City Commission Budget Workshop
Regular MeetingEustis, FL · July 11, 2023
Minutes
APPROVED 9/7/2023
MINUTES
City Commission Budget Workshop
5:30 PM -Tuesday, July 11, 2023 - City Hall
CALL TO ORDER: 5:32 P.M.
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF QUORUM AND PROPER NOTICE
PRESENT: Commissioner Gary Ashcraft, Commissioner Nan Cobb, Commissioner Willie
Hawkins, Vice Mayor Emily Lee and Mayor Michael Holland
1. WORKSHOP ITEM WITH DISCUSSION, PUBLIC INPUT AND DIRECTION
1.1 Eustis Memorial Library
Tom Carrino, City Manager, commented on the updates to the draft budget from the
previous working document. He stated that staff is still finalizing with Economic
Development the job description and pay range for the Communications position. He
indicated the new positions are included in the summary. He commented on discussion
regarding the proposed additional staff for Development Services and explained they
are trying to determine where the most need is in the department.
Mr. Carrino then stated that with the proposed changes the draft budget is now
approximately $657,000 revenue over expenses so the overall budget has
increased . He requested that, once they are done with all of the workshops, they can
consider what is being done for staff for salary increases and discuss whether or not a
reduction in millage rate could be done.
Commissioner Cobb commented on the Development Services position and requested
that the public notice requirements be returned to in house due to some of the issues
that have occurred.
Ann Ivey, Eustis Memorial Library Director, commented on the salary for the available
librarian position which requires a master's degree in relation to the Communications
position and salary. She expressed concern regarding the salary ranges for her
master's degree positions.
Ms. Ivey presented information from the Lake County survey which highlighted the
library's cleanliness, welcoming, and friendliness. She noted public comments about
interest in more books, e-books and audio books.
Ms. Ivey reviewed the proposed Library budget highlighting those line items with
significant changes.
The Commission asked about the Library's air conditioning system with Rick Gierok,
Public Works Director, indicating it is included in the GIP (Capital Improvement Plan) .
Ms. Ivey explained the County offers the Overdrive program which the City would pay
for based on usage; however, the City has its own digital online book app which has
increased by almost 50% every year since Covid. She commented on the Chilton
online database and stated they are better than Youtube how to videos. She explained
people can download the app to either listen to or read the e-books. She commented
on the price of e-books.
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Ms. Ivey continued the budget review highlighting the increased request for book
purchases. She reported that the first two years with the Lake County system the
library received $35,000, then the next year they received $75,000 and last year they
received $101,000. This year they will receive $121,000. She explained that is based
on the amount of books being checked out. She commented on the revenues received
from processing the passport applications.
Ms. Ivey then reported on the use of E-rate. She explained they pay $1500 for internet
service and they get 90% of that back from the County through E-rate. She then
reported on the Library impact fees, trusts and memorials. She cited a trust that has
$3,000 left and her intention to use that to revamp the Young Adult area to attract more
teens.
The Commission asked about teen attendance at the library with Ms. Ivey responding
they have increased the teen attendance through offering anime, video games and teen
hang out nights. She expressed interest in establishing a teen advisory board.
The Commission asked about the passports with Ms. Ivey explaining how they are
processed and the revenues the library receives for processing them . Discussion was
held regarding whether or not they could offer the photography services. She
commented on the need to have more people trained to do the passports.
The Commission asked Ms. Ivey what the library needs. She responded they need to
expand to have a larger meeting room space. She explained she is working with the
County to use some of their impact fee money to get the architectural plans drawn or a
rendering . She added they also need another literacy station; however, she has a
donor possibly interested in that.
Mr. Gierok reported they have $85,000 programmed in the next fiscal year for the library
air conditioner.
Mike Sheppard, Finance Director, confirmed the Commission agrees with the increase
in e-books in the impact fee fund .
The Commission expressed interest in expanding the library space.
Ms. Ivey explained the County is changing how the impact fees are distributed as well
as the annual allocations. She commented on how some other libraries have
manipulated their figures to get additional funds .
Discussion was held regarding how the library could be expanded with the Commission
suggesting that, over the next year, staff look at what could be done and how it could be
funded.
1.2 Parks and Recreation Department
Craig Dolan, Parks and Recreation Director, reported the department is exceeding its
revenue goals for the current year with $123 ,000 collected from programs and $84,000
from rentals. He reviewed the increase in expenses highlighting custodial supplies. He
noted they purchase those supplies for the entire city. He indicated they were fully
staffed at that time. He added they are considering adding another part-time custodian.
The Commission asked about salaries for their staff with Mr. Dolan indicating that all
five of his staff members are working events and stated their salaries are in line with the
other senior staff assistants in the City.
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Mr. Dolan discussed rentals and the Community Center and requested feedback for
upgrades to the Community Center such as curtains for the stage. He indicated they
also need to purchase new kitchen carts due to theft. He indicated that the Community
Building rental has brought in $48,000 as of July. He reviewed other expense line items
and noted the increase in costs.
The Commission asked about the merchant fees for credit card payments with Mr.
Dolan explaining the City pays 2.7% for online payments.
Discussion was held regarding passing on that cost to the customers.
Mr. Sheppard noted the merchant fees surcharge is built into the rate structure for the
utilities and explained how it saves the City money by making it easier for customers to
pay their bills.
Discussion was held regarding whether or not the credit card fee should be passed on
to the customers and the increased efficiency with credit cards versus checks. It was
also noted that some of the City's fees have been adjusted to cover the cost of credit
card fees including the utility rates.
Mr. Dolan explained that the program instructors are the ones that set their rates with
the City receiving 30%. He indicated they are covering the fees due to the increase in
revenue .
Discussion was held regarding the overall loss to the City in the operation of Parks and
Recreation, the inconvenience of carrying a cash till from building to building and the
possible loss in participation if they charge a convenience fee.
CONSENSUS: It was a consensus of the Commission to increase fees to cover the
credit card fees.
Mayor Holland commented on the future of the Community Center building with repairs
and maintenance issues. He expressed opposition to expending large funds on the
building without making a decision about its future. He asked for staff to begin making
plans regarding the location and improvements to the Community Building. He
requested that any big ticket items be brought to the Commission .
The Commission suggested just carpeting the building rather than re-tiling it with Mr.
Dolan indicating that ten years previous it cost $20,000 for carpet squares so it would
probably be about the same.
Discussion was held regarding installation of a monument sign at the Community
Building and placing a combined sign at the corner of the Clifford Taylor house. It was
agreed to go ahead with the Community Building sign for the estimated $12 ,500 with
the sign to be placed on the Bay Street side.
Mr. Dolan reviewed the Programming budget with Mr. Dolan explaining the theater
program is in partnership with Something New Studio. He commented on how much
they have done for the City's programs. He confirmed the City also receives 30% of the
fees for those programs.
Mr. Dolan reviewed other costs including movies in the park and family nights. He
indicated they want to offer more special needs programs. He stated that the Movies in
the Park cost $300 to $500 per license.
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The Commission asked about attendance at the Movies in the Park and the
Daddy/Daughter event with Mr. Dolan stating they have not had a Movie in the Park
except for the one at Georgefest the previous year. He estimated attendance at that
was approximately 50 children at that event. He added the Daddy/Daughter event also
had approximately 50 attendees and cost to attend that is $30 per couple. He reported
that the Mother/Son Messy Mania was capped at 30 families due to space
availability. Further discussion was held regarding family and children events.
Mr. Dolan commented on the tremendous success of the previous year's Touch a Truck
and Blippy events. He thanked Public Works for their involvement. He noted an interest
in increasing programming for therapeutic recreation programs. Discussion was held
regarding the special needs events and number of attendees.
The Commission asked to partner with Lifepointe Church for the special needs events.
Mr. Dolan explained the purchase of a "gaga pit" and how the game is played .
The Commission asked about converting some of the tennis courts to pickleball at
Bennett Park and Elizabeth Circle. Mr. Dolan explained they tried doing a conversion
using tape and tennis players removed the tape. He suggested taking the court at
Bennett Park that does not have lights and converting it to two permanent pickleball
courts.
The Commission asked about how much the courts at Elizabeth Circle are used with
Mr. Dolan indicating it has minimal usage. He expressed concern regarding the amount
of available parking .
Further discussion was held regarding the location for a pickleball court. The
Commission asked about adding some benches to Bennett Park with Mr. Dolan
indicating there is funding in this year's budget which may be able to be used for
that. Mr. Carrino indicated that Public Works has funding in the CIP for the next several
years to address benches.
Mr. Dolan asked about adding an automatic gate to Palmetto Point Park. He explained
on how it would allow people to leave but not enter after it is closed. The Commission
opted to not add an automatic gate and for the expense to be removed from the draft
budget.
Mr. Dolan reported that they have installed a shade structure at Corey Rolle Field ;
however, it can only cover one of the sets of bleachers. He noted that the one just
installed at the pool cost $21,000. Discussion was held regarding the cost to add
another shade structure. The Commission agreed to leave in the cost for one shade
structure.
The Commission asked about adding a shower to the City fitness center with Mr. Dolan
indicating the only place it cou ld be added is possibly in the bathrooms.
Discussion was held regarding what could be done with Mr. Gierok indicating he would
look into the options and whether they could make a unisex shower. He then reported
on an issue with someone breaking the locking mechanism. Discussion was held
regarding the issue with the broken locks and whether or not adding a shower would
cause additional problems. Discussion was held regard ing installing security cameras
so the culprits can be prosecuted .
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Mr. Dolan reviewed making the aquatics programming year-round with the addition of
the new pool heater. He commented on the splash pad maintenance needed every five
to seven years. He indicated they are budgeting $4500 per year to reseal it but they
have been informed that every ten to twelve years they need to do a full replacement at
an estimated cost of $45,000. He stated that is in the CIP for the following fiscal
year. He added they are researching other products to try and reduce the cost.
The Commission asked about the cost for heating the pool year round with Mr. Dolan
indicating he did not have those figures . He noted they have a new high efficiency
heater and indicated that it costs more to chill a pool rather than heat it. He added they
do have a thermal blanket to cover the pool and they will not open the pool if the air
temperature is below 40 degrees.
The Commission asked when the pool is closed with Mr. Dolan reporting they used to
close the end of November due to the high school swim team's schedule. Now, they will
keep it open as long as it is over 50 degrees and it is light out. He explained that the
Health Department states the City does not have sufficient light on the pool for it to be
open later.
Mr. Gierok commented on the lighting issues and explained they do not have
underwater lighting. He stated they have had a photomatic engineer prepare a design
for the City and it is not very expensive ; however, staff can't get to the equipment. He
indicated that they have in the CIP a piece of equipment that could be used on the
decks and other places to change out the lights.
The Commission asked about the high school usage and if the pool is adequate to host
swim meets with Mr. Dolan explaining it is sufficient for one-on-one meets but not for
larger meets. He noted the pool is 73 years old. He stated he has $3 million in the CIP
in three to five years to redo the pool.
The Commission discussed the Splash Pad Attendant position and use of the pool for
Special Olympics.
The Commission asked about the shade structure for the basketball courts with Mr.
Dolan indicating it is budgeted for the current year. He stated $397 ,000 was quoted for
the two courts. He indicated he will be applying for a FRDAP grant August 1st;
however, the max for that would be $250 ,000. He commented on the delay in getting
that funding .
The Commission asked about the City's use of the ninth grade center with Mr. Dolan
reporting the City has used it for six weeks over the summer two nights per week for
volleyball and basketball.
The Commission asked about the solar powered kayak vending machine with Mr. Dolan
explaining a company would come in and maintain the kayaks and paddleboards and
the City would set the price and receive a percentage of the proceeds.
RECESS: 7:06 P.M . RECONVENE: 7:15 P.M.
1.3 Fire Department
Fire Chief Mike Swanson reviewed the Fire Department budget challenges in the
current year citing the engine warranties ending , Tower Truck trade-in issues, and boat
motor issues. He commented on issues with bunker gear replacement when there is a
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change in staff. He discussed the addition of the training captain and the overlap in
incoming and retiring deputy chief.
The Commission asked about the number of personnel in the department with Chief
Swanson responding there are 32 staff members and explained the administrative
assistant's responsibilities. He noted there is currently a vacant inspector position.
Mr. Carrino explained the addition of the training captain will help with administrative
responsibilities for the Fire Department.
The Commission expressed concern regarding the level of overtime despite hiring new
firefighters.
Chief Swanson discussed hiring and overtime issues with lieutenants and captains and
the difficulty in getting staff to take the required education courses to move up the
ladder and lead as officers. He commented on the issues he has faced with hiring the
Deputy Chief replacement.
Chief Swanson reported on the need for an additional fire station to make a positive
impact on the City's ISO. He discussed the possibility of building a public safety building
for both police and fire utilizing grant monies. Discussion was held regarding the best
location for a new station and estimated cost.
Mr. Carrino commented on the overtime issues and the engagement of fire and police
with the community.
Chief Swanson explained that when the fire department gets deployed to another area
to assist, the City pays for it out of the General Fund and then gets reimbursed. He
commented on promotions within the department and educational requirements and
noted senior engineers may serve as acting lieutenants.
Discussion was held regarding succession planning with Chief Swanson noting the
promotion of the Fire Inspector Niki Everson to Chief Fire Inspector. He commented on
the difficulty in obtaining good applicants for the Fire Inspector position.
Chief Swanson discussed line items for the suppression budget, operating supplies and
equipment for the new truck once it is received. He requested an additional $10,000 to
add some equipment to the fire boat. He commented on the possibility of obtaining a
new CAD station utilizing impact fees due to expansion of service as well as a new
software package called Wave. He explained it would allow staff to use their cell
phones to go on the radio channels rather than carry a radio . He indicated they are still
working on getting a good price for the software.
It was a consensus of the Commission to add the additional equipment for the fire boat
under Machinery and Equipment.
1.4 Public Works - Water/Wastewater
Following discussion, it was agreed to review the Water/Wastewater budget and
continue the Public Works budget to Thursday.
Rick Gierok, Public Works Director, reviewed the Water /Wastewater budget and
personnel requests. He reported that as of October 1st he would have 92 positions in all
of his departments. He commented on how the departments have not added new
positions over the years. He cited the need for transition planning due to upcoming
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retirements. He indicated that the departments currently have fifteen vacancies with the
primary issue being the pay levels.
Mr. Gierok began with the Water Engineering budget. He reviewed the proposed new
positions, including a buyer for procurement for water, wastewater and public works to
prepare items for the Purchasing Department. He noted promotions for the GIS person
to include project management and for a new Deputy Director for Engineering for
Capital. He explained it is not his plan to fund that position at that time, only to create
the position, and then to fund it in a few years. He commented on funding new
positions for transition planning. He cited a decrease in Other Contractual and Repairs
and Maintenance. He then noted the increase in office supplies for furnishings for the
creation of a new building at Bates Avenue .
Discussion was held regarding furniture for the building with Mr. Carrino noting the
availability of office furniture from a federal prosecutor that is moving his offices.
Mr. Gierok reviewed the following changes: 1) an increase in Operating Supplies
and Fuel; 2) reduction in Machinery & Equipment by $50,000; and 3) an increase in
Environmental Protection which was created the previous fiscal year.
Mr. Gierok then reviewed Water Administrative and cited an overall decrease of
$80,000. He explained the elimination of some projects that were completed and so
they were eliminated. He stated Repairs and Maintenance was reduced by $6,000 and
Operating Supplies was increased due to uniforms for new positions.
Mr. Carrino asked about the Machinery & Equipment - security cameras with Greg
Dobbins, Deputy Utilities Director, explaining they have been installing security cameras
at a different plant each year.
Mr. Gierok began reviewing the Water Treatment budget and explained they are getting
the plant operators to obtain dual licenses. He explained how that has been beneficial
for operations and reducing overtime. He reviewed the increases in communications,
internet expense and energy charges. He noted a decrease in repair and maintenance
charges. He then commented on the increase in cost for CDL licenses.
Mr. Gierok discussed Water Distribution increases for underground pipes, two new
positions, promotions and CDL licensure and reductions in Machinery & Equipment.
Mr. Gierok discussed Grounds Maintenance new positions. He explained that when the
new personnel are not busy they will be pulled into other functions as needed. He then
reviewed the Eastern Treatment budget citing Other Contractual, Communications and
Utilities increases. He commented on the utility increases for each of the plants. He
cited the planned purchase of chlorine analyzers at a cost of $50,000.
The Commission asked about utilizing solar power with Mr. Gierok responding it would
be discussed during review of the Capital Improvement Plan. He explained it will cost
the City an initial capital outlay of $1 .5 million with a payback in eleven years. He
further explained it would involve floating solar arrays and that staff has discussed it
with SEGO along with another company. He commented on the possibility of obtaining
grant monies but only if the City were actually an electric utility provider. He stated
there are tax incentives of 40% which would offset the capital cost.
The Commission asked about the status of security measures and protections under
Homeland Security with Mr. Gierok responding affirmatively and commenting on how
restrictive they are in allowing other agencies access to their information.
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Mr. Gierok reviewed the Wastewater budget. He explained $25,000 of the $45,000
increase is for the permit renewal. He explained the Collections and Lift Stations
increase of $135,000. He cited the addition of a new utility worker position and the
promotion of a lift station attendant to a supervisory position .
The Commission questioned the large Overtime budget noting that it is not used a
lot. Mr. Gierok explained the need to budget for it and that, if it is not used, it goes back
into fund balance. Mr. Dobbins and Mr. Gierok cited various incidents that can result in
overtime.
Mr. Gierok cited various increases and decreases within the department including an
increase for odor control and again for utilities. He then reviewed the revenue from
Umatilla for treating wastewater which helps offset the increased costs. He indicated
they are processing approximately 160,000 gallons per day from Umatilla.
Mr. Sheppard reported that the Umatilla revenue is estimated at $500,000.
Mr. Carrino explained that the updated rate study will analyze the increased costs to
determine the true cost to the City of Eustis so the rates are set appropriately. He
commented that the contract with Umatilla to process their wastewater requires that the
City break out collection costs versus treatment costs. He discussed the terms of the
agreement and explained it does not include a built-in rate increase.
Discussion was held regarding the wastewater treatment contract with Umatilla with Mr.
Gierok indicating they can increase that rate once the rate study is done. He further
discussed what will occur with that agreement in the future.
Mr. Gierok reviewed the Lab, Sludge and Lift Station budgets citing various increases
and decreases. He reported on the Eastern Lift Stations noting it is up overall by
$29,000. He indicated that is primarily due to Communications upgrades.
Mr. Carrino stated there would be another budget workshop on Thursday, July 13th and
they would review the Police Department and other Public Works accounts. He
indicated that the next workshop after that would be in two weeks on Tuesday to review
the CIP, CRA and some miscellaneous funds . He stated the July 27th workshop was
going to be cancelled due to the Vice Mayor traveling and they could reschedule if it is
needed.
Mayor Holland announced that the annual League of Cities conference would be August
18, 19 and 20th in Orlando. He confirmed that all of the Commissioners would be
attending and indicated he would work with Elis Forman to get the reservations set.
2. ADJOURNMENT: 8:55 P.M.
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CHRISTINE HALLORAN MICHAEL L. HOLLAND
City Clerk Mayor/Commissioner
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Agenda
AGENDA
City Commission Budget Workshop
5:30 PM – Tuesday, July 11, 2023 – City Hall
CALL TO ORDER
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF QUORUM AND PROPER NOTICE
1. WORKSHOP ITEM WITH DISCUSSION, PUBLIC INPUT AND DIRECTION
1.1 Eustis Memorial Library
1.2 Parks and Recreation Department
1.3 Fire Department
1.4 Public Works - Water/Wastewater
2. ADJOURNMENT
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