City Council
Regular MeetingFredericksburg, VA · September 14, 2021
Minutes
CITY OF FREDERICKSBURG, VIRGINIA HON. MARY KATHERINE GREENLAW, MAYOR
HON. CHARLIE L. FRYE, JR., VICE -MAYOR, WARD FOUR
CITY COUNCIL HON. KERRY P. DEVINE, AT-LARGE
HON. MATTHEW J. KELLY, AT-LARGE
HON. JASON N. GRAHAM, WARD ONE
HON. WILLIAM C. WITHERS, JR., WARD TWO
Council Chambers, 715 Princess Anne Street HON. DR. TIMOTHY P. DUFFY, WARD THREE
Fredericksburg, Virginia 22401
Joint City Council/School Board Work Session
September 14, 2021
New School Update
Career and Technical Education Update
The Council of the City of Fredericksburg, Virginia held a joint work session on
Tuesday, September 14, 2021, beginning at 5:30 p.m.at the Walker-Grant Center, School Board
Meeting Room, 210 Ferdinand Street, Fredericksburg, VA 22401.
Council Present. Mayor Mary Katherine Greenlaw, Presiding. Vice-Mayor Charlie L.
Frye, Jr. Councilors Kerry P. Devine, Timothy P. Duffy, Jason N. Graham, Matthew J. Kelly and
William C. Withers, Jr.
School Board Present. Jarvis Bailey, Chair. Kathleen Pomeroy, Vice-Chair, Jennifer
Boyd, Jannan Holmes, Malvina Kay, Elizabeth Rehm.
Also Present. City Manager Timothy J. Baroody, Assistant City Manager Mark
Whitley, City Attorney Kathleen Dooley, Economic Development Director Bill Freehling,
Assistant Director of Tourism M.C. Moncure, Superintendent Marceline Catlett, Deputy
Superintendent Matthew Eberhardt, Chief Academic Officer Lori Bridi, Director of Finance
Jennifer Brody, Chief Operations/Information Officer Michael George, Director of Operations
Don Upperco, Assistant to the Superintendent/Clerk of the Board Angela Chance and Clerk of
Council Tonya B. Lacey.
Others Present. President of Germanna Community College Dr. Janet Gullickson.
New School Update.
Enrollment. Dr. Eberhardt reviewed the student enrollment for 2021/2022 school year to
date. Dr. Eberhardt reported there were 122 students in Preschool, 924 in Hugh Mercer, 800 at
Lafayette Upper Elementary, 785 at Walker Grant and 1038 at James Monroe with a total of
3,669 students. This was an increase of 72 in elementary, decrease of 12 students in Middle
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School and an increase of 78 at the high school. He said this number would take a dip in the
next few weeks and there would be a slow increase as the year goes on. See Attachment I for
more information.
Councilor Withers asked if the additional students were from additional units being
added or from people moving from outside the City into the City. Dr. Eberhardt said he was not
sure because he did not have those numbers.
Councilor Kelly said he would like a better metric for measuring students in newly built
units. Chairman Bailey said he would also like to see better metrics because those number
impact the schools.
Councilor Duffy disclosed that he was an employee of the Fredericksburg City Schools but
he was able to participate fairly, objectively and in the public interests.
Vice-Mayor Frye disclosed that his spouse was an employee of the Fredericksburg City
Schools but he was able to participate fairly, objectively and in the public interests.
Projections. Mr. Whitley reviewed the updated enrollment projections through School
Year 2030. See Attachment II.
Councilor Kelly said he would like to see the model that was used to get these numbers
because there were significant variances in the numbers. Councilor Graham suggested that the
big discrepancy in Crabtree’s number was that they assumed that last year’s kindergarten
numbers were going to maintain the same. Dr. Catlett said over the year’s there have been
increases and they did not know whether it was recession or other causes for those increases.
New Middle School. Ms. Boyd updated the Council on why the school board
recommended a new middle school instead of a new elementary schools. She said a new
middle school would help with the middle school overcrowding and the current middle school
would be used for a third elementary school to help alleviate crowding in the elementary
schools. Ms. Boyd said they thought it would be more cost effective and the responsible thing
to do would be to build a new middle school. Vice-Chair Ms. Pomeroy said this was a way to
repurpose a building that they already have.
Councilor Withers explained that it was not a matter of whether a school was needed it
was a matter of timing because the City have needs.
Councilor Kelly asked if Walker-Grant had been considered being used as a Workforce
Development location. He said Workforce Development was important and could turn into a
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regional program. Ms. Boyd said they had not considered that and they would still need a
location for a third elementary school to help alleviate crowding.
Dr. Cattlet said it was important to have a new elementary school because they could not
properly educate the student with the crowding they have at the elementary level. Ms. Boyd
said the priority has always been to have a third elementary school.
Dr. Catlett said due to COVID there were funds that the schools may be able to use to
renovate Walker-Grant into an elementary school.
Councilor Devine expressed her concern that the cost to build a middle school was
almost doubled the cost to build an elementary school. Ms. Boyd said she believed the cost
were much closer than doubled. She said she would like to see how to make both elementary
and the CTE program work. She did not want to lose one because the cost was too much for the
other.
Councilor Kelly said capital project costs were not much different but he reminded them
that he operational cost would be significant. He said majority of any new money coming into
the City would be shifted to schools and that was a lot because the City had so many other
deferred capital projects. Councilor Kelly also asked if there were shared services that the City
and schools could use to generate some savings.
Councilor Kelly asked what was the schools going to do to address issues that were
challenging the school system such as English as a second language, free lunch, special
education, etc.
Career and Technical Education Update. Mr. Baroody share that he, the City
Council and the School Board had toured the Mary Washington Healthcare facility at 2300 Fall
Hill Avenue as a possible CTE site but he was informed that was no longer an option because
the hospital was planning to use the entire facility for their use. He said Dr. Catlett, Dr.
Gullickson of Germanna and himself had been discussing a possible partnership. Mr. Baroody
was looking for some guidance from the School Board and City Council as to whether they
should continue discussions.
Dr. Gullickson said it was clear that they could not keep up with workforce demands
because the student who may be successful in the Career Technical Educational area were not
being reached. She said if the School, the Council, and Germanna work together they could
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better meet that need. She said this was a community problem and she could not wait to do
this.
New School Update. Dr. Eberhardt reviewed the timeline for the construction of a
middle school which the schools would like to have that built within three years. He said using
PPEA the process could be accelerated because some of the processes could be layered. He
said they decided to start with a Request for Qualification (RFQ), then a Request for Proposal
(RFP) which moves into detailed preliminary design and they plan to present that design to City
Council in December. Three firms were selected and they were given an RFP, they returned
their conceptual proposals and best guest estimates and they would be interviewed on
September 22. Once the Committee selected a firm it would go to the School Board for
approval then negotiations would begin on the Interim Agreement. After the approval of the
interim agreement they would begin the detailed preliminary design which would allow a much
more detailed cost, during that time they plan to hold community outbreak sessions to see
what the community would like to see in the building. He said this would also be the time to
get the cost limits out there. He said then this would be brought back to Council so they can
see what it looks like and at that time a decision would be made as to whether to move forward
with the Comprehensive Agreement. This agreement would get the ball rolling to have the
school built by June 2024.
Dr. Duffy asked if the elementary schools would be three kindergartens through fifth
grade schools and Ms. Boyd said they had not made that decision yet. Councilor Duffy said he
appreciated the work that had been done and for the schools recognizing that something
needed to be done.
Adjournment. There being no further business to come before the Council at this
time. Mayor Greenlaw declared the session officially adjourned at 6:22 p.m.
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Tonya B. Lacey, MMC
Clerk of Council
City of Fredericksburg
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