Everett Transportation Advisory Committee (TAC)
Regular MeetingEverett, WA · July 21, 2016
Minutes
TAC MINUTES
July 21, 2016
In attendance:
Members Staff Guests
Edward Koltonowski Tim Miller, Public Works Joe Kunzler
T.J. Fournier George Baxter, Transit
J.T. Dray Ryan Sass, Public Works
William Weber Jeffrey Marks, Public Works
Robert Strickland Sabina Popa, Transit
Victor Harris Paul Kaftanski, Mayor’s Office
Scott Bader, City Council
8:20 a.m. William Weber, acting Chair, called the meeting to order.
M/S/P for the Amended May Minutes.
M/S/P for June minutes as presented, with an amendment to correct in the Transit Report that
the RFQ for Long Range Strategic Plan had not been issued, whereas the original minutes
mistakenly listed that it had. J.T. opposed approving the minutes as presented.
J.T. expressed unhappiness in the reporting of the minutes, as he felt his issues were not
being adequately recorded and felt that perhaps the minutes were being edited and did not
provide a true representation of what was being expressed during the TAC meeting. He
stated that he recalled a discussion last month of extending the TAC meeting by an additional
15 minutes, but this information did not get put into the minutes. Ed Koltonowski pointed out
that the minutes did state “Continued discussion of changing length of meetings and/or start
times” had been recorded. J.T. stated that he thought the committee advised the mayor and
wondered if the mayor had ever seen any of the TAC meeting minutes. He spoke about his
difficulties of trying to get amendments to the update of the comprehensive plan addressed.
He also spoke about the challenge of fostering discussions regarding the creation of an
advisory committee whose sole role would be to address issues relating to Everett Transit.
Announcements & Requests to Add Agenda Items
Victor encouraged everyone to look at the Puget Sound Regional Council’s new statewide
public transportation plan. He stated that it was a 20 year plan looking at age demographics
and how public transportation will be impacted over the long-term as more people opt to not
get a driver’s license and will be looking for transportation alternatives.
Edward Koltonowski requested a future agenda item to include a progress update of the bike
plan and pedestrian plan.
J.T. talked about the construction of Children’s Hospital in North Everett and would like some
discussion surrounding parking for the area.
Bob Strickland talked about a WSDOT advertisement he heard where the slogan was “Every
intersection is a crosswalk.” He was concerned about the ramifications of that observation.
T.J. Fournier announced that he was seeing an increase of running red lights at the
intersection of Evergreen Way and 4th Ave W, when heading northbound. Particularly, the left-
turn signal when turning from Evergreen Way onto 4 th Ave W. It appeared that the turn signal
was turning red too quickly while cars were in the process of making the turn. Tim Miller said
the City can look at the review clearance intervals. Ed brought up the red light enforcement
cameras as seen in Lynnwood. Ryan stated the City is not pursuing the same kind of
enforcement system.
J.T. mentioned he had heard that Transit would be moving operations to the Lowell
neighborhood. George Baxter stated this was incorrect; Transit was purchasing mill property
south of Everett Station, and would be negotiating the purchase for an operating base.
Victor announced that he was seeing some sidewalk settling and elevation disturbances by
trees through the downtown areas. He stated that some sidewalks were separating and
creation and trip and/or bike hazard. Ryan stated the City would need specific locations, as
there was not a canvassing examination of sidewalks. Tim Miller pointed out that sidewalks
were typically the responsibility of adjacent property owners.
Citizen’s Comments
Bob Strickland congratulated the City on the re-striping effort at Grand Ave to accommodate
the property owners who were concerned with the parking changes resulting from the new
Farmers Market building.
Joe Kunzler praised Sabina Popa for her work with Everett Transit.
Joe expressed that he was seeing the same issues with ideas between people in the TAC
Committee as he was seeing with a similar group he attends in Skagit County.
Victor talked about the possibility of moving the meetings to the Council chambers in order to
record them, if recording was to be a serious consideration.
Engineering Report
The annual pavement overlay work is complete and the City is preparing for next year. Ryan
stated there will be greater federal funding with next year’s work. Ed mentioned that
markings on the road near Harbor View Park on Mukilteo Boulevard are wearing out.
Streetscape Phase II is moving forward. It is a continuation of improvements to Hoyt which
began in 2011. It will replace 2/3 of a block on Hoyt between Wall and Pacific. It is grant
funded and will be going out for bid this Fall.
Funding is in place for next year for the Streetscape Phase III project, which will include
Rucker from Pacific to Everett Avenue. The project is expected to go to bid early 2017. J.T.
asked how the accoutrements were determined. Ryan stated that the design elements were
decided based on the City’s Downtown Streetscape plan which contains design guidelines and
specifications, and that it was a unified design standard.
Victor asked if the Rucker project was going to narrow the driving lanes down to two. Ryan
stated that from Pacific to Hewitt it remains a 5-lane configuration; Hewitt to Everett Ave is a
3-lane. Some discussion ensued regarding the flow of traffic.
Ryan mentioned curb ramp safety improvement projects currently underway. He stated that
there was federal funding through WSDOT for these. Currently, the safety project is a data
driven program based on collision history; yet the City is also required to update ramps to ADA
standards when other work is being done. He stated there are 40 such intersections City-wide
that will be improved on the current project. Victor expressed concern of updating already
existing ramps when certain portions of the City do not have any ramps whatsoever. He
believed putting new ramps in where no ramps currently exist would be a far better idea than
replacing older ramps that are usable, but only miss ADA designs by a slight margin. Ryan
stated that it is a state and federal issue which the City has fought in the past, but has been
unsuccessful in changing.
Police Report
None.
Transit Report
George announced that an active duty driver had passed away earlier in the week, and that
the loss was keenly felt throughout ET. J.T. offered his condolences on the loss.
ET has completed the initial outreach for the North Broadway Transit Improvement project.
George stated it was a good turnout. He stated that there was a committee put together
consisting of City Administration and Cultural Arts to work with citizens on the project. George
thanked Paul Kaftanski for helping bring that committee together. The design of the North
Broadway project is still in its infancy, with engineering design work still ahead.
Victor asked about the overarching vision for the artwork surrounding the North Broadway
project. He stated the change would touch four to five different neighborhoods and if each
neighborhood was going to be represented in the artistry of the design. Sabina stated that ET
is working with cultural arts on the issue, along with the affected neighborhoods. She said the
final design at the bus stops will have a unifying look.
George presented a handout meant to address the questions about ET and how it coordinates
with other agencies. He stated that we do have representation at CT and PSRC. J.T.
appreciated having the handout, as the nature of the relationships had always been a mystery
to him. He stated that it appeared ET played second-fiddle to CT and hoped for a higher
profile at PSRC, perhaps with the Mayor’s assistance. Sabina stated that ET’s presence on
other transit boards has never taken on an appearance of being “less than.” George stated
that the partnership between ET and CT was really good and that CT is very cooperative. Joe
Kunzler stated that he believes that it is better for ET to remain independent.
Ed asked about the SWIFT2 Seaway Transit Center. George stated that the project was still
going through various decisions. He would provide TAC with an update once more information
becomes available.
Agenda Items:
Item 1: ET Results of TAC Meeting Schedule Survey – Tim Miller
There were mixed results between the TAC members and City members to the survey. All
agreed on the third Thursday of the month as a good date. J.T. announced that he did not
participate in the survey, as he recommending the creation of a new stand-alone transit
advisory committee. Paul Kaftanski suggested making adjustments to how the TAC operates
in order to address the issues JT discussed at the charter review process.
J.T. stressed that issues go beyond lack of time. He believed there was reluctance in the
committee to talk about issues related to Everett Transit, and that there was an attempt to
crowd the meetings so as not to discuss ET issues.
Ed proposed to start meetings at 8 a.m. to provide extra time strictly for agenda items.
Considerable discussion ensued about lengthening meetings. A motion to start meetings 15
minutes earlier was seconded and passed, with J.T. and Bob Strickland opposed.
Item 2: Changes in the For-Hire Transportation Industry – Tim Miller
Tim gave a presentation based on work by Katie Rathbun that previously was presented to the
City Council. It focused on the issues between companies like Uber and Lyft versus traditional
taxi cab companies. Companies like Uber are referred to as TNCs (Transportation Network
Company). The differences between TNCs and Taxi companies put regulators in the middle of
what to do. Safety issues were talked about between the two models, and how other cities
are designing regulations (traditional vs. hybrid). A traditional regulatory approach provides a
comprehensive, direct, hands-on regulation of TNCs and Taxis with safety focus. A hybrid
approach focuses on safety that shifts burden of regulatory compliance from a city to the
industry. Scott Bader mentioned that Bellingham and Thurston County just voted on the
hybrid model and recommended that members look into it.
Item 3: ET Smart Bus Technology – Sabina Popa
Tabled to next month.
Bob Strickland requested that all members write down what they thought would make meetings more
nimble and to the point. He also stated that TAC leaders need to be present at the meetings. He
also suggested that if members have operational concerns, they should simply refer them to Tim and
not take time at meetings to discuss them. He also suggested that when members suggest future
addenda items they should simply request the future item and not attempt to discuss it until it comes
forth as an agenda item.
Adjourned at 9:50 a.m.
Next Scheduled Meeting: August 18, 2016 at 8:00AM
Agenda
TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MEETING NOTICE
Thursday, July 21, 2016
8:15 a.m. – 9:45 a.m.
1st Floor, Spada Conference Room
City of Everett Public Works Building
3200 Cedar Street
Refreshments
8:15 – 8:20 WELCOME
8:20 – 8:25 APPROVAL OF MAY & JUNE MINUTES
8:25 – 8:35 ANNOUNCEMENTS & REQUESTS TO ADD AGENDA ITEMS
8:35 – 8:40 CITIZEN COMMENTS
8:40 – 8:50 ENGINEERING REPORT
8:50 – 9:00 POLICE REPORT
9:00– 9:15 TRANSIT REPORT
9:15 – 9:45 AGENDA ITEMS
Item 1: Results of TAC Meeting Schedule Survey – Tim Miller
Item 2: Changes in the For-Hire Transportation Industry – Informational Briefing
- Tim Miller
Item 3: ET Smart Bus Technology – Informational Briefing – Sabina Popa
Next Scheduled Meeting: August 18, 2016
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