City Council
Regular MeetingFredericksburg, VA · August 13, 2019
Minutes
CITY OF FREDERICKSBURG, VIRGINIA HON. MARY KATHERINE GREENLAW, MAYOR
HON. WILLIAM C. WITHERS, JR., VICE -MAYOR, WARD TWO
CITY COUNCIL HON. KERRY P. DEVINE, AT-LARGE
HON. MATTHEW J. KELLY, AT-LARGE
HON. JASON N. GRAHAM, WARD ONE
HON. DR. TIMOTHY P. DUFFY, WARD THREE
Council Chambers, 715 Princess Anne Street HON. CHARLIE L. FRYE, JR., WARD FOUR
Fredericksburg, Virginia 22401
Council Work Session
August 13, 2019
Parks Strategic Plan – Lose Consultants
Architectural Review Board Decision on Slave Auction Block
Board of Zoning Appeals Interview
The Council of the City of Fredericksburg, Virginia held a work session on Tuesday,
August 13, 2019, beginning at 5:30 p.m. in the City Hall, Executive Conference Room.
Council Present. Mayor Mary Katherine Greenlaw Presiding. Vice-Mayor William C.
Withers, Jr., Councilors Kerry P. Devine, Timothy P. Duffy (6:13), Charlie L. Frye, Jr., Jason N.
Graham and Matthew J. Kelly.
Also Present. City Manager Timothy J. Baroody, Assistant City Manager Mark Whitley,
Assistant City Manager Doug Fawcett, City Attorney Kathleen A. Dooley, Community Planning and
Building Services Director Charles Johnston, Director of Parks, Recreation and Special Events Jane
Shelhorse and Clerk of Council Tonya B. Lacey.
Others Present. John Lavender, Lose Design.
Parks Strategic Plan – Lose Consultants. Assistant City Manager Fawcett
introduced Mr. Lavender the Project Manager with Lose Design.
Mr. Lavender presented a PowerPoint presentation and in his presentation he introduced the
company and the team that would be working on the project, what they know, their process,
Community engagement and analysis, facility assessments, agency assessment, implementation, what
they are hearing and the schedule. See Attachment I for more information.
Councilor Devine asked if there were any trends that the City did not have and Mr. Lavender
said he was pleased to see the City had pickle ball. He said trails were a high priority and he did not
see anything specific that the City did not have except for a recreation center.
Councilor Kelly asked what the public partnership would look like and Mr. Lavender
explained that he would like to see where the opportunities exist. He said there could be
partnerships with the University of Mary Washington and the new baseball field. He said they look
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at where the opportunities exists and he said they tend to arise as they do the focus groups and the
interviews. He said the school system was a great opportunity and the City already works with the
schools. He said they will also identify grant opportunities.
Mayor Greenlaw asked whether it was typical to charge people that live outside the City
more for participation in City events because 50 percent of the participants were from other
localities. Mr. Lavender said it was common to charge them more for participating.
Vice-Mayor Withers asked if the City should charge people who use the City parks that are
not citizens and Mr. Lavender said it would be hard to do unless there was a park attendant.
Councilor Kelly asked Mr. Lavender if they looked at the stress that would be put on parks
at buildout for the City. Mr. Lavender said the population would eventually put stress on the system
but he said that’s when the City may want to look at specializing in specific things such as events.
Mr. Kelly said he would like to know if the City should charge to help with maintenance of the parks
or leave things as they are.
Assistant City Manager Fawcett explained that one of the challenges with Old Mill Park was
the parking. He said when the parking fills up it spills over into the neighborhood and they want to
prevent that. Councilor Graham asked if the Parking Committee could look into that and Mr.
Fawcett said they could.
Councilor Frye stated that the City does need a recreation center because it was hard when
you have to borrow facilities. He suggested financing it with AAU basketball and soccer. He said a
lot of money was generated with AAU tournaments. Ms. Shelhorse said they usually get overflow
from Spotsylvania for the AAU tournaments but the challenge they have is that the parks do not
have lights.
Architectural Review Board (ARB) Decision on Slave Auction Block. City
Attorney Dooley explained that the ARB held a public hearing, heard public comment on the Slave
Auction Block and the chair read a statement and said he did not think the ARB had the authority to
vote on the relocation because Council had already made the decision to remove the block.
Therefore the ARB did not take any action but the relocation of the block requires a Certificate of
Appropriateness (COA) from the ARB. Ms. Dooley explained that the ARB has a role to play in the
decision and it is important to preserve that role. Staff suggest bringing the item back to the ARB
and making a revised recommendation to them. She said they could bring the ARB a formal action
that they can adopt. Staff had included four recommendations for them to consider: involving
Department of Historic Resources as a consulting body, having a second public hearing for the
permanent installations that takes place of the block, Ms. Schwartz also recommended they
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designate a liaison to the Memorials Advisory Commission as it works on the assignment given by
Council. Ms. Dooley said she would like to get it back before the ARB to give them another
opportunity to engage in the process and to get a formal action from them, recognizing this
application has extraordinary aspects to it.
Councilor Kelly said the ARB was hesitant on appointing someone to the Memorials
Advisory Commission and they said they would not vote on the other three options presented by
staff because the Council had already acted. He said the Council put the ARB in an untenable
position because in other projects there was a plan for the ARB to look at, with the slave auction
block there was no plan for them to review. Mayor Greenlaw refuted that there was no plan.
Vice-Mayor Withers asked what would happen if the ARB did not act within the 90 days.
Ms. Dooley said it would come to the City Council and the Council will act without the advice of the
ARB. Staff suggest sending it back and asking the ARB to preserve their role and make a
recommendation to the Council.
Councilor Graham said he saw this as two decisions on whether to keep it or remove the
block from its current location and secondly how to display it. He asked if the decision could be
framed around the display or the permanent solution of the block. Ms. Dooley explained that the
staff noted that the ARB could include a condition saying preserve the context, so that people would
understand.
Mr. Baroody said staff was working on a plan with recommendation, this was done in
collaboration with Fredericksburg Area Museum (FAM). He said it was a draft plan.
Councilor Frye said it was not fair to say there was no plan, the plan was to send it to FAM.
He said we want ARB input.
Councilor Devine said she does not want to wait the 90 days unless the ARB say that they
do not want to participate.
Mayor said she would like to send it back to them and ask them to give their input and put
some conditions on it.
Councilor Kelly asked why the Council wouldn’t come up with the plan first then send it to
the ARB for action because their charge was to maintain and protect the historic character of the
downtown and to remove the block was to take it out of its context and removing it from the
public’s view.
Ms. Dooley said she does not see that the ARB has the authority to grant or deny a
certificate of appropriateness for FAM’s exhibit. She said this was something the City was going to
have to work with FAM on.
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Councilor Kelly had a lengthy but contentious discussion on the process and why the project
was moving forward before the plan is finalized.
Mayor Greenlaw asked the staff if this could be brought back at the next meeting for
discussion. Councilor Devine said that was fine but she wanted someone to reach out to the ARB
and tell them the Council needs them to participate in this process.
Board of Zoning Appeals Interview.
Stephen Eubanks – when asked what his thought process would be on a case with a
relatively small lot that doesn’t meet requirements Mr. Eubanks said he would look at the context
whether it was a special exception or a variance. Assuming it was a variance he would look at what
they wanted to deviate from and whether it was something that was in place when the ordinance was
adopted or did the applicant bring it on themselves. He explained that he would look at several
factors. Mr. Eubanks was asked when there is a variance was it more important to keep the project
in line with what was currently in place or what would be the best possible use at that time and Mr.
Eubanks said if it’s not going to be in line what is the best possible use so that is not disruptive to
what is around it. He said these were things that must be balanced when making a decision.
Mr. Eubanks said he was an Assistant Commonwealth Attorney but for 21 years prior he
was in general practice and he did criminal defense, real estate, domestic relations and his firm
served as the interim County Attorney for Amherst County. Mr. Eubanks said he was looking for
ways to get involved so he applied to serve on the BZA. He said he intended to be in the City for a
long time.
Adjournment. There being no further business to come before the Council at this time.
Mayor Greenlaw declared the session officially adjourned at 7:00 p.m.
_Tonya B. Lacey _______
Tonya B. Lacey
Clerk of Council
City of Fredericksburg
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