Village Board Meeting
Regular MeetingKronenwetter, WI · September 25, 2023
Minutes
VILLAGE BOARD MEETING MINUTES
September 25, 2023 at 6:00 PM
Kronenwetter Municipal Center - 1582 Kronenwetter Drive Board Room (Lower Level)
1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER
President Chris Voll called the meeting to order at 6:00 PM
A. Pledge of Allegiance
Those in attendance cited the pledge of allegiance.
B. Roll Call
PRESENT
Village President Chris Voll
Trustee Ken Charneski
Trustee Tim Shaw
Trustee Sean Dumais
Trustee Alex Vedvik
Trustee Chris Eiden
Trustee Kelly Coyle
STAFF PRESENT
Director of Public Works; Leonard Ludi
Village Clerk; Bobbi Birk-LaBarge
Interim Administrator; Kim Manley
Village Attorney; Lee Turonie
Finance Director; Lisa Kerstner
Chief of Police; Terry McHugh
2. ANNOUNCEMENT OF CLOSED SESSION
President Chris Voll announced the upcoming closed session.
3. PUBLIC COMMENT
Please be advised per State Statute Section 19.84(2), information will be received from the public. It is the
policy of this Village that Public Comment will take no longer than 15 minutes with a three-minute time
period, per person, with time extension per the Chief Presiding Officer’s discretion. Be further advised that
there may be limited discussion on the information received, however, no action will be taken under public
comments.
Bernie Kramer 2150 East State Hwy 153 Peplin - Kramer is concerned the village's TIDs do not have a capital
or service budget. Kramer wants a better evaluation of the TIDs before any further actions are taken on
them.
4. REPORTS FROM STAFF AND VENDORS
C. Introduction: Director of Public Works and Utilities; Leonard Ludi
Director of Public Works Leonard Ludi introduced himself.
D. Treasurers Report & Check Run
Finance Director Lisa Kerstner explains the 2023 August and July treasures report. The interest from
the LGIP account is up to 5.31% and roughly 4% in the remainder accounts.
Trustee Charneski questions page 5 of the general fund/taxes/revenue/expenses report. Charneski
mentions he noticed shortfalls but didn't see those shortages listed on the budget amendments. He
requests a complete report of the number of shortfalls. Kerstner explains she has not compared the
revenues verses expenditures, but she has 35-40 expense lines that she believes requires budget
amendments that are not included in the reports submitted with this meeting packet. Kerstner
explains we are doing better on the revenues which will make up for some shortfalls. Kerstner states
when looking at the report you want to focus on positive (+) numbers and not the numbers on
parenthesis. Trustee Charneski states he is referring to more of the individual line items that are falling
short of what was budgeted for. Trustee Charneski agrees if the village is doing better on the revenue
than that is what will help make up for the shortfalls. Trustee Charneski believes some shortfalls are no
one's fault in particular but seem discretionary and should have been monitored. Trustee Charneski
wished the board would have been made aware of the shortfall's months prior either before or right
after the shortages happened. Trustee Charneski refers Kerstner to page 12. He states there are bank
and estimate fees of roughly $1,500.00 and he assumed the Village was done with those fees. Lisa
explains that a year-to-date column would have included Wood Trust. Kerstner explains even though
we are still going to have some bank fees, we are still getting money in interest. Trustee Charneski
questions page 15-line item labeled as “equipment rental fees” and how that line item appears to be
$14,000 over budget and questions what happened. Kerstner explains she is not certain, but she will
research and find out what it was for.
Kerstner explains the check register is a list of the checks that were cut. Trustee Charneski mentions he
does like the new format of the check run and reports with the Village's new software program verses
the old program.
E. Administrator's Report
Interim Administrator Kim Manley explained her administrator report. Trustee Charneski questions
item #6 and asked Manley to explain what she meant by "revaluations". Administrator Manley
explained they can do an on the ground evaluation, a market evaluation, and then perform a re-
evaluation. The state tries to make sure communities stay between 90-110% of their actual equalized
value. The Village of Kronenwetter was at 86% last year and the projected value is 80% or 82% in
assessed value. The Village has dropped below where we need to be for an assessed value.
5. NEW BUSINESS
F. Discuss and Consider: Guidance on Electronic Communications
Village attorney Turonie explains he follows DOJ (Department of Justice) guidelines. Attorney Turonie
explains he has only represented the village for five months and he has seen some incorrect email
correspondence and does not want to see the village get into any type of legal trouble not following
the DOJ's (Department of Justice) guidelines. President Voll explains to Charneski this item was
brought up for discussion due to his email correspondence to staff asking for items to be placed on the
agenda and looking for another Trustee to back him up. Voll explains to Trustee Charneski he was
asking for a comment, through email communications from 6 other board members which can lead to
discussion and a walking quorum if discussion on that particular item occurs. The emails asking for
comment should be sent separately. Trustee Charneski suggests using "BCC" (blind carbon copy) when
sending emails to other trustees. President Voll corrects Trustee Charneski and informs Trustee
Charneski that would be considered another possible violation. Attorney Turonie cautions against
email communication between board members.
No action on this item. Discussion only.
G. Discuss and Consider: Open Records Request Clarification
Village attorney Turonie says the item speaks for itself. Trustee Charneski believes village attorney
Turonie prevented the attorney invoices from being shared and doesn't believe the requestor can only
come in and look at the invoices without having a copy which is a past practice with the previous
village attorney. Village attorney Turonie informed the board Administrator Manley made that rule
because the certain client documents that have been requested by Trustee Charneski are not public
record. Personnel files and some other items are also not open records that can be given out freely by
placing an open record request. The DOJ (Department of Justice) guide lists what is public record and
what is not. Attorney bills are attorney/client privilege per DOJ. The administrator created the system
we are currently using at her discretion and is within her realm of duties as Administrator.
H. Discussion and Possible Action: 2023 Budget Amendment #2
Trustee Shaw states the items we are truly over at this point are legal fees and office supplies. Trustee
Vedvik wants to avoid creating an environment of micromanagement with staff and board members.
Trustee Charneski mentions the bills will all be paid regardless but is requesting some sort of plan be
put in place to have department heads notify board members when their budgeted line items are
getting to the point of exceeding their budget lines.
Trustee Vedvik moved to amend Trustee Dumais motion to exclude attorney billing and send back to
Finance Director Kerstner to split it in two separate lists as specified by Trustee Dumais. Motion
seconded by Trustee Shaw.
Motion passes 7:0 by voice vote.
The original motion made by Trustee Dumais and seconded by Trustee Vedvik following the villages set
policy, to request a budget amendment to the amendment and request Finance Director Kerstner to
divide this amendment into two parts minus the attorney expenses. One amendment line should read
actual overran departmental budgets and the second amendment line item should read funds that are
over and should be moved to the appropriate budget categories due to poor allocation of set funds in
the approved 2023 budget.
Motion carries 7:0 by voice vote.
Motion made by Trustee Vedvik, Seconded by Trustee Coyle to amend the budget for attorney
expenses and general fees from $25,000 to $45,000.00. Trustee Shaw reiterates avoiding the overages
in the future and to rearrange items that involve municipal attorney representation to the top of our
agenda items list and then release the village attorney to keep the legal fees as lower. Trustee Shaw
mentions the same for department heads line items on the agenda to save them time. Attorney
Turonie explains there are items he has worked on that he has not charged the village for. Those items
include his travel time and mileage. He has made a deal with the administrator for meetings to happen
either in the beginning of his workday or at the end of his workday. Attorney Turonie considers that
commuting and he does not charge anything for those meetings. Attorney Turonie explained he does
not currently charge for meeting prior to and at the end of board meetings. Attorney Turonie explains
he documents how long the actual meeting lasted and if he arrived for the meeting early to consult
with staff, he does not currently charge the village for those attorney services either. Attorney Turonie
explains he only charges the village for the meeting time. Attorney Turonie explains he does not
charge the village for sending agendas to him unless he had been asked to review or do something
specific for that particular meeting. Attorney Turonie explains if he looks at the agenda and sees
something that is problematic, then he would address and charge as appropriate. Attorney Turonie
does not charge for explanations of billing items. He offers the board to let them know if they would
like to see the bills in a different format that he currently provides. Attorney Turonie explains he has
done more than he had anticipated upon hire. He expected to do a lot but needed services have
exceeded his expectations due to the gap in attorney coverage the village had causing an increase in
attorney services needed. Making it more challenging is new staff not having the back story on
items that arise and issues that come up and having to investigate the back story on his own to advise
staff on what to do. Attorney Turonie explains he is not a substitute for the village's prior attorney, and
he is doing things the previous village attorney was not doing for the village weather those things were
the attorney's choice for not doing or the villages choice to not have the attorney do at the time.
Attorney Turonie explains eventually the attorney work for the village will catch up and the attorney
fees will decrease. For a community the size of Kronenwetter, the original budgeted legal fees would
be close to half of what other communities of similar size budget for legal fees. Attorney Turonie
suggests to the board legal fees should be divided up and each department should be paying their own
legal fees. Trustee Shaw thanks Attorney Turonie for the items he does not charge the village for and
agrees the legal budget is on the low side from his own life business experiences. Attorney Turonie
explains to avoid costly legal fees asking in advance is what should be happening. Unfortunately, not
having an attorney for a few months has led to current costly legal fees.
Voting Yea: Village President Voll, Trustee Shaw, Trustee Dumais, Trustee Vedvik, Trustee Eiden,
Trustee Coyle
Voting Nay: Trustee Charneski
Motion carries 6:1 by roll call vote.
I. Renewal of Municipal Property Insurance for 2023
Trustee Vedvik questions the assessment of the two bridges being assessed low at $661,000.00.
Trustee Charneski explains Marathon County pays half of the replacement or repairs of the bridges if
need arises. Trustee Vedvik just wants to assure the village is properly insured on all the bridges the
village owns.
Motion made by Trustee Dumais, Seconded by Trustee Shaw to renew the villages property insurance
for 2024 as presented.
Voting Yea: Village President Voll, Trustee Charneski, Trustee Shaw, Trustee Dumais, Trustee Vedvik,
Trustee Eiden, Trustee Coyle.
Motion carries 7:0 by roll call vote.
J. Discussion and Possible Action: 2024 Police Squad Car Order Approval
Police Chief Terry McHugh states the window is open to order new squads and comes up prior to the
budget every year. Chief McHugh is seeking preapproval from the board to place an order. Chief
McHugh explains the odds of the window for ordering a police squad being open in November when
the budget is being set are not good and time is of the essence. Police squads are in demand and if not
ordered during the open period time, the department may not get one.
Motion made by Trustee Eiden, Seconded by Trustee Coyle to approve the ordering of a 2024 police
squad.
Trustee Dumais requested an amendment to the motion and requested approval for Police Chief Terry
McHugh to order two police squads not to exceed $41,000.00 per squad car. Finance Director Kerstner
explains the monies will come out of the 2024 budget and advises the board to remember that when
developing the 2024 budget. Police Chief McHugh reminds the board they are looking at an average of
around $15,000.00 extra to outfit the squads so a reasonable amount the board would need to look at
would be a total of $55,000.00 per police squad. However, they have a damaged squad that occurred
tonight, and insurance will help offset those costs. President Voll suggests the outfitting of the squad
cars can come later. Motion carries 7:0 by voice vote.
Voting Yea on the agenda item and the amendment made: Village President Voll, Trustee Charneski,
Trustee Shaw, Trustee Dumais, Trustee Vedvik, Trustee Eiden, Trustee Coyle.
Motion carries 7:0 by roll call vote.
K. Discussion and Possible Approval: TID #2 Cash Flow Contract- EHLERS
APC committee directed to break the contract down into two different pieces.
(Trustee Shaw leaves at 8:34 PM and returned at 8:39 PM.)
Finance Director Kerstner explains to Trustee Charneski RDA recommended getting an outside firm to
look at the TID's due to the turnaround of the finance directors in our village to assure everything is
where it needs to be and help project where we are going and what the village can spend. Ehlers
knows a lot about TIDS and will be able to tell the village if TID 3 can borrow to TID 2 and if anything
can happen amongst these two TIDs. Ehlers would be able to answer any questions the village might
have by reviewing the information we currently have. Trustee Vedvik explains Ehler's analysis would
tell the village of any financial complications in which we decide to do. Trustee Charneski states as he
understands it, the study would not be just analyzing cash flow, it would offer more than financial
advice to the village.
Motion made by Trustee Dumais, Seconded by Trustee Shaw to approve the contract with Ehlers to
review TID2.
Voting Yea: Village President Voll, Trustee Charneski, Trustee Dumais, Trustee Vedvik, Trustee Eiden,
Trustee Coyle
Voting Abstaining: Trustee Shaw
Motion carries 6:1 (abstention) by roll call vote.
L. Discussion and Possible Approval: TID #3 & TID #4 Cash Flow Contract- EHLERS
Motion made by Trustee Dumais, Seconded by Trustee Eiden to approve the contract with Ehlers to
review the cash flow of TID 3 and TID 4. Finance Director Kerstner explains a budget amendment
would be necessary to cover the cost of the study. Trustee Dumais amends his motion to say a budget
amendment for this study must be brought forth and approved by the board prior to the study being
conducted.
Voting Yea: Village President Chris Voll, Trustee Charneski, Trustee Dumais, Trustee Vedvik, Trustee
Eiden, Trustee Coyle
Voting Abstaining: Trustee Shaw
Motion carries 6:1 (abstention) by roll call vote.
M. Discussion and Possible Action: Amendment to Ordinance Section 200-14 (A) Animals; Fees
President Voll states a discussion was asked during a previous planning commission meeting why the
village charges dog licensing fees to service animals. Administrator Kim Manley drafted up an
amendment to the village's current ordinance to remove the fee for licensing of service dogs.
Trustee Dumais states there is an ADA definition of service dogs and recommends staff be educated on
the questions they can ask owners about service dogs applying for an exemption. Trustee Dumais
explains the ADA's definition of a service dog is any dog that provides a specific task for a person's
specific disability. Staff can only ask (2) questions. #1- Is the dog required for a specific disability? #2 -
What task does that dog perform? Trustee Charneski mentions the language that was drafted for the
revised ordinance does not specifically state the word "Service" dogs. Trustee Dumais advises the
wording revised and more specific to clarify by adding the language in the revised ordinance for
owners of service dogs not be required to pay licensing fees for any service dog meeting the ADA
standards.
Tony Stange located at 1844 Judy Drive speaks on record with his service dog named Harley. Stange
mentions it is not a burden to pay the licensing fee to him but to others it might be.
Motion made by Trustee Vedvik, Seconded by Trustee Coyle to educate staff on the questions they can
ask owners of service dogs when they request to waive the fee and amend the change in language to
the ordinance.
Voting Yea: Village President Voll, Trustee Charneski, Trustee Shaw, Trustee Dumais, Trustee Vedvik,
Trustee Eiden, Trustee Coyle.
Motion carried 7:0 by roll call vote.
N. Discussion and Possible Action: Update Fee Schedule - Dogs
Administrator Manley explains she amended the fee schedule by increasing the fees slightly and to
show an exemption for service dogs and adding a fee for a duplicate dog tag license to recoup the
small fee for the replacement tags the county charges the village for the tags. Manley mentions she
did not included puppies in the ordinance because the majority of puppies cannot get a rabies
vaccination until they reach a certain age. To get a dog license from the village you have to provide
proof of rabies vaccination. The village's current fee schedule does not have a reference to puppies.
Trustee Dumais suggests identifying the age of puppies on the villages fee schedule to read "puppies 6
months and one day of age or greater will need a license." If a dog cannot have a rabies shot, the
owner must provide an exemption form their veterinarian and provide it to the village to license the
dog.
Motion by Trustee Shaw, Seconded by Trustee Coyle to increase the licensing fees for dogs 6 months
and one day of age or greater. Trustee Coyle suggests updating the language for the dog fees on the
village's website. There is no definition of "puppy" online. Make sure our website matches our fee
schedule. Trustee Shaw amends his motion to add what Trustee Coyle suggests in reference to
language and consistency on the village's website.
Motion carries 7:0 by voice vote.
Motion amended by Trustee Vedvik, Seconded by Trustee Dumais to not increases the fees for spayed
and neutered dogs' verses intact dogs but to increase the fees for duplicate tags.
Motion carries 7:0 by voice vote.
O. Discussion and Possible Action: Duane Gau Municipal Services Contract
Administrator Manley explains there is no termination language written in the current contract.
Motion made by Trustee Charneski, Seconded by Trustee Dumais to cancel the Village's current
contract with D&G Municipal Services.
Voting Yea: Village President Voll, Trustee Charneski, Trustee Shaw, Trustee Dumais, Trustee Vedvik,
Trustee Eiden, Trustee Coyle.
Motion carries 7:0 by roll call vote.
6. OLD BUSINESS
P. Update: Well #2 Water Treatment Facility Construction
Director of Public Works Leonard Ludi gave an update on the water treatment facility. Ludi has
reviewed contract language and drawings. Ludi has meetings set up with those involved to keep the
project moving forward.
7. CONSENT AGENDA
Q. Transfer of Liquor License
R. Application for Cigarette and Tabacco Products Retail License: Village Crossing APG NWI, LLC.
S. August 14, 2023, Village Board Meeting Minutes
T. August 28, 2023, Village Board Meeting Minutes
U. WisVote/Election Services Agreement with Marathon County
V. Renewal Operator (Bartender) License Application for Jackie Kasten
Motion made by Trustee Charneski, Seconded by Trustee Shaw to approve the consent agenda as
presented.
Voting Yea: Village President Voll, Trustee Charneski, Trustee Shaw, Trustee Dumais, Trustee Vedvik,
Trustee Eiden, Trustee Coyle
Motion carries 7:0 by roll call vote.
8. CLOSED SESSION
W. Consideration of motion to convene into closed session pursuant to Wis. Stat. 19.85 (1) (c) for
consideration of employment, promotion, compensation or performance evaluation data of any
public employee over which the governmental body has jurisdiction or exercises responsibility – to
wit Union negotiations 2024.
Motion by Trustee Eiden, Seconded by Trustee Vedvik to move into closed session.
Voting Yea: Village President Voll, Trustee Charneski, Trustee Shaw, Trustee Dumais, Trustee Vedvik,
Trustee Eiden, Trustee Coyle
Motion carries 7:0 by roll call vote.
President Voll invites Administrator Manley and Finance Director Lisa Kerstner to stay for closed
session. Closed session begins at 9:14 PM.
9. RECONVENE OPEN SESSION
Consideration of motion to reconvene into open session.
Open session reconvenes at 9:42 PM.
10. ACTION AFTER CLOSED SESSION
Motion made by President Voll, Seconded by Trustee Charneski to continue negotiations.
Voting Yea: Village President Voll, Trustee Charneski, Trustee Dumais, Trustee Vedvik, Trustee Eiden,
Trustee Shaw, Trustee Coyle
Motion carries 7:0 by voice vote.
11. CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDA
Trustee Dumais - Reviewing agenda setting policy and ordinance and making them congruent.
Trustee Dumais - Policy ordnance that gives direction to staff for financial budget overages.
Trustee Dumais - Discussion about plan for future growth of the village.
Trustee Dumais - Trustee Shaw's agenda item on Committees.
12. ADJOURNMENT
Motion made by President Voll, Seconded by Trustee Vedvik to adjourn.
Voting Yea: Village President Voll, Trustee Charneski, Trustee Shaw, Trustee Dumais, Trustee Vedvik,
Trustee Eiden, Trustee Coyle
Motion carries 7:0 by voice vote.
Meeting adjourned at 9:47 PM.
Minutes prepared by: Clerk Bobbi Birk-LaBarge
Minutes approved by the Village Board on November 27, 2023.
Agenda
VILLAGE BOARD MEETING AGENDA
September 25, 2023 at 6:00 PM
Kronenwetter Municipal Center - 1582 Kronenwetter Drive Board Room (Lower Level)
1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER
A. Pledge of Allegiance
B. Roll Call
2. ANNOUNCEMENT OF CLOSED SESSION
3. PUBLIC COMMENT
Please be advised per State Statute Section 19.84(2), information will be received from the public. It is the
policy of this Village that Public Comment will take no longer than 15 minutes with a three-minute time
period, per person, with time extension per the Chief Presiding Officer’s discretion. Be further advised that
there may be limited discussion on the information received, however, no action will be taken under public
comments.
4. REPORTS FROM STAFF AND VENDORS
C. Introduction: Director of Public Works and Utilities; Leonard Ludi
D. Treasurers Report & Check Run
E. Administrator's Report
5. NEW BUSINESS
F. Discuss and Consider: Guidance on Electronic Communications
G. Discuss and Consider: Open Records Request Clarification
H. Discussion and Possible Action: 2023 Budget Amendment #2
I. Renewal of Municipal Property Insurance for 2023
J. Discussion and Possible Action: 2024 Police Squad Car Order Approval
K. Discussion and Possible Approval: TID #2 Cash Flow Contract- EHLERS
L. Discussion and Possible Approval: TID #3 & TID #4 Cash Flow Contract- EHLERS
M. Discussion and Possible Action: Amendment to Ordinance Section 200-14 (A) Animals; Fees
N. Discussion and Possible Action: Update Fee Schedule - Dogs
O. Discussion and Possible Action: Duane Gau Municipal Services Contract
6. OLD BUSINESS
P. Update: Well #2 Water Treatment Facility Construction
7. CONSENT AGENDA
Q. Transfer of Liquor License
R. Application for Cigarette and Tabacco Products Retail License: Village Crossing APG NWI, LLC.
S. August 14, 2023, Village Board Meeting Minutes
T. August 28, 2023, Village Board Meeting Minutes
U. WisVote/Election Services Agreement with Marathon County
V. Renewal Operator (Bartender) License Application for Jackie Kasten
8. CLOSED SESSION
W. Consideration of motion to convene into closed session pursuant to Wis. Stat. 19.85 (1) (c) for
consideration of employment, promotion, compensation or performance evaluation data of any public
employee over which the governmental body has jurisdiction or exercises responsibility – to wit Union
negotiations 2024.
9. RECONVENE OPEN SESSION
Consideration of motion to reconvene into open session.
10. ACTION AFTER CLOSED SESSION
11. CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDA
12. ADJOURNMENT
NOTE: Requests from persons with disabilities who need assistance to participate in this meeting or hearing
should be made at least 24 hours in advance to the Village Clerk’s office at (715) 693-4200 during business
hours.
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