City Commission Workshop: Fairgrounds
Regular MeetingEustis, FL · April 20, 2023
Minutes
APPROVED 05/04/2023
MINUTES
City Commission Workshop:
Fairgrounds
5:00 PM – Thursday, April 20, 2023 – City Hall
CALL TO ORDER: 5:00 P.M.
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF QUORUM AND PROPER NOTICE
PRESENT: Commissioner Willie Hawkins, Vice Mayor Emily Lee, Commissioner Gary Ashcraft,
Commissioner Nan Cobb, and Mayor Michael Holland
1. WORKSHOP ITEM WITH DISCUSSION, PUBLIC INPUT AND DIRECTION
1.1 WORKSHOP DISCUSSION ON FAIRGROUNDS
Tom Carrino, City Manager, summarized the packet information presented to City
Commission. He reviewed a few items, including map of property and history and venue
information. He highlighted the initial discussions noting the following: property given to
Lake County in 1967 and the event venue serves as home of the Lake County Fair. He
commented that in April 2022, the County and Fair Board appeared to be considering
relocation to another site and the County was in the process of evaluating another site
for relocation just outside the City of Tavares. At which time, the City Commission sent
a letter to the County Commission indicating an interest in ownership of the property.
Mr. Carrino commented on the current conditions of the property with buildings built in
1965, 1977, and 2010 with considerable deferred maintenance. He noted the findings of
the March 2021 evaluation: largest building partially in floodplain, structurally in fair
shape, no major electrical problems, no major plumbing problems, and air conditioning
only in small portion of main building. Per the Building Official, any major improvements
valued at more than half of the building's worth may trigger code requirements. He
commented that none of buildings are thought to be built to the modern 140 mile per
hour wind load. He highlighted that if building improvements are done at more than half
the worth, then it is considered a major improvement which triggers building code
requirements. He noted that the main building is valued at about $400,000, per the
Property Appraiser, so if improvements are done for more than half value, building
requirements will apply and the flood plain status may also be affected..
Mr. Carrino discussed the value and potential offer, including, reference to the March
2022 County Appraisal of $2,870,000 based solely on land not anticipating the value of
the buildings because the Appraiser thought the highest and best use was not as an
event center but as a redevelopment site. He noted the Appraiser referred to the
buildings as outdated and a liability to redevelopment with the highest and best use as
redevelopment. Mr. Carrino commented that the Lake County Property Appraiser
(LCPA) value of $1,302,544. He indicated that typically the Lake County Property
Appraiser's value is on the low side when it comes to valuation specifically regarding
government properties because the value does not equate to taxable value. He noted
that the property was given to the County in 1967 at no cost, and the County noted that
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the proceeds from the sale would be used to partially fund relocation so the County is
not in a position to donate the property back to the City.
In addition, Mr. Carrino noted the unrelated sale of the Sprayfield property in the
Sorrento area in 2021 for $1,736,973 and the funds were put into a water and
wastewater fund balance with the anticipation that one of the uses of the funding was
for sale and renovation of the Fairgrounds. He noted that while the transaction was
unrelated, the fund balance had the potential intent for use with this property.
Mr. Carrino asked for direction from City Commission. He asked if the City Commission
was interested in acquiring this site, and if so, was is a reasonable offer to start
negotiations. He also asked about the potential uses of the property. Mr. Carrino noted
his goal to use only a portion of the $1.7M for acquisition and hold back funds for
improvements.
Mayor Holland asked for Commissioners to provide input regarding acquisition and
offers.
Commissioner Cobb indicated an interest in acquiring the property and keeping it as an
event center. She commented on surrounding towns with venues, and North Lake
County should as well. She noted that the property is in the City of Eustis and the
Commission owes it to the citizens to acquire this property. She highlighted that the
appraisal was based on redevelopment value. She believed in the area having an event
center and was not interested in developing it as homes or commercial properties. She
commented on the option to receive the land back from the County and pay for the
buildings. She proposed an offer of one million and to relate to the County the intent to
utilize funds from the Sprayfield property to begin to make upgrades which will take
time.
Commissioner Ashcraft agreed with many of Commissioner Cobb's comments. He
asked about the County giving option of first right of refusal. Mayor Holland indicated
that the County verbally commented on such. Mr. Carrino noted that the right of first
refusal is not listed in any purchase agreement or contract, but he noted former City
Clerk, Mary Montez, did an analysis of the documents in 2012. He highlighted a memo
from Ms. Montez to Paul Berg which indicated Minutes that state how the County has to
allow the City to use the Fairgrounds for reasonable use at no cost and the County must
consult with the City when considering disposal of the property. Mr. Carrino commented
that the memo is open to interpretations.
Commissioner Ashcraft asked if the County was amenable to negotiations, but unsure
of offer.
Mr. Carrino noted talks with the County that the impression is that they are waiting to
see if we are interested and if they will sell, but there has been no direct dialogue
between Commissions. He commented that there has been an acknowledgement of the
City giving the County the property and that there is a public benefit to sell back to the
City. Commissioner Ashcraft suggested pursuing noting his concerns with the offer, but
he was amenable to negotiations.
Mayor Holland noted discussion with County officials and interests in selling to the City.
Mr. Carrino commented that there would likely be a need to pursue a Future Land Use
Change if sold to a buyer other than the City.
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Commissioner Hawkins noted an interest in pursuing and thought the offer fair starting
point $850,000 to $1M. He noted that the County has had the use of the property for 56
years and the City has not.
Commissioner Cobb noted a lack of investment in the property from the County through
the years, and the City is willing to put time and money into the community to make it
better.
Vice Mayor Lee indicated an agreement with previous comments and an interest in
pursuing and re-purposing the property. She asked about the Eustis Community Center
property. She would prefer an event center on the property.
Mayor Holland noted similar interests in pursuing and commented that Eustis needs a
multi-use venue. He noted that he does not want development on the property but he
envisions an enhanced ability and use of the property with an event center for the City.
He specifically noted use for Parks and Recreation and the Events team. Mayor Holland
confirmed that he does not want development on the property as the area cannot
handle that use. He noted that all the surrounding property was owned by City, including
mobile home parks, and the Master Plan will help determine needs and future uses.
Commissioner Cobb indicated conversations with County Commissioners regarding the
property.
Mayor Holland indicated to Mr. Carrino that the Commissioners do wish to move
forward with negotiations and meeting with Lake County to discuss with a starting point
of $850,000 to $1M.
Commissioner Hawkins asked about partnership options.
Mr. Carrino noted potential partnership and possible interest in approaching the County
to run the event venue. He noted the option for Eustis to buy the property and have an
agreement with the Lake County Fair if the County chooses to relocate and is willing to
negotiate.
Mayor Holland noted the County's limited events and marketing at the property.
Commissioner Cobb noted the County limited promotion of the property for event use.
Commissioner Hawkins asked about any benefit of the County keeping the property. He
commented that the County would not lose the property if Eustis took over and
managed the property with the Lake County Fair Board.
Mr. Carrino will keep communication open with the County.
Mayor Holland noted there would be no public input at this time due to it being a
Commission workshop. He indicated that if this moves forward, the item will be brought
back to the City Commission for public input.
2. ADJOURNMENT: 5:27 P.M.
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CHRISTINE HALLORAN MICHAEL L. HOLLAND
City Clerk Mayor/Commissioner
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Agenda
AGENDA
City Commission Workshop:
Fairgrounds
5:00 PM – Thursday, April 20, 2023 – City Hall
CALL TO ORDER
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF QUORUM AND PROPER NOTICE
1. WORKSHOP ITEM WITH DISCUSSION, PUBLIC INPUT AND DIRECTION
1.1 WORKSHOP DISCUSSION ON FAIRGROUNDS
2. ADJOURNMENT
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