City Council
Regular MeetingFredericksburg, VA · March 24, 2022
Minutes
Public Hearing 03/24/22
HON. MARY KATHERINE GREENLAW, MAYOR
CITY OF FREDERICKSBURG, VIRGINIA HON. CHARLIE L. FRYE, JR., VICE -MAYOR, WARD FOUR
HON. KERRY P. DEVINE, AT-LARGE
CITY COUNCIL HON. MATTHEW J. KELLY, AT-LARGE
HON. JASON N. GRAHAM, WARD ONE
HON. JONATHAN A. GERLACH, WARD TWO
HON. DR. TIMOTHY P. DUFFY, WARD THREE
Council Chambers, 715 Princess Anne Street
Fredericksburg, Virginia 22401
March 24, 2022
The Council of the City of Fredericksburg, Virginia, held a special joint public
hearing with the School Board on Thursday, March 24, 2022, beginning at 7:00 p.m. at
James Monroe High School in the auditorium.
City Council Present. Mayor Mary Katherine Greenlaw. Vice-Mayor Charlie L.
Frye, Jr., Council members Kerry P. Devine, Dr. Timothy P. Duffy, Jonathan A. Gerlach,
Jason N. Graham, and Matthew J. Kelly.
School Board Present. Chair of the Board Kathleen Pomeroy. Vice-Chair
Malvina Rollins Kay, School Board Members Jarvis Bailey, Jennifer Boyd, Jannan Holmes
and Matt Rowe.
Others Present. City Manager Timothy J. Baroody, Assistant City Manager
Mark Whitley, City Attorney Kathleen Dooley, and Clerk of Council Tonya B. Lacey.
Also Present. Superintendent Dr. Marceline Catlett, Deputy Superintendent
Dr. Matthew Eberhardt, Steven Halsey from Mosely Architect, and Kevin Rotty, the
City’s Financial Advisor with PFM.
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Opening Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance. Council was led in prayer by
School Board Member Jarvis Bailey followed by the Pledge of Allegiance led by Councilor
Jason N. Graham.
Disclosure. Councilor Duffy disclosed that he was an employee of the
Fredericksburg City Schools but he was able to participate in the transaction fairly,
objectively and in the public interest.
Purpose. Assistant City Manager Whitley, explained the purpose of the
meeting was to give a general overview of the project, overview of the Interim
Agreement to construct a new school on City property in the Idlewild neighborhood and
discuss the finances. He also reviewed the order of the meeting and he introduced each
of the presenters: Assistant Superintendent Dr. Matthew Eberhardt, Mosely Architect
Steven Halsey, City Attorney Kathleen Dooley and Financial Advisor Kevin Rotty.
General Overview of the Project (D22-93). Dr. Eberhardt presented a
PowerPoint and he discussed the process they utilized for this project called the Public-
Private Education Facilities and Infrastructure Act (PPEA), the sites reviewed (Idlewild,
Dixon Park, land between Lafayette and Walker-Grant Schools and adjacent to Hugh
Mercer), needs of the middle school, target opening of August 2024 and the breakdown
of the students between the 3 elementary schools. See D22-93 for more information.
The second half of the presentation was given by Mr. Halsey from Mosely
Architects. Mr. Halsey discussed the Feasibility Study of the 2300 Fall Hill building. He
talked about the purpose of the study, site size and traffic and the investigation of
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potential uses. Those uses included: Secondary School, Primary School, Office Use,
Career and Technical Education/Classroom, combined use, middle school, senior living,
multi-family and Idlewild Site.
Overview of Interim Agreement (D22-94). City Attorney Dooley
presented a PowerPoint discussing the Basic Concepts of the PPEA, Interim Agreement -
Scope of Work, Interim Agreement - Process, Interim Agreement - Time and Money, the
Next Steps and Staff Recommendation.
Financial Context (D22-95). Mr. Whitley presented a PowerPoint and he
discussed the Cost of the Project, Impact on the Fiscal Year 2023 Budget and Beyond,
the Current Debt Service Schedule – General Fund and General Fund – Debt Service
after New Debt.
Mr. Rotty, the City’s financial advisor with PFM, said while the cost of the
projects are higher than the City would like but they are essential core governmental
functions. He said although there are significant costs doing these projects there was
significant costs to not doing them such as aging infrastructure and deferred
maintenance. Mr. Rotty said from a financial forecast of higher interest rates and
escalating construction costs, he suggests doing the projects sooner was better than
later.
He said the City had the capacity to issue the debt and stay within its financial
policies. The projects would take up a significant amount of the City’s future debt
capacity but the general fund debt portfolio would comprise of two generational
projects, the courthouse and the new middle school.
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The City’s bond rating remains strong, AA+ by Fitch, S&P and Aa2 by Moody’s.
Mr. Rotty said it was thought that these ratings would be reaffirmed because these
were essential governmental projects and the City has a reasonable plan to pay the debt
service. He said there were four components to the bond rating: the economy, the
management, the finances and the debt. Mr. Rotty said the City was performing
extremely well in the economy, the management’s thoughtful approach, city staff has
demonstrated that the debt was manageable. He said he regularly talks with the rating
agencies and there was an annual surveillance and he’s been hinting that these projects
were coming and the rating agency visited the city before the pandemic and were
favorably impressed.
Mr. Rotty said they were preparing for a couple of needs such as the stormwater
needs and the new fire station. He said they were planning for a General Obligation
bond sale this summer, in case the Council decided to move forward with the project he
wanted to be sure the City was in a good position to borrow and enter into a
comprehensive agreement.
Mr. Rotty mentioned there were also a couple of General Assembly school
construction bills that he would be watching closely and could lower the costs of bonds
with grant funding.
Finally, he touched on the current interest rate stating that the Federal Reserve
had been trying to fight inflation by raising the short term borrowing rate and it has had
a rippling effect on the market and rates had gone up significantly in the last few
months. He said the City’s interest rate borrowing costs had inclined about one percent
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and it was expected to increase for the foreseeable future, but the city was coming off
an all-time low interest rate. With that said he said the borrowing cost would be around
three percent and the sooner the Council makes a decision, the better, so that it could
lock in an interest rate.
Notice of Public Hearings (D22-96 thru D22-98). The Clerk read the
notice of the public hearing as it appeared in the local newspaper, the purpose being to
solicit citizen input.
Disclosure. Vice-Mayor Frye disclosed that his spouse was an employee of the
Fredericksburg City Schools but he was able to participate in the transaction fairly,
objectively and in the public interest.
Catie Finlayson, 1105 Great Oaks Lane, has two children in school and she has
pushed for the last couple years for a sustainable long term fix to the City’s
overcrowding issue. She stated that after additional research it was determined that
the City’s overcrowding was growing. This area has been designated as the fastest
growing for the past five year and for this reasons she strongly encouraged the Council
to approve and Interim Agreement between the Fredericksburg City Public Schools and
First Choice, LLC to allow the construction of a new middle school. She was also in
agreement of using the ESSER funds for the renovation of the current middle school for
an elementary school.
Emily Taylor, 437 Hanson Avenue, thanked the City Council and the School
Board for working together to solve the capacity issues. She said building a new middle
school and using the ESSER funds to renovating the current middle school for an
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elementary school made sense. She said she was an educator and she has seen the
benefits a smaller school makes. She noted that when elementary schools are too large
they negatively impact students in several areas including lower attendance, increased
discipline problems and lower student achievement. She noted that having adequate
space for students to learn was essential. She encouraged the City Council to support
the Interim Agreement.
Leah Courtnage (D22-99), 407 Fauquier Street, thanked the City Council and the
School Board for having the public hearing and for the transparency in the process. She
encouraged the Council to vote for the Interim Agreement so that the schools would not
lose the millions of dollars they were eligible for. See D22-99 for more information.
Becky Slominski, 701 Hilltop Lane, she has been an educator at Walker-Grant
since 1991 and she talked about how crowded the hallways were. She said they have
outgrown the building on many levels. Ms. Slominski stated that the technology was
outdated for a middle school. The classrooms are awkward size and there was no way
to move the students throughout the building. She said the school would be perfect for
an elementary school and the kids needed a modern middle school.
Thomas Hayden, 428 Morningside Drive, an educator in Fredericksburg City
Schools for eleven years. He spoke of how crowded Hugh Mercer was and he said it
would be great to have the third middle school. He spoke of how difficult it was to
collaborate with other teachers. He also spoke of how much of an opportunity it would
be to have workforce development in the schools. He asked the Council to approve the
Interim Agreement quickly.
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Kimberly Bastress (D22-100), 1001 Kenmore Avenue, asked the Council to vote
on the Interim Agreement so that the federal funds would not be jeopardized. She said
she had been following the conversations since December because she has three kids in
the City school system. See D22-100 for more information.
Brian Stelmok, 1117 Wright Court, stated that originally he was hesitant about
building a new school versus expanding the existing schools, but he said it was
abundantly clear there was a need to build a new school. He supports building the
school in Idlewild. He expressed his concern with how it would be paid for based on the
debt service. Mr. Stelmok said he hoped the Council would consider the land swap with
Mary Washington Healthcare. He said the City would have to look really hard at
opportunities so that it would not have to increase the tax rate too high.
Michelle Chew, 1007 Landrem’s Retreat, thanked the Council and School Board
and she spoke in support of building a middle school in Idlewild. She said a middle
school in a neighborhood was ideal. She was not in support of an office building in the
same space as the school.
Holly Clark, 1504 Winchester Street, stated that she has three small children and
they would all be in Hugh Mercer in the Fall. She supports moving forward with the
Interim Agreement. She spoke of the economy and the interest rate and how this was
the perfect time to move on building the school. Ms. Clark said majority of the
properties in the City were rentals and she owns several rental properties in the City and
she said she was willing to pay an increased real estate tax rate because it would not
affect the renters.
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Christina Mitchell, 1808 Washington Avenue, stated that in addition to being a
resident she was an educator for the City schools, she’s an advocate for students and
she is a parent of City school students. She spoke of how crowded Hugh Mercer was
and how she had to share a room to test her small group of students. She also spoke of
how her daughter, who is in middle school, carries all of her books for class because the
halls are so crowded she is worried she will be late for class. She said the City’s Schools
moto is “Excellence in Education” but she said this is not so, with all the overcrowding
issues and the problems that come with it. She said the time was now for a new school
and she asked the Council to please vote for the Interim Agreement.
Hamilton Palmer, 1500 Caroline Street, said there needed to be discussion on
several things before agreeing to build a new school. He said the $57 million should be
discussed. He said he was concerned about the transient attendance at the schools. He
wanted to know if the trends in attendance were still valid. Mr. Palmer said the $3.7
million in design fees and the $1.3 million of that he would like to see spent on
rewarding teachers for the good job they are doing. He talked about how the City
schools rank in the bottom percentile in Virginia. He did not agree that a new school
would fix a failing school system. Mr. Palmer said the schools need to spend the money
educating the students so they can be the best educated students and workforce in
Virginia before investing in building a new school.
Billy Hays, 1105 Walker Drive, serves as the Vice-President of the Village of
Idlewild Homeowners Association, and he thanked the City Council for the great
governance he has experienced the 17 years he has lived in the City. He said Idlewild
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had 2,000 or more residents that live in 785 homes. He asked the Council to keep in
mind the character of Idlewild and the impacts on the character of Idlewild.
Jessica Kujala, 1508 Winchester Street, stated that she and her husband has
three kids who would be attending city schools. She expressed their support for the
Interim Agreement. She felt there had been ample opportunity for citizens to give
feedback. She said thriving public schools build the foundation from which the
community stands. She said the environment which the children spend hours each day
was important. Ms. Kujala noted that the noise level in an overcrowded school was
unbearable and it could impact students with disabilities.
James Chew, 1007 Landrem’s Retreat, Treasurer for Idlewild Homeowners
Association, he said the Board appreciates the school and they know the value of good
schools. He said they do good for communities and he urged the Council to act now.
Gin Schaffer (D22-100.1), 804 Mortimer Avenue, spoke in support of building a
new middle school in Idlewild and renovating Walker-Grant Middle school for a third
elementary. She asked Council to make the schools a priority, she did not want to risk
the schools losing available resources. See D22-100.1 for more information.
Andy Wolfenbarger (D22-101), 1324 Walker Drive, spoke in support of the
middle school being built in Idlewild but not the Mary Washington Healthcare offices.
He said he did not think there was sufficient space nor would it be appropriate for the
office building. See D22-101 for more information.
Kim McClellan (D22-102), 1509 Idlewild Boulevard, expressed concerns about
the impact on the quality of life in Idlewild with the combo school/medical office
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building. She was concerned with the traffic and congestion that an office building
would bring to the neighborhood and she asked the City to conduct some research on
the potential for increased traffic so the neighborhood would fully understand the
impact. See D22-102 for more information.
Lori Fowlkes (D22-103), 1003 Hoke Lane, stated that she had been eagerly
anticipating the new school that was to be built behind her home, but she was against
the office building locating there. She suggested the city offer Mary Washington
Healthcare an incentive to upcycle and existing abandoned building within the city. See
D22-103 for more information.
Annemarie Hague (D22-104), 1913 Idlewild Boulevard, presented four questions
to the Council and they were as follows: What are the specific steps being taken with
respect to planning for the impact of the school on Idlewild Village traffic? Shouldn't
the goal for traffic correction be to improve the already disconcerting traffic situation in
Idlewild Village, specifically the large volume of cut-through traffic? What alternative
access to the school campus is being considered other than Gateway Blvd? What
financial commitments is the city prepared to make for traffic-related improvements
(e.g., signals, added lanes, turn lanes) and mitigation measures such as signage? See
D22-104 for more information.
Resolution 22-19, Approved, Approving an Interim Agreement between the
Fredericksburg City School Board and First Choice Public-Private Partners, LLC for the
Design of a New Middle School (D22-96 thru D22-98). Councilor Graham made a
motion approving Resolution 22-19, approving an Interim Agreement between the
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Fredericksburg City School Board and First Choice Public-Private Partners, LLC for the
design of a new middle school; motion was seconded by Councilor Devine.
School Board Member Kay noted an apparent typo in the agreement on Page 10,
sentence numbered 2 which references a single neighborhood. She thought it should
be plural neighborhoods. City Attorney Dooley agreed.
Mayor Greenlaw asked for clarification on the scope for one of the speakers and
whether the scope was only for the school. Ms. Dooley said it was for both, she
explained the site of the school would be on three parcels of land but they would need
to figure out how the parcels would be configured and where the school would fit. She
said the parties wanted to see the site layout in order to preserve viable acreage for
other potential uses as determined by the City Council. Ms. Dooley explained that the
Interim Agreement did not state what other potential uses could go on the remainder of
the site.
Councilor Duffy stated he was in support of the motion because the agreement
would get the information that was needed in order to find a plan to build a school. He
thanked the School Board for their work. He noted that he understood the needs from
being in the schools. He said he endorses this with sensitivity knowing the impact it
would have on the citizens.
Councilor Kelly said he agrees that this has been a long ride and he discussed
what people stated they wanted at the last public meeting in January 2020. He said he’s
been asking questions since then and the decision to build a middle school happened
March of 2021 and some of the same questions are still being asked. He said there are
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challenges in the City schools that have nothing to do with what was being taught such
as economics, social, cultural and he wanted to know how those would be dealt with.
He said in order for this to be successful these questions needed to be answered.
Councilor Kelly discussed all the impacts this would have from the city having the lowest
median income in the area to cost of living in the City.
Councilor Gerlach stated that he was in support because if there was further
delay it would put the ESSER funding at greater risk and that would be fiscally
irresponsible, he appreciated the comments given, and he explained there would be
opportunity for more public comment, and he said it is important to lock in the interest
rate.
School Board Member Boyd addressed some of the comments made by
Councilor Kelly stating that many of them related to the performance of the City public
schools. She invited him to review several of the last few school board meetings and
she also invited him to continue to listen as there has been numerous presentations and
discussion on what they are doing to address many of the issues. She stated that the
motion was to proceed with the Interim Agreement which would give the additional
information and engage the community more. Ms. Boyd said delaying the vote would
put the schools in a critical position by putting funds at risk and going forward provides
additional information. She also stated that a number of the issues that were
mentioned at the January 2020 meeting that Councilor Kelly spoke of had been
addressed through the joint ECE process.
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Ms. Boyd said the success of the schools in the future is contingent on the
environment that the students are in. It was necessary to have the environment and
space to have the space for learning and she noted that it was critical in the elementary
age.
Vice-Mayor Frye said tax increases was a concern for him in the future because
he did not want that to fall on the shoulders of those renting. He was excited that there
was a career and technical component in the conversations starting at the middle school
level.
Vice-Mayor Frye stated there had been people speaking negatively about the
students and he wanted those people to know that these kids have things going on and
no one know what those kids are going through. He thanked the educators for the work
they do as well as the School Board. He said he was in support of the Interim
Agreement because this would allow the Council to get some of the answers it needed.
School Board Member Rowe said they have been talking for months about the
need to use the ESSER funds but the newest concern was locking in the interest rate. He
said the interest rate was rising quickly and this could save the taxpayers thousands of
dollars. He thanked the residents of Idlewild coming out and he said he supported the
school going into Idlewild because it would pull the different communities in the City
together.
Councilor Devine thanked everyone for coming out and speaking. She was in
support of the Interim Agreement because this would be the next step forward to
finding out the cost of the school. She said she had concerns but the biggest question
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she had was where they were going to house the growing population and now they
know, it will be a middle school. She spoke of the needed projects in the City such as
the wastewater treatment plant and the need of a new fire station. She said these costs
were a big concern for everyone. She said she did not feel they had delayed anything,
they were doing their homework and she looks forward to a new facility for the
students.
School Board Member Bailey stated that Fredericksburg was a great community
and they have an opportunity to do great things. He spoke of how the City Council and
the School Board collaborate and he said the process was one to marvel. Mr. Bailey said
the time was now to take the next step. He said he trusts the process and he supports
the Interim Agreement.
Councilor Kelly stated that he needed to know what the costs were and what the
issues were and what resources were needed. He said he needed to know so that he
could answer these questions for the public.
School Board Member Kay said the issues the schools face has been there year
after year and they were not able to wrap everything up in a package and give answers
because the educators, administrators find a way to get the work done. She noted that
the budget they need to get things done is cut year after year but they get the work
done and they would not penalize their educators. She said she looks forward to
collaborating to get things done.
Mayor Greenlaw thanked the School Board and staff for the collaborative
efforts. Mayor Greenlaw addressed the comments that Councilor Kelly made about
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programs and she said the buildings hold the programs and the design was organic to
the programs it would hold.
Ms. Holmes reiterated what some of the teacher’s stated that they have trouble
doing some of the programming because they don’t have the room. She said it was
hard to do the programing if they do not have the space to do it.
Councilor Graham thanked everyone for coming out and he said they were
making great progress. He was looking forward to discussing the schools budget.
School Board Member Boyd said every month that progress was delayed the cost
of supplies and building material was going up significantly. She said operational costs
would need to be discussed and she said they are currently operating a middle school so
they already have operational costs for middle school. She also noted that the third
elementary school would consist of a third of the teachers and students and that cost
was already being spent.
The motion passed by the following recorded votes. Ayes (6). Councilors
Greenlaw, Frye, Devine, Duffy, Gerlach and Graham. Nays (1). Councilor Kelly.
School Chair Pomeroy stated that this had been a long process and she thanked
Dr. Eberhardt and Mr. Whitley for their work and for guiding them through the
enrollment and capacity components. She said it was great that they could collaborate
with the Council and work so well together.
School Board member Boyd mad a motion to approve the Interim Agreement
between the School Board and First Choice Public Private Partners for the construction
of a new middle school and authorize the School Superintendent to sign the Interim
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Agreement; motion was seconded by Ms. Holmes and passed by the following recorded
votes. Ayes (6). Councilors Bailey, Boyd, Holmes, Kay, Rowe and Pomeroy. Nays (0).
Adjourned. There being no more speakers to come before the Council and
School Board at this time, Mayor Greenlaw and Chair Pomeroy declared the hearing
officially adjourned at 9:37 p.m.
Mary Katherine Greenlaw
Mary Katherine Greenlaw, Mayor
Tonya B. Lacey
Tonya B. Lacey, Clerk of Council, MMC
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