Council.
x. Chair Rist – Staggered compensation for Mayor. Puts in writing that we can
stagger payment. Can do it over four years.
y. Councilor Kwiencinski – This is too complicated. Simpler language would be
better.
z. Chair Rist – Language is to codify the process. Why not put into the Charter. You
can’t raise the Mayor’s salary while that person is still in office.
aa. Councilor Kwiencinski – I agree it needs to be done, but not put into the Charter.
bb. Councilor Zaret – It is clarifying language. It’s not changing what we already do.
cc. Councilor Kwiencinski – By defining what we “may” do, if someone comes up
with another idea, will they be able to do it in this new way.
dd. Chair Rist – “May” gives flexibility.
7:18 pm - Motion to adjourn – Councilor Denham, Councilor Kwiecinski – 2nd. Vote unanimous
(3-0)
Next meeting: February.
Agenda
PUBLIC MEETING NOTICE
OFFICE OF THE EASTHAMPTON CITY CLERK
TIME STAMP:
By Office of the City Clerk at 9:04 am, Jan 19, 2023
City Council Rules & Government
BOARD/COMMITTEE: Relations Committee
DATE: January 26, 2023 TIME: 5:30 pm
BUILDING & ROOM: In person meeting at 50 Payson Ave.,
Conf. Rm. #1, 1stflr & remote by Google Meet
Clerk or board member: Daniel Rist, Chair
Rules and Government Relations
Thursday, January 26 · 5:30 – 7:00pm
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Video call link: https://meet.google.com/ksa-yyqw-nyr
Or dial: (US) +1 225-414-2237 PIN: 966 428 520#
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LIST OF TOPICS TO BE DISCUSSED
1. Approval of minutes not previously approved.
2. Public Speak Time
3. New Business:
• Charter 2-10 Change
4. Old Business
• Draft suggestions on charter changes re: Vacancy in the Office of Mayor/4 year
term, Charter 3-1
• Proposal to make Easthampton an official Xerxes Society Bee City
Next meeting TBA
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