5b Hanover Area Fire and Rescue Commission
Regular MeetingHanover, PA · October 20, 2022
Minutes
Minutes
Hanover Area Fire and Rescue Commission
Meeting Held Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 5:30 p.m.
Hanover Borough Office
Present at the meeting:
• HAFRC Chairman Bertram Elsner
• Penn Township Commissioners Michael Brown, Mark Elksnis, and Mgr. Kristina Rodgers
• Hanover Borough Councilman William Reichert
• HAFR Chief Anthony Clousher, Executive Assistant Vanessa Larson
• HAVFR Volunteers Jeffrey Spielman and alternate George Zimmerman
• EMA Coordinator Jeff Waltman and Solicitor Iannacone
Chair Elsner called the meeting to order at 5:34 p.m. Secretary Larson completed a roll call; five voting
members present for a quorum.
Announcement of Executive Session: No Executive Sessions have been held.
Public Comment: None
Consent Agenda Approval:
o Members Spielman and Brown moved for the approval of all three items on the Consent Agenda.
Motion carried unanimously.
Treasurers Report:
o Chief Clousher reported in the absence of Steve Otis.
o As of September 30, income is 7% over budget; the fourth quarter installments from the
municipalities have been invoiced.
o Expenses overall are down by 3% although Insurance, Professional, and Contracted Services
are over budget.
o Chief Clousher mentioned the Borough’s 2022 Sutphen billing, we received and paid that
invoice on 10/17/2022.
Committee Reports:
o Finance & Personnel reported by Chief Clousher
o Due to the joint Civil Service list created earlier this year being exhausted and Penn
Township wanting to hire a 16th firefighter, Chief Clousher asked for a motion to create
a new joint hire list.
Motion made by members Brown and Spielman. Motion carried unanimously.
o Solicitor Iannacone stated that Penn Township should take this to their board to approve
the hire.
o Standard Operating Procedure moving forward is to always maintain a valid list.
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o Facilities & Apparatus: See report sent with agenda.
o Fire Chief’s Report:
o In addition to the report sent to commission members, Chief Clousher reported that
EMS will be on standby at the Snack Town Fest, the Halloween Parade and Trick-or-Treat.
o We have been in the process of promoting a replacement captain at Penn Township.
A selection has been made for the position who will be sworn in at the November
Commission meeting.
o EMS Report:
o EMS responded to 410 calls in September with 411 patients.
o We are currently conducting interviews for full-time Paramedics and are in need of EMT’s
as well.
o EMS is still following CDC recommendations for COVID. A slight increase is expected with
cold weather ahead.
o Currently there is a heavy spike in the RSV virus. Doctors are recommending people with
cold symptoms stay home to help stop the spread.
o Business Administrator Report:
o Referencing the Medical Standby Agreement template provided by Mr. Poland, discussion
ensued as follows:
o This topic has come to light as we have received complaints from parents when our
ambulance leaves a football game to answer a call. Also, Mr. Poland talked about the
fact that we could earn income from this service; a new income line would be created
in the Commission general ledger.
o Rates shown in the document were garnered from the East Coast area, which is a
comparable rate to cover OT pay, equipment and vehicle wear and tear.
o Commissioner Brown asked if we have the equipment/personnel available? Yes, it
would be a mandated shift using our third ambulance.
o In the event of an Ambulance trip from said event, the patient would be billed.
o We currently do receive a donation from South Western HS, but not from Hanover HS.
o Councilman Reichart stated we should have permission from the municipalities to
provide this service. Also, requests could not be impromptu, we would need
documentation of the size and length of the event, etc. He also recommended
collaborating with our Solicitor for verbiage on the document. Advertising this service
should also take place.
o Referencing the PA Fire Recovery Service document provided by Mr. Poland, discussion
ensued as follows:
o This topic is only for review this evening; but Mr. Poland would like to see this
approved by ordinance.
o This is a billing recovery service that would generate income back to the Commission
for large-scale events (usage of foam, damage to Turn Out gear, hoses, etc.) This
particular company is very aggressive in processing collections. Their average recovery
is $1,262 per event.
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o Mr. Poland stated we could establish our own guidelines where the Commission
would produce the invoice and collect the funds.
o The Fire Chief would make the decision for us to collect for a fire event.
o Commissioner Brown recommended review by all board members for discussion
at our November 2022 meeting.
o 2023 Budget:
o The 2023 budget was submitted to the Finance and Personnel Committee, but their
monthly meeting was cancelled and not rescheduled.
o The budget was prepared two ways – one with Commission only expenses, the other
included the Penn Twp. and Hanover Borough fire payroll and their related benefits.
o Solicitor Iannacone stated that our budget needs to be approved and to the
municipalities by December 1st for their approval.
o EMA Report: In addition to the report sent with the agenda:
o Mr. Waltman is in the process of finalizing the Halloween parade and GIS maps that are
divided into ten sectors for each of the parade marshals.
o Pertaining to the previous discussions on intersection barriers, a meeting was held with
Public Works, Borough officials, Police and Chief Clousher. Costs were discussed and a
vendor is scheduled to meet.
o Mr. Waltman discussed current problems with Red Cross no longer having a local chapter
and enlisting volunteers. He met with the Department of Human Services and Red Cross
recently. There were no answers on the sheltering and direct response issues we are
encountering, and he was told that vouchers would only be handed out with the total
destruction of a home.
He spoke of the need to look locally to churches and other organizations. He indicated a
local church does want to focus their mission group locally as opposed to oversees, so that
is promising.
o Hanover Area Volunteer Fire and Rescue Report:
o Mr. Zimmerman’s monthly report has been sent with these meeting minutes.
Unfinished Business:
o Concerning the Union Contracts, the firefighters are asking for mandatory recall if more than two
pieces of apparatus leave the Borough/Township area or if we would send someone to pick up a
piece of apparatus 30 miles away.
o Also, if we have a working incident in the Borough/Township that requires all on duty, this leaves
no one to respond to another incident. Per Chief Clousher, it does go to a working fire box that
indicates off-duty personnel should report to the station.
o Commission Elksnis indicated Penn Twp. did not approve mandatory recall in their contract, and
he feels this should be the responsibility of the Commission/Fire Chief.
o Mr. Poland stated that the Fire Chief can call in other departments for coverage if the event is large
scale (a transfer.)
o Both current contracts do have a clause for minimum of four persons on duty every day.
New Business: None
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Public Comment: None
At 6:42 p.m. motion to adjourn made by members Elksnis and Reichart. Motion carried unanimously.
Respectfully submitted,
Vanessa Larson
Recording Secretary
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Agenda
Agenda
Hanover Area Fire and Rescue Commission
Thursday, October 20, 2022
Hanover Borough Office @ 5:30 p.m.
Updated 10/17/2022
1. Call to Order of the Meeting
2. Declaration of a Quorum
3. Announcement of Executive Session
4. Public Comment
5. CONSENT AGENDA
Accept motion to approve items on the Consent Agenda as follows:
a. September 2022 Meeting Minutes
b. September 2022 Fire Report
c. September 2022 A/P Check Run
6. Treasurer’s Report
a. September 2022 Financial Report
7. Committee Reports
a. Finance & Personnel
1. Approval to create a joint hiring list under Penn/Hanover Civil Service Rules.
2. Approval to hire a 16th FF under the Penn CBA.
b. Facilities & Apparatus
8. Fire Chief’s Report
9. EMS Report
10. Business Administrator’s Report
a. Budget presentation and movement to municipalities
b. EMS Contract for outside use
c. PA Fire Recovery Service
11. EMA Report
12. Hanover Area Volunteer Fire and Rescue Report
13. Unfinished Business
14. New Business
a. Recall of Off Duty Personnel for Fires (Commissioner Elksnis)
14. Public Comment
15. Adjournment
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