Historic Preservation Commission
Regular MeetingFresno, CA · December 17, 2018
Minutes
City of Fresno
City Hall
2600 Fresno Street
Fresno, CA 93721
Meeting Minutes - Final
Monday, December 17, 2018
6:00 PM
Regular Meeting
Fresno City Hall, Second Floor
Room 2165N (Conference Room A)
Historic Preservation Commission
Chair Patrick Boyd
Vice Chair Jason Hatwig, LEED, AP, BD+C
Commissioners:
Robin Goldbeck; Paul Halajian, AIA; Ron McNary;
C. Kristina Roper, M.A.; Don Simmons, Ph.D.
Staff:
Daniel Zack, AICP Assistant Director; Laura van Onna, Historic
Preservation Specialist; Amber Piona, Planner II, Recording Secretary;
John Hastrup, Deputy City Attorney II
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I. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order by Chair Patrick Boyd at 6:00 PM.
Present 4 - Chair Patrick Boyd, Vice Chair Jason Hatwig, Commissioner
Robin Goldbeck, and Commissioner C. Kristina Roper
Absent 3 - Commissioner Don Simmons, Commissioner Ron McNary,
and Commissioner Paul Halajian
II. APPROVE MEETING MINUTES
A. ID18-1587 Approve Minutes for November 26, 2018.
Attachments: HPC_Minutes_Nov_26_2018
The minutes for November 26, 2018 were approved 4-0 with a motion by
Commissioner Hatwig and a second by Commissioner Roper.
III. APPROVE AGENDA
The agenda with was approved 4-0 with a motion by Commissioner
Goldbeck and a second by Commissioner Roper.
IV. CONSENT CALENDAR
None.
V. CONTINUED MATTERS
None.
VI. COMMISSION ITEMS
A. ID18-1588 CONSIDER AND MAKE FINDINGS ON THE APPLICATION BY
THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO INSTALL FRONT YARD
FENCING AT THE WHARTON HOME (CONTRIBUTOR TO
PORTER TRACT HISTORIC DISTRICT) LOCATED AT 1021 E
WELDON AVENUE PURSUANT TO FMC 12-1606(a)(2) and
12-1618(h)(1).
Attachments: Porter Tract - Wharton Home App Attachments
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Historic Preservation Specialist Laura Groves van Onna presented the staff
report on the application by the property owners to install front yard fencing
at the Wharton Home, 1021 E Weldon Ave, a contributor to the Porter Tract
Historic District. Staff noted that although the subject request does not
normally require a permit, because the project proposal is or could be a
substantial alteration to a historic resource, it requires review by the
Commission. The applicant is proposing a redwood picket fence, 3 ft. fence
on three sides of the property set back three feet from the front property line.
Primary concerns for staff are the main elevation and its relationship to
neighboring contributing resources in the district, as they are the most
prominent character defining issue of the historic resource. The fence as
proposed meets the Development Code; the primary concern is the historic
compatibility. Two properties in the Porter Tract Historic District have
fences. The Porter Tract Historic District does not have a conservation plan
and front yard fencing projects are reviewed on a discretionary basis. In
accordance with standards the Secretary of the Interior’s Standards for
Rehabilitation of Historic Properties, staff finds the project would not destroy
historic materials, features and spatial relationships or cause irreparable
harm if removed in the future and proposed new work differentiated from old
and compatible with the historic materials, features, size and scape,
therefore staff recommends approval with conditions.
Commissioner Robin Goldbeck: Did they consider any other fence design?
Historic Preservation Specialist Laura Groves van Onna: Yes, the initial
proposal from the applicant included a chicken wire fencing framed by wood
was originally proposed, but this fencing type is not permitted by the
Development Code.
Commissioner Patrick Boyd: Will they be doing any landscaping in and
around the fencing?
Groves van Onna: Between the fencing and the sidewalk. If I recall from
discussion with them they had talked about it, we can add that as a
stipulation if you would like.
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Commissioner Jason Hatwig: Sure, at least shrubbery up to 18 inches.
Boyd: They are going to have to. Whenever you do a landscape project like
this you’re going down a slippery slope. So there are irrigation heads
spraying to the inside of the turf and another set spraying to the outside of
the turf which is how you get coverage. If you put a fence down the middle of
it, you’re going to block the irrigation spraying from top to bottom.
Groves van Onna: I recall hearing of landscaping, but it was not included in
the official proposal. It can be a stipulation.
Boyd: We want these people’s project to succeed; it may not be
condition-worthy, but if they want their fence to succeed, they are going to
need landscaping.
Deputy City Attorney John Hastrup: 3 foot set-back.
Boyd: I love that they’re doing a setback.
Groves van Onna: I think that that was their intention and they failed to
include in their project submittal.
Boyd: It will be set back from the driveway, correct?
Groves van Onna: This driveway belongs to the neighbors and I believe it is
just inside the property lines.
Goldbeck: The fence is going to butt in to the corner of the house.
Groves van Onna: I imagine that it’s not going to be so close to the line that
they can’t park their car.
Boyd: I used to live down the street. The driveways here are so tiny; with a
Model A they work just fine, but modern cars, not so much. A decent setback
on either side will allow their neighbors and their vehicles to get in their
driveways. They’ll be good neighbors, essentially. And they will be park and
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get in and out of their cars without their doors hitting the fence. The
traditional landscaping for these homes is turf on the front yard with a bit of
foundation planting, and it allows for varied use when it comes to car
parking. Fences put up a barrier. The logistics will get complicated.
Hatwig: I see on the neighbor’s driveway they are going to have a two-foot
offset.
Groves van Onna: The two foot offset is off of their driveway, but there is no
offset on the neighboring. We could recommend a two foot setback on the
east property line.
Hatwig: Just for that first fence area? It looks like they are doing a taller, six
foot fence beyond that.
Goldbeck: I wonder if that’s actually a gate area. Can we see the street
view? I couldn’t tell.
Boyd: This is their neighbor’s driveway. So, their neighbor drives a full sized
pickup and if they put a fence on that, they are never going to be able to get
in or out. I realize it’s their property. I don’t believe it was intended that
fences are going up with small lots and little driveways.
Hastrup: I would worry that the neighbors would be mad at us, if we didn’t
recommend a setback. I am not going to say it’s a property right, but they’ve
probably been stepping over a little bit.
Boyd: There’s no way the neighbor can get out of their truck without
stepping on their neighbor’s lawn.
Goldbeck: Think of their own standpoint, they aren’t going to want to have
someone keep busting the fence down and having to repair it.
Boyd: With a picket fence tie it in offset from the house. Tie it on both
corners of the house, set it three foot back or two feet on one side six feet on
the right hand side. It would work well with the architecture of the home.
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Groves van Onna: Adjust side fence setback to align with the building
façade, and include landscaping. You mentioned a height of 18 feet?
Hatwig: 18 inches of vegetation would help hide the fence. We’d
recommend that uniformly throughout many projects, even with the church
on the corner.
Boyd: It makes a big difference. I don’t know if we want to make it a
condition but it’s a wood fence and although it could be viewed as
something temporary, fencing is such an opportunity to accentuate the
architecture. A couple blocks down on Vassar there’s a Tudor home, where
more recently they have put up the quintessential white picket fence, and it’s
set back nicely and the fence is all tipped and peaked and accentuates the
architecture of the Tudor architecture. They removed the turf and did the
English country garden there. With a craftsman home that has the
Craftsman body but is lacking ornamentation. I would love to see something
that matches the architecture of the home. If you google Craftsmen fences,
window detailing you will see one wide picket and three narrow pickets and
then one wide picket, a rhythm to it. On a house that little detailing on it,
adding a fence with a craftsmen flair, it would push the architecture of this
home. The amount of lumber is about the same or possibly less. If you were
to put six inch dog-eared board versus same six inch and another six inch
and rip it three times and you gap it by a half an inch or an inch you’ll get a
cool architectural flair and it might be a cost savings.
Hatwig: You could also put a cap on the posts as well.
Boyd: It would be a quintessential Craftsman detailing that would make
such a difference.
Hastrup: Is that proposed as a recommendation?
Boyd: Yes.
Roper: Should the fence be painted?
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Boyd: No.
Groves van Onna: Thank you for the feedback. Would the Commission like
to approve this with all of those conditions?
Boyd: Would these be conditions or recommendations?
Goldbeck: I think recommendations.
Hatwig: What about the recommendation regarding the setback? We might
want to condition that one, or require that their neighbor gives them written
consent or something because the driveway is going to be so narrow. Not
that a neighbor has rights to your property boundary.
Hastrup: Well the neighbor might have a little rights, if for years they have
been stepping out on to the lawn.
Boyd: All those driveways work with the configuration of the landscaping,
but we’re changing the configuration of the front yard by adding a fence.
Hastrup: If we have a recommendation we may have protection. But the
safest thing for liability sake is to have that be a condition. Everyone is
better off with that being a condition.
Groves van Onna: Side setback as a condition, then landscaping, irrigation
and fencing style as a recommendation?
Hatwig: Fence design might save money; if they plan on doing it
themselves, the fence design Patrick proposed would save them money on
materials.
Boyd: So if they go down to 729 [E Weldon], I built a gate with that same
detailing.
Groves van Onna: Let’s take a look [attempted to pull up 729 E Weldon on
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Google Maps]
Hatwig: It’s great that they knew to come to the City to ask.
Boyd: The permit was for the walkway, too? Are they going to redo the entry
walkway?
Groves van Onna: It’s not the entry walkway, it’s a path adjacent to the
driveway.
Hastrup: The walkway was already approved; it was considered a
non-substantial alteration within [Laura’s] discretion.
No Public Comment
Boyd: I am willing to provide an architectural sketch regarding the
recommendation for the fence.
Groves van Onna: Yes please.
The application by the property owners to install front yard fencing was
approved, with a condition and several recommendations, 4-0 on a motion
by Commissioner Roper and a second by Commissioner Hatwig.
B. ID18-1590 REVIEW AND ADOPT CITY’S CLG 2017-2018 ANNUAL
REPORT PURSUANT TO FMC 12-1606(b)(16).
Attachments: CLG 2017-2018 Annual Report
Historic Preservation Specialist Laura Groves van Onna presented the staff
report for the City of Fresno’s 2017-2018 Certified Local Government (CLG)
Annual Report.
Commissioner Boyd: Busier than I thought we were. I wonder how these
reports stack up against other cities’ reports.
Groves van Onna: I don’t think they are posted for the public, except at
individual HPC meetings.
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Hastrup: Is it a public record? Could we submit PRA’s to other cities?
Groves van Onna: There is one minor change I am going to make before we
submit it; there is accidentally another resume page under Amber’s resume
in there that needs to be removed.
Recording Secretary Amber Piona: I didn’t attend UC Berkeley; UC Davis,
CSU Sacramento and University of Washington Seattle, but not Berkeley.
No Public Comment
The City of Fresno’s CLG 2017-2018 Annual Report was adopted 4-0 on a
motion by Commissioner Hatwig and a second by Commissioner Goldbeck.
C. ID18-1591 STAFF PRESENTATION FOR MAINTENANCE MONITORING
STRATEGIES.
Historic Preservation Specialist Laura Groves van Onna presented the
action plan for Maintenance Monitoring Strategies. Karana
Hattersley-Drayton had most recently updated the Historic Property Watch
List in January of 2016, and this list will be updated. Next steps include
meeting with inter-divisionary staff to confer on how we want to move
forward on historic maintenance monitoring, including organize for a reboot
of the advisory committee, formerly known as SWAT team, and then reach
out to HPC members. Also looking at how to use the FresGo app for historic
properties. Currently finalizing the historic preservation database, goal to
get that done by the end of 2018. Have had initial conversation with GIS
Specialist Michael Andrade to see if it’s feasible to connect the database to
FresGo, so that the Historic Preservation Specialist is cc’d or copied on
projects involving historic properties or in proximity to historic properties.
Neither the user or the other staff will have to know whether or not a
property is historic, the Historic Preservation Specialist shall be copied.
According to ISD this is feasible.
Commissioner Boyd: Fire and Police will be included, too?
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Groves van Onna: I reached out to previous participants, and to other staff
that had been recommended which included people from: Fire,
Neighborhood Revitalization Team, Code, Current Planning, and our
Downtown Revitalization Manager.
Boyd: If FresGo list is overwhelming then we can pare it back. Maybe we
think it’s bad, and people start using it, and it’s worse than we perceived it to
be. But then we would have a body of proof to show whomever needs to see
that.
Groves van Onna: Right now I am depending on people coming to me and
telling me. I wanted to show you the 2016 watch list and I know that some of
these properties can be taken off the list. This includes the Cowdrey Home
[330 N. Park Ave, H.P.# 33], which was approved as a Mills Act property.
There was one on 1225 Divisadero [Ohannesian Home, H.P. #178) that has
been rehabilitated. The Craycroft Home (6545 N Palm Ave, H.P. #182] is on
route to being restored.
Hastrup: Hotel Fresno [1257 Broadway, H.P.#166] has until the end of the
year to demonstrate financing so we should know pretty soon.
Groves van Onna: The Fresno Trolley Cars [1731 S Cherry Ave, H.P #99]
are in the process of being taken by the City Attorney’s Office. There may be
others that are not on this list, as well. We will be discussing this watch list
tomorrow with City staff so if there are immediate properties that pop out to
that need special attention let me know and I will bring them up tomorrow.
Boyd: We should consider a process for how properties get on the list. How
do you know if people aren’t living in a home?
Groves van Onna: Doesn’t the city have a vacancy map? [Assistant Director
Dan Zack] would know.
Boyd: I am sure there is a proper way to go through the City; there’s a permit
for boarding up a home.
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Groves van Onna: 274 N Glenn [Thompson Home, H.P. #35] is being put
into receivership. [Commissioner Don Simmons] had mentioned the Sample
Sanitarium [311 N Fulton St, H.P. #208]; I will add it to the list. In any case I
will keep you in the loop. This is what our draft historic preservation
database looks like. This is meant to include designated resources, those
are the priority, and potential historic resources as well.
Goldbeck: As they come of age?
Groves van Onna: Also from the surveys that have been done.
Boyd: Is this GIS based?
Groves van Onna: Yes.
Boyd: With all of that information in there, you can look at potential districts.
Groves van Onna: Looking on the right image, some areas in the light red
are potential historic districts taken from data we already have.
Hastrup: Chinatown is a potential district.
Boyd: Awesome, nice job.
No Public Comment
Item Closed
VII. CHAIRPERSON'S REPORT
VIII. UNSCHEDULED ITEMS
A. Members of the Commissioin
None.
B. Staff
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1. Vartanian Home (362 F St, H.P.#67)
Staff has met further about the demolition permit application put forth by the
Fresno Rescue Mission. The environmental review is still being scoped, but
will be reaching out the Commission soon.
2. California Merci Train Boxcar (3509 N FIrst St, Heritage Property #25)
Meeting scheduled between City Staff and Grand Voiture du California for
February 15, 2019.
3. Mills Act
Staff has received the executed contracts from the City Clerk’s office today
and will go to the County Recorder tomorrow.
Boyd: Do we get to see the information from that? Do we get to see dollars
spent and taxes saved, or is it private data? I would be curious to tabulate
on the success of the program; these are the amount of improvements that
owners have done, and this is the amount of savings.
Groves van Onna: I agree that information will be valuable to know and to
share for promoting the program; I will follow up with Dan. This year as part
of the application packet, I did request their most recent property tax bill to
facilitate the review process, but if you would like, it we could consider
monitor that.
Boyd: It could be good as a historic preservation marketing campaign: X
amount of money was spent to rehabilitate historic buildings and X amount
of property tax money was saved by the people doing the work; lump them
together to make the number seem really big.
Groves van Onna: It’s a good idea. On that note, we didn’t have brochures
this year; I am currently working with our Services Aide on economic
incentives brochures
4. Historic Preservation Week
The Fresno Historical Society centennial gala will be occurring Saturday
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April 6, 2019. Wilson Island is having a centennial event one of the last two
weekends in May, probably Saturday May 18, 2019. Chris Rocha will be
doing the Lowell Home tour in May. Staff will advertise other events going
for Historic Preservation week. Currently looking for ideas for an activity.
The Fresno Historical Society used to host a trivia night once a month at a
local brewery.
5. Mandatory Ethics Training
Reminder to the Commission to complete the mandatory ethics training.
Staff has received three completed ethics trainings.
Hatwig: Don’t speed through the test, you need two hours! It was really good
training I enjoyed it.
C. General Public
None.
IX. NEXT MEETING: January 28, 2019, 6PM Conference Room A, City Hall.
X. ADJOURNMENT
Chair Boyd adjourned the meeting at 6:51 PM.
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Agenda
City of Fresno
City Hall
2600 Fresno Street
Fresno, CA 93721
Meeting Agenda - Final
Monday, December 17, 2018
6:00 PM
Regular Meeting
Fresno City Hall, Second Floor
Room 2165N (Conference Room A)
Historic Preservation Commission
Chair Patrick Boyd
Vice Chair Jason Hatwig, LEED, AP, BD+C
Commissioners:
Robin Goldbeck; Paul Halajian, AIA; Ron McNary;
C. Kristina Roper, M.A.; Don Simmons, Ph.D.
Staff:
Daniel Zack, AICP Assistant Director; Laura van Onna, Historic Preservation
Specialist; Amber Piona, Planner II, Recording Secretary; John Hastrup,
Deputy City Attorney II
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The Historic Preservation Commission welcomes you to Room 2165, located in City Hall,
2nd Floor, 2600 Fresno Street, Fresno, California 93721.
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I. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
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II. APPROVE MEETING MINUTES
A. ID18-1587 Approve Minutes for November 26, 2018.
III. APPROVE AGENDA
IV. CONSENT CALENDAR
None.
V. CONTINUED MATTERS
None.
VI. COMMISSION ITEMS
A. ID18-1588 CONSIDER AND MAKE FINDINGS ON THE APPLICATION
BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO INSTALL FRONT YARD
FENCING AT THE WHARTON HOME (CONTRIBUTOR TO
PORTER TRACT HISTORIC DISTRICT) LOCATED AT 1021
E WELDON AVENUE PURSUANT TO FMC 12-1606(a)(2)
and 12-1618(h)(1).
B. ID18-1590 REVIEW AND ADOPT CITY’S CLG 2017-2018 ANNUAL
REPORT PURSUANT TO FMC 12-1606(b)(16).
C. ID18-1591 STAFF PRESENTATION FOR MAINTENANCE
MONITORING STRATEGIES.
VII. CHAIRPERSON'S REPORT
VIII. UNSCHEDULED ITEMS
A. Members of the Commissioin
B. Staff
C. General Public
IX. NEXT MEETING: January 28, 2019, 6PM Conference Room A, City Hall.
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X. ADJOURNMENT
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