Planning Commission Meeting
Regular MeetingEscondido, CA · May 8, 2018
Minutes
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CITY OF ESCONDIDO
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE
ESCONDIDO PLANNING COMMISSION
May 8,2018
The meeting of the Escondido Planning Commission Meeting was called to order at
7:00 p.m. by Chairman Spann, in the City Council Chambers, 201 North Broadway,
Escondido, California.
Commissioners present: James Spann, Chairman; Don Ramo, Vice-chairman;
Michael Cohen, Commissioner; Joe Garcia, Commissioner; James McNair,
Commissioner; Mark Watson, Commissioner; and Stan Weiler, Commissioner.
Commissioners absent: None.
Staff present: Bill Martin, Director of Community Development; Mike Strong,
Assistant Planning Director; Adam Finestone, Principal Planner; Darren Parker,
Associate Planner; Owen Tunnell, Assistant City Engineer; Adam Phillips, Senior
Deputy City Attorney; and Ty Paulson, Minutes Clerk.
MINUTES:
Moved by Commissioner Weiler, seconded by Commissioner McNair, to approve the
minutes of the April 24, 2018, meeting as amended by Chairman Spann to correct
the list of those commissioners sworn in to office. Motion carried. Ayes: Garcia,
McNair, Spann, Romo, Watson, and Weiler. Noes: None. Abstained: Cohen. (6-0-
1)
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS — Received.
FUTURE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS — None.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
Chairman Spann provided a proclamation to Jeffrey Weber for his public service to
the City of Escondido.
Bill Martin, Community Services Director, thanked Jeffrey Weber for his services
to the City.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS:
Item 2 taken out of order.
2. ZONING CODE AMENDMENT— AZ 18-0004:
REQUEST: Amendment to the Escondido Zoning Code to change the number of
menu boards allowed for drive-through restaurants. Current citywide sign
regulations allow up two (2) freestanding menu board signs for each drive-through
business. The proposed Zoning Code Amendment would increase the maximum
number of menu board signs allowed to accommodate businesses that feature
more than one stacking lane. The proposal also includes the adoption of the
environmental determination prepared for the project.
PROPERTY SIZE AND LOCATION: Citywide
Adam Finestone, Principal Planner, referenced the staff report and noted that staff
recommended approval of the proposed resolution, recommending that the City
Council adopt, with any suggested edits, amendments to Article 66 of the Zoning
Code, for the following reasons:
• The proposed amendment would update sign regulations to accommodate
drive-through restaurants constructed with multiple drive-through lanes.
• Allowing two (2) boards per stacking lane helps promote and achieve
appropriate site development of drive-through facilities. Allowing a preview
board and an order board for each stacking lane will further one of the
purposes of providing multiple stacking lanes by reducing the likelihood that
queuing vehicles would spill out on public streets and major parking lot
aisles.
Commissioner Watson asked if the proposed sign would utilize fixed graphics.
Mr. Finestone replied in the affirmative.
Commissioner Cohen and staff discussed the proposed access for the project.
ACTION:
Moved by CommissiOner Weiler, seconded by Commissioner Watson, to approve
staff's recommendation. Motion carried unanimously. (7-0)
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1. APPEAL OF ADMINSTRATIVE DECISISON — PHG 18-0008:
REQUEST: An appeal of Administrative Decision Per Article 40, Section 33-803 of
the Escondido Zoning Code, for the non-emergency demolition of a skating rink
building constructed in 1950 and remodeled in 1959. Demolition of the building
has been requested in conjunction with a Plot Plan application to construct a
carwash facility on the property. In accordance with City policy, the existing
building was evaluated to determine if the building constitutes a significant historic
resource. The assessment concluded that the subject building does not qualify
under any criterion for nomination to the California Register of Historical
Resources/National Register of Historical Places, and is not eligible for listing on
the Local Register of Historical Places. Therefore, the Planning Division concluded
that the non-emergency demolition permit could be considered at a staff level.
Gary and Christine Stang (Skate World) is appealing the administrative decision
to the Planning Commission. The subject site is located with the CG (Commercial
General) zone, and within the GC (General Commercial) General Plan
designation. The scope of the hearing only includes the procedure and findings for
obtaining a non-emergency demolition permit.
PROPERTY SIZE AND LOCATION: The subject site is located on the east side
of N. Broadway, just north of Mission Avenue and south of Lincoln Avenue,
addressed as 862 N. Broadway, (APN: 229-130-49)
Mike Strong, Assistant Planning Director, noted that the item was an appeal of an
administrative decision that a determination was made that the subject building and
site were not historically significant in the review of a demolition permit. This limits
the scope of the public hearing. He stated that the Commission was not considering
the demolition permit, the future use of the site, the proposed plot plan application for
a carwash facility at the site, or the interim ordinance for a moratorium on all carwash
primary uses or future uses for the site.
Darren Parker, Associate Planner, referenced the staff report and noted staff
issues were whether the existing structure or subject site was historically
significant and whether the property may contain historical resources even if they
haven't previously been identified. Staff recommended upholding the
administrative decision due to the following:
• The scope of the public hearing only includes the procedure and findings
for obtaining a non-emergency demolition permit. Article 40, Section 33-
803 of the Escondido Zoning Code allows for the issuance of a non-
emergency demolition permit if the structure is not considered Historically
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significant. There were no procedural violations that justifies further
proceedings.
• The existing structure is not historically significant concluded by an historical
assessment that was completed on April 7, 2017 by Brian Smith and
Associates and in accordance with CEQA and Section 33-803 of Article 40
(Historical Resources) of the Escondido Zoning Code.
Commissioner Watson asked if the request included the review of the historical
report to determine if it was accurate in its findings. Mr. Strong replied in the
affirmative.
Chairman Spann noted that he had received 20 speaker slips in favor of the appeal
who did not want to speak.
Christina Stang, Operations Manager at Skateworld San Diego, noted that
they filed the appeal to stop the demolition of the only single-span structure in San
Diego County, and to protect the childhood memories of hundreds of individuals.
She then asked the audience who were in favor of the appeal to stand (whereby
the majority of the audience stood). She noted that the Commission had received
over 30 letters in support of the appeal. She expressed concern with the historical
report potentially being bias due to being done a party who was hired by the owner
of the subject property. She asked that they be allowed to hire their own historian
to vet the exterior and interior so as to receive an unbiased evaluation of the
property. She noted that the skating surface at the subject site was still in good
shape in 2013. She stated that they had created a Facebook Page that had over
1,500 people trying to save the site. She asked that the Commission help save the
Ups-N-Downs.
Geoff Barry, Attorney for Skateworld, felt the historical report had the potential
to be bias because it was done by the developer's historian. He felt that any report
of similar nature was subjective based on personal opinions of the author. He
stated that the developer's historian identified 2 out of 7 elements to determine the
sites historical significance, noting his view that only one more was needed to
classify it as historical. He stated that the author of the historical report found that
the building could qualify for the City's Historical Register but then disqualified it.
Mr. Barry asked that any decision be delayed for 45 days to allow Skateworld's
historians to vet the developer's report and provide further information on the
potential historical significance of the subject property. He indicated that the 45-
day delay should not be prejudicial to the developer since the moratorium had
already been imposed. He felt this allowed both parties time to present additional
evidence.
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Gary Stang, Owner/Operator of Skateworld, noted that he had operated
Skateworld for over 43 years. He stated that they catered to schools, private
events, fundraisers, and had been a magnet to draw people to Linda Vista. He
indicated that they were the only roller skating facility in San Diego, noting they
received numerous calls from North County residents asking when they were going
to open in North County. He elaborated that skating rinks provided drug and
alcohol free, affordable family entertainment that helped keep kids off the street.
He also felt that they could create a viable business using the subject site.
Commissioner Weiler asked Mr. Stang how long he had been in negotiations with
the subject property owner. Mr. Stang noted that they had their broker contact the
property owner who indicated the facility was being demolished and a carwash
was being put in.
Commissioner McNair stated that the letter from Skateworld indicated that they
made contact with the owner back in 2013, questioning whether any negotiations
had occurred during the last five years. Mr. Stang noted that he had not had any
discussions with the property owner. Christina Stang commented that they had
visited the property in 2013 and opened discussions with the property's broker to
no avail.
Commissioner McNair asked Mr. Stang whether they felt the subject property could
be a viable roller skating business if the moratorium was given and the building
was not demolished. Mr. Stang stated that he would like the opportunity to open
negotiations with the property owner.
Robert Reed, Escondido, noted that his mother and father skated at Ups-N-
Downs along with his siblings. He felt a skating facility would help bring back
affordable family entertainment to the community and help with the City's economic
plan to make Escondido a destination city. He also noted that the closest skating
facility was located in San Diego.
Jodene Reid, Escondido, was in favor of the appeal.
Teri Fowles, Escondido, noted she had skated at Ups-N-Downs since she was a
child along with her children. She stated that Escondido had a large skating
community. She indicated that she used to drop off and pick up kids at Ups-N-
Downs, noting it provided a safe environment and kept kids off the street. She was
in favor of saving the single span building, feeling it was historical in nature and
could ultimately be a viable business under the right management.
Brett Stang, San Diego, noted that in 2013 they visited the subject property and
tried to negotiate with the property owner to no avail due to the property owner
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wanting to wait to see if a large vehicle corporation was interested in the property.
He stated that they were very interested in leasing the property. He felt Escondido
had a need for a skating facility. He elaborated that they were in favor of the appeal
to continue this item for 45 days.
April Hanna, Escondido, noted she was an avid roller skater, noting that skating
helped both physically and mentally. She stated that she had met numerous
individuals while working at UPS who had frequented Ups-N-Downs. She
expressed her desire to see the property become a masterpiece for the City as a
skating rink, feeling the City needed a place for passionate skaters.
John Hall, Encinitas, thanked the City for hearing the public and thanked the
Stang family for their interest. He noted that he was a former professional roller
derby skater, skating coordinator, and trained many actors and actresses how to
skate. He stated he used to be part of a skating rink in an area that had gang
activity. He noted that they were able to convert gang members into working
citizens and get many of them off the street. He elaborated that he was a security
guard for Skateworld and had never seen gang activity. He noted that skating
facilities provided drug and alcohol free family entertainment at a reasonable price.
He felt that a skating facility was needed in North County.
Aaron McCann, Escondido, felt the subject facility had historical significance. He
noted he had looked at the subject property in the past to create a viable skating
rink to no avail. He questioned whether the property owner was now willing to
negotiate since they were willing to sell the property.
Alexi Ohre, Oceanside, noted that she had multiple birthday parties at Ups-N-
Downs. She felt the historical report did no encapsulate the historical significance
of this facility to the community. She noted that she was a roller derby skater,
noting this type of facility aw well as heavily sought after. She also stated that they
used to hold afterschool programs at Ups-N-Downs for at risk teens, noting this
type of facility was needed.
Jennifer Dolge, Escondido, stated that she was on a roller derby team and
skated at Ups-N-Downs until 2010. She stated that North County had two adult
youth roller derby teams, noting that North County needed a skating facility. She
felt that reopening the skating rink would help the youth and families of Escondido.
Stephanie McCann, Escondido, noted that the closest skating facility was in San
Diego, noting her view that Escondido did not have many activities. She asked that
the subject facility not be demolished; noting there were thousands of memories
associated with the facility, which she felt should be considered in the historical
report.
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Tara MaIlls, Escondido, stated that the memories and cultural significance
attached to the subject property needed to be factored into the historical report.
She indicated that it was clear from the Facebook Page and from the amount of
people at this hearing that Ups-N-Downs was a critical part of Escondido's history.
Alyssa and Serenity McCann, Escondido, expressed their enthusiasm with
actively participating in roller derby at Skate World.
Robert Bleuer, Escondido, noted that he has lived in Escondido his whole life
and was concerned with the loss of family entertainment establishments such as
the bowling alley and miniature golf facility. He felt saving Ups-N-Downs would be
the first step to help make Escondido a family city. He stated that he worked with
at risk children, expressing his concern that there was nowhere in the City for kids
to be entertained or interact with other kids in a safe environment at a reasonable
cost. He also encouraged the City to restore the Ritz Movie Theatre on Grand
Avenue.
Mr. Hall noted that Beau Humphries wanted to speak on behalf of the armed forces
in favor of the appeal.
Marian Sedio, Valley Center, stated that she used to bring foster kids from a boys
ranch in Valley Center to Ups-N-Downs, noting it was very therapeutic to them.
She also felt Ups-N-Downs had helped keep kids off the street.
Commissioner Watson asked Mr. Barry if he had an example of bias in the
historian's report. Mr. Barry stated that he was suggesting that the bias was due
to the historian was hired by the developer.
Commissioner Watson asked Mr. Barry if he was aware of any other examples that
would qualify the property as historically significant. Mr. Barry noted that the report
had identified two out of the seven elements that would qualify it as historic.
Commissioner Watson asked Mr. Barry if they were prepared to commission a
historical report. Mr. Barry replied in the affirmative.
Kristina Halleox, Escondido, expressed her passion with roller derby and quad
roller skating. She stated that they were requesting time to show the historical
significance of the property.
Chairman Spann asked staff to reiterate and clarify the scope of the public hearing
and what specifically was to be considered by the Commission.
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Mr. Strong noted that the item before the Commission was to contemplate whether
the site was historically significant and whether the property contained historic
resources.
Commissioner Weiler asked if the Commission was only considering whether the
facility was a historic resource. Mr. Strong further clarified the matter of the appeal
was based on a notice received by the appellant about an intended decision based
on the procedure and findings for the issuance of a non-emergency demolition
permit. The basis of that decision being on the historical status of the site.
Commissioner Weiler asked if staff's view was that the property did not meet the
threshold to be considered a historic site. Mr. Strong replied the affirmative based
on the evidence included in the historical assessment and in consideration of all
evidence of record to date. Mr. Strong also noted that the subject site is not listed
on any registry or local survey of historical buildings.
Commissioner Weiler asked if the appellant could appeal the decision of the
Planning Commission to the City Council. Mr. Strong replied in the affirmative.
Commissioner Weiler asked when the Historic Preservation Commission would
become involved. Mr. Strong noted that the Historic Preservation would only
become involved if the property was determined to be historic.
Commissioner Garcia noted that he was torn between the property owner rights
and the passion and desire to retain the facility by the public. He also questioned
whether there was enough interest today to make it a viable business.
Commissioner Weiler noted that he skated at Ups-N-Downs and would like to see
it reopen. He sympathized with the passion to reopen the facility and also with the
property owner. He stated that the question before the Commission was whether
the site was historic, noting to date studies had shown that the facility did not meet
the criteria as a historic structure.
Vice-chairman Romo expressed his concern with the subjectivity resting on both
parties, noting that the issue with the skating facility was that the value did not
appear to work for the proposed business.
Chairman Spann noted that roller skating was a wonderful past time. He did not
feel the subject facility could generate the type of revenue needed to keep it viable.
He also stated that he concurred with the historical report.
Commissioner McNair did not feel memories made a site historic.
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ACTION:
Moved by Commissioner McNair, seconded by Commissioner Weiler, to approve
staff's recommendation. Motion carried unanimously. (7-0)
Chair Spann adjourned the meeting at 8:30 pm and reconvened the meeting at
8:34 pm.
Informational presentation on the Climate Action Plan Update
(PHG 18-0009), and summary of anticipated outreach events and
activities.
Mike Strong, Assistant Planning Director, referenced the staff report and provided
a presentation on climate action planning and the anticipated approach to updating
the City's Climate Action Plan. No action was required at this time except to
provide direction to staff as appropriate.
Commissioner Weiler asked that the Commission be informed of any future
workshops or community meetings. Mr. Strong indicated that the Commission
would receive regular updates on the work program, including public outreach
activities.
Vice-chair Romo and Mr. Strong discussed the threshold goals.
Commissioner Watson and Mr. Strong discussed the penalties and rewards for
jurisdictions meeting their threshold goals.
Commissioner Watson felt some of the 2050 goals appeared to be significant.
Marian Sedio, Valley Center, noted that she wanted to be part of the proposed
process and stated that she appreciated the work being done by City staff. She
also asked that the process be open and transparent.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: None.
PLANNING COMMISSIONERS: No comments.
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ADJOURNMENT:
Chair Spann adjourned the meeting at 9:09 p.m. The next meeting was scheduled
for June 12, 2018, at 7:00 p.m. in the City Council Chambers, 201 North Broadway,
Escondido, California.
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Mike Strong, Secretary to the Planning Ty Paulson, mutes Clerk
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