Records Commission
Regular MeetingGahanna, OH · October 23, 2012
Minutes
City of Gahanna
200 South Hamilton Road
Gahanna, Ohio 43230
Meeting Minutes - Final
Tuesday, October 23, 2012
5:00 PM
City Hall
Records Commission
GAHANNA’S VISION is…
… to be an innovative model community that values its rich heritage, pursues high standards and promotes
respect among its citizens.
GAHANNA’S MISSION is…
… to ensure an exceptional quality of life by providing comprehensive services, financial stability, and
well-planned development which preserves the natural environment, in order that city government will continue
to be responsive, accessible and accountable to our diverse and growing community of citizens.
Shane Ewald, City Attorney, Chair
Isobel L. Sherwood, MMC
Rebecca W. Stinchcomb, Mayor
Jennifer Teal, Finance Director
Laura Dachenbach
Sharon Montgomery, Records Administrator
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A. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Additional Attendees: Brandi Braun; Sharon Montgomery. Absent: Jennifer Teal.
Meeting called to order at 5:05p.m. by Ewald.
Present: 4 - Isobel L. Sherwood MMC, Laura Dachenbach, Shane W. Ewald and
Rebecca W. Stinchcomb
B. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Sherwood moved to approve the minutes of the July 31, 2012 meeting. Braun
seconded and the motion carried.
C. ITEMS FOR APPROVAL
None.
D. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION
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1. Public Records Policy Revisions
Montgomery reminded members we are required to have a written policy for handling
records requests and to have a poster about that policy. We have chosen to put our
policy in an FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) format, geared toward the requester.
Our poster is a very brief summary and refers citizens to an information card in the
lobby tract rack. The card, which can be taken home for reference, gives more detail
and refers citizens to the full policy and fee schedule which are available on request.
In answer to a question, Montgomery said the state law requirements have not
changed, but she is recommending revisions to make some items more clear, to
update some, and to add contact information for the State Auditor's new hotline and
the Attorney General's new Mediation Program, as was the consensus at the July
meeting.
Poster
Montgomery explained that she added contact information for police records. She
used Katey Powell's name and direct phone number because they are on the police
Web page as the contact for records management. She said she'd been told internal
numbers were not for the public so had been referring callers to the dispatchers but
didn't like taking dispatchers'
time with non-emergency calls.
Consensus was that if this information is on the Web page , as long as Lt. Spence
approves, Katey's contact information should be given.
Members agreed that “assistance” was an appropriate heading for the Auditor and
Attorney General contacts and discussed how to make sure the public knew about
these options without driving them to these state options every time we have to deny
a request.
Consensus was that “for further assistance” was a more positive-sounding reason for
using the state resources than “if you feel we have not met your needs.”
Information card
Ewald suggested it be printed by the vendor who prints our pamphlets for the tract
rack; consensus was that copying it onto card stock, as in the past, was sufficient.
Adding police contact is subject to Lt. Spence's approval, as on the poster.
Dachenbach suggested that the third item, “Q: What can I see or get copies of? A:
Anything the law does not say is confidential.” would be better as the first item and
that “anything” was so broad it could sound evasive to citizens. Consensus was that
this answer should be reworded along the lines of “public records are…”
Members agreed with Montgomery that “…and time frame.” should be added to the
answer for “Q: What do I tell you? A: The subject matter.”
For the item, “Q: How fast can I get records?,” members suggested “Within a
reasonable period of time based on the extent of your request.”
As on the poster, members preferred “For further assistance” to “Q: What if I'm not
satisfied with the City's response?”
Stinchcomb requested that the full “FAQ” policy be on our Web site and that “or at
www.gahanna.gov/[rest of address] be added to “Our complete fee schedule and
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request policy are available on request” at the bottom of the card.
Montgomery recommended and members agreed that the information card on the
Attorney General's Web site be printed and copied for our lobby tract rack , also. She
also recommended that two slots on the tract rack be dedicated to these two
information cards, to assure that they are always available. Stinchcomb said that
could be arranged.
FAQ policy
Members discussed each item with proposed changes, and consensus was as
follows:
1) “Q: Who do I ask…?”: Expand answer to give Powell and Montgomery contact
information, subject to Lt. Spence's approval on Powell's information.
2) Make Montgomery's change of “delivered to you” to “sent to you.”
3) Add Montgomery's suggested “and time frame” to “we will need to know the
subject matter.”
4) Dachenbach was concerned that “Q: Am I allowed to have everything in your
files?” was too open-ended. Members suggested “Q: I requested records and some
were missing.
Why?”
5) Change “A: …If we can't give you something, we will tell you the part of the law
that exempts it.” to “…If we can't give you something, we will give you a reason, as
required by law.”
6) Change “content” to “subject” in “A: We have retention periods for records
based on the content,” based on Mongtomery's report that a requester considered
“content” to imply a different meaning. Dachenbach suggested adding an example or
two after “subject.”
7) Add Montgomery's suggested “We might suggest you come in and look over
the records to decide which you actually need.” to “A:…if you need a large number of
records…”
8) Use Montgomery's recommended updates on copy charges.
9) Change “Q: What kinds of non-paper copies can I ask for?” to “Q: How can I
get the records?” To the answer for this item, add “or on any medium” after “You can
have copies in any format…” Add to this answer, “Delivery options depend on the
volume of the records and could be pick up, fax, mail, courier, or e-mail attachments.
Charges for courier would be the actual costs. Charges for mail would be the
postage and envelope when that total is at least $1.00”
10) Revise answer to “Q: How soon will the records be ready…?” to “A: Our goal
is good customer service. The law requires us to make records available for
inspection 'promptly' and to prepare copies 'within a reasonable period of time.' We
interpret that to mean with no unnecessary delays. Necessary delays could result
from such factors as retrieving from offsite storage or reviewing for confidential
information. The more specific and narrow your request, the sooner you are likely to
get the records”
11) Make Montgomery's change “A:…requests for information are not considered
to be 'public records requests…'” to “”A:…the Ohio Supreme Court does not consider
requests for information to be 'public records requests…”
12) Add Montgomery's suggested “on a fixed medium” after “A:…the law's
definition of a public record, meaning that it…” Make Montgomery's omission from
that answer “Because an e-mail inbox is not a storage system, the public record
messages are printed and filed with paper records of that subject.”
13) Make Montgomery's omission “Q: Can I ask for a list of e-mail messages you
printed then deleted? A: Our computer system does not generate such a list and we
don't create one manually.”
14) Make Montgomery's addition of a new Q & A about assistance, based on the
wording on the information card.
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This discussion raised the question of the costs of CDs and DVDs. Montgomery
answered that we charge our actual cost for blanks, 25¢ per CD and 30¢ per DVD
except for some police records which were approved by the commission based on
discussions at those
meetings.
Montgomery reminded members that by code we have to recalculate our actual costs
every three years and revise our fee schedule accordingly and that 2013 would be
the year to do that again.
2. Court Surveillance Camera
Ewald reported that he has been learning more about the ceiling-mounted video
camera that records activity at the court window and the doors to Council chambers,
as well as in the court hallway and some of the seating area. He has learned that the
images are captured on a server somewhere and are intended to be kept
approximately 90 days although they are not yet on a retention schedule. He said
the IT Dept. has given access to a police detective.
Ewald said the recordings are public records and someone needs to be designated to
manage those records, including following the retention schedule. He recommended
a 90-day retention then overwriting.
Braun volunteered to get a comprehensive look at this matter, including whether the
contractor who provided the camera maintains it and how our other cameras are
managed.
Montgomery was directed to use the information Braun collects to draft one
consistent retention schedule for in-building cameras in any City building. Ewald and
Stinchcomb questioned why the police building camera is scheduled for one year.
Montgomery said shewould provide the meeting minutes for that approval.
3. Social Media Workshop
Montgomery reported that she and Public Information Manager Brian Hoyt are
registered for this workshop on Oct. 24, presented by the Ohio Electronic Records
Committee. She said it should be very comprehensive, covering definitions,
ownership and control issues, management, retention, employee and citizen use and
access, and security. There will be discussions on two fictional scenarios and
guidance on creating a social media plan.
E. OFFICIAL REPORTS:
1. From Records Administrator
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A. Function-Based Rentention Schedules
Montgomery reported that she attended the October meeting of the local chapter of
ARMA (Association of Records Managers and Administrators), which gave more
information on function- or process-based retention schedules. She said there was
an article on this in a recent ARMA journal, also.
She reminded members she had touched on this subject at a previous commission
meeting, explaining that our current schedules are primarily document-based and
that one of the drawbacks to this approach is that it is very difficult to integrate
electronic records into the schedule because e-records often are not a static
“document.”
In the interest of time, she gave only a brief summary of this meeting and article and
offered to provide copies of her longer, written summary. She cautioned that to get
the benefits of this kind of schedule, our schedules would need a complete overhaul.
She said just updating them when documents or needs change is time-consuming
and that complete revisions, from an entirely new viewpoint would be time- and
labor-intensive.
B. Legislative Update
Montgomery said that because the state legislature's summer recess effectively
extends through election day, little has happened since her July report. She gave
some additional information on bills that were in previous legislative updates.
She said she could ask the sponsor or committee chairman if they expected any
action on SB 356 which would allow the State Auditor to collect
information-apparently of his choosing-from local governments, apparently whether
or not they're already compiling this data. The purpose of this collection would be to
allow citizens to compare local governments.
At the previous report, the commission had shared Montgomery's concern about the
impact of this. Ewald said Gahanna's Sen. Bacon had not returned his call about
this.
Montgomery reminded members she had reported that SB 224 was enacted and
reduces the period of limitations for actions on a written contract from 15 to eight
years. She had said in July that this would allow us to reduce the retention period for
engineering construction contracts. She said as she looked into revising the
engineering schedule for this, she realized she wasn't sure why she had interpreted it
originally to apply only to construction contracts so that needs to be clarified. Ewald
said he would meet with Montgomery next week on this.
Montgomery also cautioned that HB 102 addresses contracts for public projects in an
apparent attempt to open up public contracts to non-union shops. As it stands
currently, this bill does not appear to affect how we retain prevailing wage records but
we know that sometimes the enacted version differs from the introduced version so
she and Prevailing Wage Coordinator Jill Webb decided it would be better to wait and
see what happens with HB 102 then look at whether the schedule for contracts and
the schedule for prevailing wage records need to be coordinated.
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C. Case Law Update
Montgomery reported that two recent court decisions on local cases have possible
implications for us.
Zidonis v. Columbus State Community College
This Ohio Supreme Court case touched on both e-mail management and records
request procedures. CSCC initially denied the request for e-mails between two
named employees because a) it was too broad because it didn't specify a subject
matter or a time frame, and b) they had no program to search e-mail by sender or
recipient.
There was discussion about specific techniques for searching our archive system
and what kinds of results we were getting from those techniques.
The court agreed that subject or time frame was a necessary part of the request.
CSCC later created a program to search by sender and recipient, even though case
law says a public office does not have to create a new search program for a records
request.
They then searched and provided the messages from that search. CSCC searched
in the disaster-recovery system to get deleted e-mails. Evolving case law in
e-discovery indicates that the other party in a case is likely to consider e-mail that
exists only in the disaster-recovery system not to be "reasonably accessible" and a
judge is likely to agree. However, when it is known that the party has already used
its disaster-recovery system for more than resuming operations in the event of a
system failure of some kind, then that party would very probably have to produce
e-mails that exist only there.
Stinchcomb said she thought the backup tapes were public record. Montgomery said
when we wrote our retention schedule, we distinguished between records stored
electronically for the purpose of routine retrieval and records backed up regularly
solely for the purpose of being able to restore them if a system problem occurred.
She said she'll look at the schedule to be sure she's remembering correctly but she
thinks we designated the back ups as non-records.
When CSCC considered the request for complaints and litigation files as too broad
because no time frame was given, Zidonis's attorney asked if there was a way to look
at only a specific time period of those files. CSCC continued to deny and the court
agreed, saying that asking the question did not constitute revising the request.
Montgomery questioned that in light of the public records law requirement that we
assist requesters in revising their request by letting them know how we keep our
records. Ewald said we should respond to requests reactively rather than
proactively; the requester needs to know what he wants.
Versatile Helicopters v. City of Columbus et al.
Montgomery said this US District Court case involved the sale of a used Columbus
police helicopter to Versatile. Columbus had contracts for both maintaining and
servicing their helicopters and for selling used ones. One that Versatile bought had
engine failure soon after purchase so Versatile sued the City and both contractors .
The claims and counterclaims confused even the court so it's difficult to create a
clear summary of the case, but we can look at the possible implications for the City of
Gahanna.
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Those implications could include whether we sell equipment directly or through a
broker; what terms we agree to in a broker's contract; how we retain and dispose of a
broker's contract; and how we retain, share, and dispose of maintenance
documentation and sale documentation.
The maintenance records issues include whether those records go with the
equipment when sold. Our current retention schedule says they are kept for three
years, to cover the two-year statute of limitations for a buyer to sue us and that
copies are offered to the buyer.
Montgomery said she and Service Dir. Dottie Franey discussed this. Franey agreed
these were the issues raised in this case, confirmed that maintenance records are
offered, and asked to be informed of the commission's decisions.
Montgomery asked if we should revise our schedule to say we will give copies
instead of just offering, and if we should also have the buyer sign a receipt
acknowledging that he got the maintenance records.
Ewald agreed these issues need thought. Stinchcomb suggested some sort of limit
on which sales this would apply to, such as over a stated dollar amount, or a
description such as "rolling stock" to limit this procedure to major vehicles. There was
agreement that if we give the buyer the maintenance records and expect him to sign
a receipt, that this be included in the sales contract.
F. COMMENTS, ITEMS NOT ON AGENDA
None.
G. NEXT MEETING
Consensus was that a commission meeting to discuss e-records management,
focusing on e-mail, should wait until some internal discussions had identified the
issues and a decision was made about the IT Director position. Sherwood suggested
Montgomery identify the easier and harder issues as preparation for the internal
discussions. Montgomery distributed an outline of problems she has already
identified with e-records, including e-mail management.
To avoid schedule conflicts or schedule overload with early January organizational
meetings for other boards and commissions, Jan. 22, 2013, was chosen for the
annual Records Commission meeting as required by C.O.G. 157.03.
H. ADJOURNMENT
6:25 p.m. by consensus.
Reported by Sharon Montgomery, Records Administrator
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APPROVED by the Records Commission, this
day of 2013.
Isobel L. Sherwood, MMC
Clerk of Council
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Agenda
City of Gahanna
200 South Hamilton Road
Gahanna, Ohio 43230
Meeting Agenda - Final
Tuesday, October 23, 2012
5:00 PM
City Hall
Records Commission
GAHANNA’S VISION is…
… to be an innovative model community that values its rich heritage, pursues high standards and promotes
respect among its citizens.
GAHANNA’S MISSION is…
… to ensure an exceptional quality of life by providing comprehensive services, financial stability, and
well-planned development which preserves the natural environment, in order that city government will continue
to be responsive, accessible and accountable to our diverse and growing community of citizens.
Shane Ewald, City Attorney, Chair
Isobel L. Sherwood, MMC
Rebecca W. Stinchcomb, Mayor
Jennifer Teal, Finance Director
Laura Dachenbach
Sharon Montgomery, Records Administrator
All meetings and meeting agendas are subject to last minute changes. Please contact the Clerk’s Office at
614-342-4090 to confirm the date and time of this meeting or to request any special accommodations.
Records Commission Meeting Agenda - Final October 23, 2012
A. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
B. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
C. ITEMS FOR APPROVAL
D. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION
E. OFFICIAL REPORTS:
1. From Records Administrator
F. COMMENTS, ITEMS NOT ON AGENDA
G. NEXT MEETING
H. ADJOURNMENT
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