City Council
Regular MeetingLaconia, NH · October 12, 2021
Minutes
CITY OF LACONIA - CITY COUNCIL MEETING
October 12, 2021
7:00 P.M.
10/12/2021 - Minutes
1. CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Hosmer called the meeting to order at the above date and time.
2. SALUTE TO THE FLAG
Councilor Hamel lead the Salute to the Flag.
3. RECORDING SECRETARY
Cheryl Hebert, City Clerk
4. ROLL CALL
City Clerk Hebert took a roll call vote with the following Councilors in attendance: Bruce Cheney, Bob
Soucy, Henry Lipman, Mark Haynes, Bob Hamel, and Tony Felch
Mayor Hosmer noted for the record that all Councilor were in attendance and a quorum was established.
5. STAFF IN ATTENDANCE
Scott Myers, City Manager
Glenn Smith, Finance Director
6. COUNCIL PROCLAMATION
7. ACCEPTANCE OF MINUTES FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS
7.A. Regular meeting minutes of September 27, 2021
Minutes of the meeting were distributed to Council on Thursday, September 30, 2021. With no
corrections or changes submitted to the Clerk, the minutes will be accepted as distributed.
8. CONSENT & ACTION ITEMS
8.A. Acceptance of donations for cameras at Bartlett Beach
Brenda Martel donated $1,500, Patrick's Pub donated $750, and the WOW Trail donated $750. The
total cost of the cameras and installation is $5,000. The City will need to offset the amount by
$2,000.
Councilor Haynes moved to accept the donations from Brenda Martel, Patrick's Pub, and the WOW
Trail as described above to be used to help offset the cost of purchase and installation of cameras at
Bartlett Beach, seconded by Councilor Felch; the motion passed with all in favor.
9. CITIZEN COMMENTS FOR MATTERS NOT ON THE AGENDA
Henry Sacco, Representative of Birch Haven Association - Spoke in regards to the beach on Harglen Lane
that the City Council spoke of at the September 27 Council Meeting. They have certain concerns that they
Bartlett Beach, seconded by Councilor Felch; the motion passed with all in favor.
9. CITIZEN COMMENTS FOR MATTERS NOT ON THE AGENDA
Henry Sacco, Representative of Birch Haven Association - Spoke in regards to the beach on Harglen Lane
that the City Council spoke of at the September 27 Council Meeting. They have certain concerns that they
would like to discuss with the City Manager prior to the sale going through. Mayor Hosmer suggested
presenting those concerns via email to the City Manager.
10. INTERVIEWS
10.A. Jonathan Thurston - Seeking appointment as a regular member of the Weirs TIF
District Advisory Board to a three-year term expiring at the end of June, 2024
Jonathan Thurston was interviewed.
10.B. Scott Ringer - Seeking appointment as a regular member of the Heritage
Commission to a three-year term expiring at the end of March, 2024
Scott Ringer was interviewed.
11. NOMINATIONS, APPOINTMENTS & ELECTIONS
12. COMMUNICATIONS
13. PRESENTATIONS
13.A. Allan Beetle - WOW Trail Opechee Loop
Allan Beetle presented a PowerPoint in regards to the WOW Trail Opechee Loop. Mr. Beetle is
proposing connecting the WOW trail to make it around Lake Opechee. One part would be to make
the sidewalk on Elm Street similar to the two-lane sidewalk on Messer Street. The part of Elm Street
past Elm Street School towards Parade Road would need sidewalk improvements and hopefully
crosswalk signal at the intersection of Elm and Parade. The next part would lead into Ahern Park
towards Shore Drive. Shore Drive would need maybe some paint and signage. The end would be
Pleasant Street. These ideas would need funding and would probably need to happen in sections. A
copy of the PowerPoint is part of the record. In working with DPW and an engineer to get a scope of
the price of the first phase. The WOW Trail is in support of this and Mr. Beetle is hoping the Council
would be in support of this as well.
Mayor Hosmer appreciates this idea and explained this is another reason the State School property
is important to Laconia.
Councilor Lipman asked about the location of the trail in Ahern Park. Would it stay along the gravel
road?
Mr. Beetle is hoping that would be the case. He understands parts of that road would need some
improvement. Mr. Beetle would like to start off with the section from Union Ave to Franklin Street.
Councilor Soucy would like lighting to be considered on these trails for safety reasons. Mr. Beetle
explained that the trails are only supposed to be used from dawn to dusk.
The Council is in full support of this idea.
City Manager Myers thinks working with DPW is the right first step. The City is a recipient of the
TAP Grant (Transportation Alternative Program) through the federal money that is administered by
the State of New Hampshire. The details need to be worked through as to when that money is
coming.
Councilor Lipman just clarified that the next step is to bring back an engineering proposal to the
Council.
TAP Grant (Transportation Alternative Program) through the federal money that is administered by
the State of New Hampshire. The details need to be worked through as to when that money is
coming.
Councilor Lipman just clarified that the next step is to bring back an engineering proposal to the
Council.
14. PUBLIC HEARINGS
14.A. Public hearing of the proposed lease with EJM Holdings, LLC
Mayor Hosmer has recused himself from this item. Mayor Pro Tem Haynes has taken over.
Notice of this public hearing was made available in the September 15, 2021 edition of the Laconia
Daily Sun, and posted at Laconia City Hall, Public Library, Community Center, and the SAU.
Mayor Pro Tem Haynes opened the public hearing at 7:34 pm.
Scott McWilliam, 61 Pearl Street - Mr. McWilliam thinks the loss of 18 parking spots would hurt the
downtown businesses. He asks the Council to rethink this agreement and maybe utilize some
parking spots in the parking garage. Mr. McWilliam thinks other parking lease agreements for the
parking garage would be a good idea as well.
Patrick Wood - Ward 3 - Mr. Wood thanked Councilors Haynes and Cheney as well as the City
Manager for the meeting with himself and Mr. Sawyer in regards to moving the parking spots. A
petition was submitted to the Council suggesting the parking spaces be moved farther back. The
petition also asked the Council to review the parking. Mr. Wood suggests moving this item to one of
the Council Committees. Mr. Wood thinks a 99 year lease is too long. He also thinks the snow
removal should be spelled out in the lease agreement. He compared boat slip lease agreements to
parking spot lease agreements. Boat slips will go for thousands of dollars and they are only used for
part of the year. He also does not agree having fixed assessed values for the 99 years.
Councilor Cheney asked what Mr. Wood's suggestion would be for a reasonable amount of time for
this lease. Mr. Wood thinks five-year increments would be better. Financing issues could arise if the
buyers did not having parking.
Councilor Hamel stated for the last 20 years he has never had a hard time finding a parking spot
downtown. He does think we need to start utilizing the parking behind the church.
Robert Sawyer is in favor of Patrick Wood's suggestions. Mr. Sawyer has spoken to many of the
downtown business owners and he would like to see the parking spaces closer to their businesses
open and moving the proposed leased spaces further away. The suggestion is to move the proposed
spaces to the back corner of the City Hall parking lot. Mr. Sawyer also spoke to some of the
potential Colonial apartment owners and they do not want to take away from the current businesses.
Mr. Sawyer noted that most people visiting the downtown area businesses are not staying for hours,
they are in and out. We do not need long term parking.
Mark Condodemetraky, 8 Edgewater Ave - He is in agreement with Mr. Sawyer and Mr. Wood. He is
also concerned with the language and terms of the lease. He is in full support of the Colonial
redevelopment and this will have long term benefits for the City. He thinks there should be more
details in regards to the snow period. There should me something in the lease that defines the
penalties to the lessee for failure to remove their vehicles during a snow period. In section 6.4 of the
lease, it talks about the fixed assessed value for the term of the lease, he is not sure that is legal.
Mr. Condodemetraky also stated there is a demand for parking and the City could benefit by this.
Mr. Condodemetraky thinks the solution is having these 18 spaces essentially end up in the parking
garage once that is done. In the interim, the spaces need to be in the back part of the City Hall
parking lot.
Bre Neal - Mrs. Neal suggests using the lot behind the Church that the City purchased for the
Colonial apartments. Mrs. Neal is concerned about the Commercial overlay district. The City has
historically always told residents that live downtown that they need to park in the parking garage.
Michelle Rush, Gilford resident - In the process of purchasing one of the condo's above the Colonial.
She does not want to impede on any of the businesses. She would like to the Council also to take
Bre Neal - Mrs. Neal suggests using the lot behind the Church that the City purchased for the
Colonial apartments. Mrs. Neal is concerned about the Commercial overlay district. The City has
historically always told residents that live downtown that they need to park in the parking garage.
Michelle Rush, Gilford resident - In the process of purchasing one of the condo's above the Colonial.
She does not want to impede on any of the businesses. She would like to the Council also to take
into consideration people who work in the evening and may not feel safe walking from the behind the
Church in the evenings. She also does not want to see parking in front of businesses taken away.
She would love to have a parking spot in the parking garage once it is redone.
Jim Daubenspeck (Daub's Cobbler Shop) - He is excited about what has been happening downtown.
The biggest thing he would like to mention is parking enforcement. He thinks this needs to be
addressed year round, not just through the summer months.
Charlie St. Clair (via Zoom) - Mr. St. Clair agrees with Pat Woods' proposal and also agrees with Bre
Neal.
Hearing no other comments from the public, Mayor Pro Tem Haynes closed the public hearing at
8:12 pm.
14.B. Public hearing on an application for tax relief under RSA: 79-E for the property at
51 Elm Street
Mayor Hosmer rejoined the meeting at 8:13 pm.
Notice of this public hearing was made available in the September 29, 2021 edition of the Laconia
Daily Sun, and posted at Laconia City Hall, Public Library, Community Center, and the SAU.
Mayor Hosmer opened the public hearing at 8:14 pm.
Ron DeCouler representing ownership of 51 Elm Street - stated he was present in case anyone has
any questions regarding the application.
Hearing no other comments from the public, Mayor Hosmer closed the public hearing at 8:15 pm.
15. MAYOR'S REPORT
Mayor Hosmer spoke of a proposed letter that he intends on sending to Executive Councilor Joseph
Kenney with consensus from the Council regarding the Executive Council voting on the marketing of the
State School property. He read an excerpt from the letter: "On behalf of the Laconia City Council, I request
you oppose this contract. The City of Laconia has done more than its fair share in carrying this property on
behalf of the state for over 100 years. We ask that any contract for the sale of the property include a
strongly worded provision that calls for the City Council being consulted and in formal support of any
proposed marketing and sale. This collaborative relationship would ensure the property being used for its
highest and best purpose as determined by residents of the City. Again Councilor Kenney, thank you for
your support and I hope you are able to persuade your colleagues of how important it is for the City of
Laconia to have a significant role in the marketing, sale, and development of the land."
Councilor Soucy would like the letter to be worded in a stronger way.
Councilor Lipman recommends suggesting to Executive Councilor Kenney to table this item to have more
time to work with his fellow Councilors. He is more likely to get a tabled motion rather than just voting it
down.
Councilor Soucy wants to know if our County Delegation has spoken about this at all.
Councilor Cheney agrees with suggesting to table this item.
Mayor Hosmer will try to phone Executive Councilor Kenney this evening and will mention the tabling idea,
as well as reiterate how the City of Laconia feels.
Councilor Cheney agrees with suggesting to table this item.
Mayor Hosmer will try to phone Executive Councilor Kenney this evening and will mention the tabling idea,
as well as reiterate how the City of Laconia feels.
Mayor Hosmer mentioned the homeless situation throughout the City. The task force was able to open a
low barrier shelter last winter but was only used a few times due to the timing of it opening. The working
groups for the task force did a very good job. Mayor Hosmer would like to make the Task Force a
permanent committee under the Council. He will be reaching out to the Council to discuss this with them.
This is an issue that needs to be prioritized.
16. COUNCIL COMMENTS
Councilor Felch voiced a concern about the unique property that the City sold at the last meeting. Councilor
Felch explained when he voted on that property he was under the impression it was a different property than
what the actual property was.
Councilor Lipman asked if the City Manager has any perspective on Councilor Felch's concern.
City Manager Myers explained the background on the community beach that was Councilor Felch is
referencing. City Manager Myers explained he will not sign over the deed until everyone is comfortable with
it. This is a unique property because there is only limited access to it. The City Manager has spoken to the
necessary parties, explaining they would need to figure out how they address the beach, maybe forming a
beach association. He also explained that nobody has lost any of their deeded beach rights. There are
three distinct neighborhoods around this beach.
Councilor Felch is concerned with any legal problems if we were confused as to which property we were
voting on.
City Manager Myers explained in the minutes it defines which property was being voted on by referencing
the Tax Map and Lot.
Councilor Lipman recommends that we follow the vote that the Council made on September 27, 2021.
City Manager Myers will keep the Council updated.
Councilor Felch would like to find out if the other people that have deeded rights, if they are allowed to join
this association.
City Manager Myers explained he thinks an overlay association would need to be formed for this particular
beach, but that is the responsibility of them.
Councilor Hamel asked if it would be prudent for the City to send out letters to the residents to explain what
was discussed this evening?
City Manager Myers explained he has spoken to a person on Bobby Way today and he said he would send
out notification to the other residents. He explained the word is out in the affected neighborhoods.
17. COMMITTEE REPORTS
17.A. FINANCE (Lipman (Chair), Hamel, Cheney)
17.A.i. WOW Trail Funding
17.A.ii. Downtown TIF Financing
17.B. PUBLIC SAFETY (Cheney (Chair), Soucy, Lipman)
17.C. GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS & ORDINANCES (Soucy (Chair), Felch, Cheney)
17.A.ii. Downtown TIF Financing
17.B. PUBLIC SAFETY (Cheney (Chair), Soucy, Lipman)
17.C. GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS & ORDINANCES (Soucy (Chair), Felch, Cheney)
City Manager Myers explained the proposed Ward population shifts. A map was displayed using
colors to explain the proposed ward boundary changes. Both a copy of the map and an explanation
sheet is included for the record. With the proposed changes, we would lose the Beane Conference
Center as a voting location in Ward 1. State law requires polls to be within the Ward boundary lines.
The City Clerk is in the process of looking at alternatives.
Councilor Lipman wanted to make sure the public is aware that the voting location in ward 1 would
not change until 2022.
Councilor Lipman would also like this made available to the public sooner rather than later.
Councilor Cheney suggests having a map with the current boundary lines as well as the proposed
changes available for the public to view as soon as possible. Councilor Cheney would also like to
see a before and after snapshot.
City Manager Myers said we will schedule one more Government Operations and Ordinance meeting
to get confirmation and then bring it to the full Council for consensus, and then it will be available for
viewing at the polls.
17.C.i. Review of Chapter 167, Noise and Chapter 161 Licensing as it pertains to
outdoor sound equipment and loudspeakers
17.C.ii. Ordinance Amending Chapter 221, Vehicles and Traffic/Parking on Sublawns
17.C.iii. Procedural review of grant applications
17.C.iv. Regulation of Short Term Residential Rental Businesses
17.C.v. Proposed Historic Overlay District
17.C.vi. Scenic Road Motorcycle Noise Petition
17.C.vii. Use of public property by for-profit entities
17.C.viii. Short Term Rentals
17.D. LANDS & BUILDINGS (Hamel (Chair), Haynes, Felch)
17.D.i. Downtown parking garage
Councilor Hamel would like to schedule a Lands & Buildings meeting on October 25 2021 at
6:00 pm.
17.D.ii. Repair & maintenance of City buildings
17.D.iii. Perley Pond Maintenance
17.D.iv. Plan for the DPW Compound
17.D.v. Continuation of the discussion regarding parking in the Lakeport area
17.E. PUBLIC WORKS (Haynes (Chair), Felch, Soucy)
17.E.i. Retaining Wall Policy
17.D.v. Continuation of the discussion regarding parking in the Lakeport area
17.E. PUBLIC WORKS (Haynes (Chair), Felch, Soucy)
17.E.i. Retaining Wall Policy
17.E.ii. Discussion for converting from a manual to an automated solid waste
curbside collection service
18. LIAISON REPORTS
Councilor Hamel stated that there will not be Christmas Village again this year because of COVID. LRPA
has stated they would produce three one-hour shows pertaining to Christmas Village. If there is a parade
Christmas Village will participate in that.
19. CITIZENS REQUESTS TO COMMENT ON CURRENT AGENDA ITEMS
No comments were made.
20. CITY MANAGER'S REPORT
20.A. Financial and Operational Trends Report
City Manager Myers reviewed the report.
Mayor Hosmer requested that the City Manager add the previous years ambulance billing cycle and
to present it some time in November or December just to show a comparison.
Court Street Bridge will be closed next Monday, October 18, 2021, safety services and the State is
fully aware. The State has installed temporary lights at the end of the bypass on Prescott Hill.
Pedestrians can use the WOW trail and there is signage stating so.
21. NEW BUSINESS
22. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
22.A. Proposed lease agreement with EJM Holdings, LLC
This item was discussed after 22B.
Mayor Hosmer recused himself from this item.
Councilor Cheney moved to waive a reading of the proposed lease with EJM Holdings, LLC in its
entirety and to read by title only, seconded by Councilor Lipman; the motion passed with all in
favor.
Councilor Felch would like to see all 18 spots be at the back of the City Hall parking lot, not split into
two different lots. He is opposed to the length of the lease and the pricing of the lease. The proposed
pricing is barely going to cover our expenses for winter maintenance.
Councilor Lipman would like to see this item tabled to give the City Manager more time to work
through more details of the lease before any final decisions are made.
City Manager Myers noted that after meeting with Pat Wood, Councilor Cheney and Mr. Sawyer, it
was suggested moving the spots from the front row of the City Hall parking lot to the back portion of
the parking lot. Everyone was in agreement with this move. A copy of the proposed parking spots are
included for the record. This would be less of an impact on the two-hour spots. City Manager Myers
explained if the Council chose to move forward with the lease tonight, the motion could reflect an
amendment with the new proposed parking spots. City Manager Myers stated he would hope we
would not have issues with tenants moving their vehicles. The City already has a few spots leased
out to tenants of another location, and we have not had any issues. City Manager Myers explained
the bigger picture is that it isn't all about the revenue of these spots. It was about getting a
the parking lot. Everyone was in agreement with this move. A copy of the proposed parking spots are
included for the record. This would be less of an impact on the two-hour spots. City Manager Myers
explained if the Council chose to move forward with the lease tonight, the motion could reflect an
amendment with the new proposed parking spots. City Manager Myers stated he would hope we
would not have issues with tenants moving their vehicles. The City already has a few spots leased
out to tenants of another location, and we have not had any issues. City Manager Myers explained
the bigger picture is that it isn't all about the revenue of these spots. It was about getting a
"mothballed" project completed. The residential units were going to be mothballed because the City
did not receive all of the funds that were needed, such as the New Market Tax Credits. By being able
to bring on 9 units to the tax rolls, that is where the payback to the City comes from. Three years
ago, the Council mentioned going to paid parking and at that time, it was not feasible. Knowing we
do not have a paid parking program, the City does not want to be chasing monthly parking rent, that
is why it is proposed to be paid in five-year increments. City Manager Myers is in full support of
putting language into the lease agreement that once the parking garage is complete, the spots could
be moved in there. Rusty McLear pointed out that when someone is trying to get financing, parking
is essential for approval. City Manager Myers can present the parking garage option to Mr. McLear.
Councilor Hamel agrees with what the City Manager just stated. There was a steering committee on
this. When the City did not receive the New Market Tax Credits, the two floors above the Colonial
would have been left untouched. There has already been $14 million invested in downtown and we
can already see the benefits. The time frame of 99 years is a concern of Councilor Hamel. He
suggested looking at it every five years as well as adding the parking garage option once that project
is completed.
City Manager Myers believes Rusty McLear needs this document completed to wrap up his
financing in order to sell the units. City Manager Myers stated, if there is consensus from the
Council, he would bring to Rusty McLear the proposed new parking spots, and will discuss lowering
the terms from 99 years to 40 years, and also include the parking garage transition.
Councilor Hamel moved to extend the meeting, seconded by Councilor Felch; the motion passed
with all in favor.
Councilor Cheney asked if the City Manager could survey other City's or Towns that are leasing
parking spaces and see what they are charging. Councilor Cheney likes the idea of 40 years rather
than 99 years. Councilor Cheney would also like to see what the fair market value is for leasing
parking spots.
Councilor Lipman doesn't want to see us undermine the investment that is being made here over the
price of a parking space.
Councilor Felch mentioned moving all 18 spaces to where the proposed 10 spaces are.
Councilor Haynes stated there have been some reasonable changes but we need to stop nickel and
diming this issue.
Councilor Lipman moved to table this item to allow the City Manager to tighten up the proposed
lease, seconded by Councilor Cheney; the motion passed with all in favor.
22.B. Review and discussion on an application for tax relief under RSA: 79-E for the
property at 51 Elm Street
This item was discussed prior to 22A.
City Manager Myers reviewed the background to this item. If the Council were to approve tax relief
tonight, the baseline assessment of where the property stands today, becomes the baseline of the
property assessment until the project becomes substantially completed. Right now the lots have
been merged from a planning perspective, for assessment purposes the lots are still two different lots
as the tax year runs from April 1st through March 31st every year. The assessed values for each lot
are $53,100 and $60,500. Once they are merged, the assessed value will be about $80-$90,000. The
anticipated date of substantial completion of the project is expected to be December, 2023. The
governing body may grant such tax assessment relief for a period of up to 5 years, beginning with
the completion of the substantial rehabilitation.
Councilor Lipman is in support of the Council using this incentive. He also said the most recent one
as the tax year runs from April 1st through March 31st every year. The assessed values for each lot
are $53,100 and $60,500. Once they are merged, the assessed value will be about $80-$90,000. The
anticipated date of substantial completion of the project is expected to be December, 2023. The
governing body may grant such tax assessment relief for a period of up to 5 years, beginning with
the completion of the substantial rehabilitation.
Councilor Lipman is in support of the Council using this incentive. He also said the most recent one
we approved, we tied the approval with when the expected tenancy would be.
City Manager Myers explained it wasn't really tied to tenancy, it was approved until April of 2023
based on that developers timeframe of completion. They are paying taxes based on $600,000 right
now.
Mayor Hosmer asked if it is the will of the Council to grant this tax relief up to five years.
Councilor Lipman suggests making it somewhat comparable to the last one we just did.
City Manager Myers explained a decision does not have to be made tonight. The Council could list
the public benefits to this and then work out the terms and vote at a later date.
Councilor Soucy does not want to see us deter the developer.
Mayor Hosmer, in consensus with the Council, stated the the public benefits to this project are:
1. It enhances the economic vitality of the downtown, this being Lakeport
2. It promotes development of municipal centers, providing for efficiency, safety, and a greater sense
of community, and
3. It increases residential housing in urban or town centers, going from 16 residential units to 20
residential units.
Councilor Felch moved to table this item, seconded by Councilor Lipman; the motion passed with
all in favor.
23. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS
23.A. Master Plan
23.B. Milfoil Treatment funding requests
23.C. Sewer & Water Master Plan
23.D. Single Stream Recycling/Concord Co-op/Solid Waste disposal cost reductions
23.E. Strategic Planning/Goal Setting
23.F. WOW Trail
23.G. Weirs Beach Restoration Project
23.H. Fair St/Court St traffic problems and accidents
24. Any other business that may come before the Council
25. NON-PUBLIC SESSION (According to RSA 91-A:3, II)
26. ADJOURNMENT
With no further business to come before the Council and hearing no objection, Mayor Pro Tem Haynes
adjourned the meeting at 10:05 pm.
26. ADJOURNMENT
With no further business to come before the Council and hearing no objection, Mayor Pro Tem Haynes
adjourned the meeting at 10:05 pm.
Respectfully submitted
Cheryl Hebert, City Clerk
MINUTES OF THIS MEETING WERE APPROVED BY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 25, 2021
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