City Council Meetings
Regular MeetingGreen River, WY · March 11, 2014
Minutes
CITY OF GREEN RIVER
CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP PROCEEDINGS
March 11, 2014
The Governing Body of the City of Green River met in workshop session at 6:30 pm in the City
Hall Council Chambers. Mayor Castillon called the meeting to order. The following Council
Members were present: Mark Peterson, Tom McCullough, Brett Stokes, Gary Killpack, and Lisa
Maes. The following were present representing the City: City Administrator Marty Black,
Director of Public Works Mike Nelson, City Engineer/Utility Manager Mark Westenskow, and
Utility Superintendent Jason Palmer.
Utility Line Responsibilities
Council Member McCullough asked how many other organizations participate in the insurance
program.
Mr. Palmer said around 95% of the cities in Wyoming participate in the same type of program.
There are six other cities that have the same program that we do. The City of Riverton is offering
a program of their own.
Council Member Peterson asked why we don’t cover to the property line like Rock Springs does.
Mr. Palmer said the City of Rock Springs only maintains the sewer main just like we do. The
property owner is responsible for the line from their home to the main.
Council Member Peterson said he is concerned that the homeowners are responsible for lines in
the street and sometimes the lines are damaged by construction or not even connected to the
main.
Mr. Palmer said the city maintains the city sewer main and from the main to the house is the
property owner’s responsibility.
Sewer Service Line Responsibilities:
City is responsible for 58 miles of sewer mains
Homeowners are responsible for service lines from the building to the main including
that portion of the service line that is under the street
Current policy was adopted by council in 2012
Most sewer service problems are plugging, due to what goes down the pipe rather than
structural problems. The city cannot control what is put down the drain.
Generally repairable by jet cleaning rather than digging
Water Service Line Responsibilities:
City is responsible for mains and service lines to the property line, roughly 90 miles of
lines
Homeowners are responsible for service lines from the property line to the house
Current policy adopted by council in 2008
The city will maintain that portion within its control. The city delivers the water and they
are in control of the water.
Mr. Palmer said typically, they would like to have the curb stop on the city side but in some
instances it is on the homeowner’s side. Roughly 70% of the curb stops are on the city side. A
curb stop is a shut off that sets six foot below grade so they can shut water service off there.
Mr. Westenskow said anyone wishing to dig within a city street must obtain an excavation
permit and be bonded prior to beginning work. The permits are available through the Community
Development Department unless the permit is on a right-of-way, then they have to go to Public
Works. There are three levels of review for work done in the street: inspection of service
connection, verification of compaction test results, and approval of asphalt patch.
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Homeowner’s insurance may cover the issue but it is very rare and limited. They may self
perform the work by renting a sewer snake and running it down the pipe to see if there is a
problem. Typically, homeowners will hire a contractor if it has to go out into the street since
there is a bond required. The last option is to participate in the service line warranty insurance
that is offered.
Council Member Peterson said citizens are saying they can’t get any information from the
service line warranty insurance company. He asked if the city could use the GREEN Program to
help cover people who don’t have the ability to pay.
Mr. Black said the GREEN program is a donation driven program and it does not have a large
amount of funds in it. Legally, the city cannot go on to private property to do any work for a
private property owner.
Mr. Palmer said the Service Line Warranties of America is a private company. The city makes
residents aware of this company’s product, but has no financial stake in their business.
Enrollment is 100% voluntary and between the homeowner and the company. The city uses this
product as a way to educate homeowners on the responsibilities for their own sewer and water
service lines. The program covers up to $4,000 per incident, with an additional allowance if
cutting in the street in required.
Mr. Black said when the city decided to inform people of this program there was an option for
the city to receive a certain percentage of revenue in return, but the council opted to pass the
savings on to the consumers.
Council Member Peterson said there are a mess of lines underground that do not make sense.
Mr. Westenskow said a large portion of the city’s infrastructure was built in the 70’s and they are
finding that things done then are not done now. There are different and better ways of doing
things.
Council Member Peterson said he feels sorry for the people who buy a home that is older with no
idea on what is underneath their homes.
Mr. Westenskow said if the city takes on the maintenance responsibilities of more lines the rates
would have to increase somewhere to cover the extra costs.
Council Member Peterson asked if there was any way they could take care of the lines that have
tree roots in them.
Mr. Palmer said there are mains in town that are on a routine root cutting schedule to help
prevent problems.
Mr. Black said if the city did any work beyond the property line the city would have to obtain
easements and dedications for those improvements. This was not something that was planned
from the beginning so it would make it very hard.
Council Member Peterson said his main concern is the property owners are responsible for the
line under the street and they don’t have any control of what goes on out in the street.
Mr. Westenskow said they do not know what is under the street so they should do their best to
find out what is there before they dig.
Council Member Stokes said when something happens in the street, it is a bonded company that
digs into the street so you don’t have people digging wherever they want to. He thanked them for
their presentation.
Council Member McCullough said the city was asked by a resident to find out if there is
insurance that could be offered to the residents and that is how it was started. He said tree root
intrusion, ground shifting and weather is covered under the service line warranty insurance. He
wants to know what happens when a street is fixed by a contractor but lines are not connected to
the main line.
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Mr. Palmer said if there is a development that was started, but not completed at the same time,
they recommend they run dye down the line to make sure the line is connected to the main.
Mr. Nelson said the responsibilities of the service line were adopted in 2012, but that is the way
they have traditionally done it since 1998.
Council Member Killpack thanked them for their presentation. He asked if putting our logo on
the insurance information going out to the residents would create a legal liability for the city.
Mr. Black said he believes that it was looked into by legal council at the beginning and it was
found not to be a problem, but he will verify to make sure.
Council Member McCullough said there is a high percentage of people participating in the
insurance program. He said how things are setup now, is how they should stay.
The Mayor asked if Rock Springs was participating in the program.
Mr. Palmer said yes, and White Mountain Water and Sewer is as well.
The Mayor asked if Casper was participating.
Mr. Palmer said Casper is and Evanston is reviewing the program now.
Council Member Peterson asked what is being done to prevent the old meters that have reached
the end of their life span from breaking.
Mr. Westenskow said the old meters are becoming inefficient and are not counting every gallon
that goes through. There is a small amount of lead in them and it is now a requirement that they
are replaced with ones without lead.
Council Member Peterson said he would like to see the meters put out to the sidewalk.
Mr. Westenskow said because of freezing issues they are put inside the house.
Mr. Palmer said they are looking at a radio read system in the near future so there won’t be a
touchpad at the house.
Mr. Black said they are planning to replace the meters within a five year period, so there is not a
huge amount of meters that have to be replaced at one time.
Council Member Maes thanked them for their presentation. She clarified those residents who live
in a PUD or trailer park, that take care of their own lines, cannot get this insurance that is offered
.
Mr. Palmer said that is correct because the insurance company is taking advantage of the city
providing the maintenance on the lines.
City Administrator’s Report
Mr. Black reminded everyone they will be hosting a community meeting on the East Teton
reconstruction work, Thursday, March 13, 2014, from 6 pm to 7 pm, at the Fire Station #2.
He has met with the city attorney and they are continuing to work on the lease with SWRAP.
The plan is to have it before council for approval on April 1, 2014.
Mayor and Council Reports
Council Member Stokes thanked everyone who was involved in the tour of the courts and the
new PD building.
Council Member Killpack said the new PD building will be very nice.
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Council Member Maes had nothing to report.
Council Member McCullough asked Mr. Black to find out what the city pays for warranty work
on the elevators in city hall.
Council Member Peterson thanked the local legislature representatives working to get the funds
for the cities and towns.
The Mayor said he met with the county commissioners and Mayor Demshar on the future of
Wyoming industry. He was wondering why Sweetwater County and the two municipalities were
not invited.
He asked who pays for the lights in town.
Mr. Nelson said the city pays for them. The lights on the overpass are WyDOT lights and they
pay for and maintain them. The city pays for all of the wooden poles and our share of the power
bill comes out of the streets budget. The decorative lights are ours also, and those are paid for out
of the Parks budget. He said it is about $150,000 per year.
The Mayor said the airport did a study on a voluntary airport parking fee and they have received
a donation of $150.
He said FMC Corporation is reorganizing but it should not affect the city. The soda ash and
lithium production should stay here.
Council Member Killpack asked what they should do if they see a street light that is out.
Mr. Black said contact the city so they can fix it or let someone at the power company know.
Council Member Peterson asked about the frost levels.
Mr. Palmer said it is out of the ground, but there is a cautionary number of 24 to 36 inches.
Council Member Peterson thanked Mr. Palmer for watching the frost levels and keeping the
public informed.
Adjournment
The meeting adjourned at 7:16 pm.
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H. Castillon, Mayor
ATTEST:
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Jeffrey V. Nieters, City Clerk
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