Planning Board
Regular MeetingLaconia, NH · March 4, 2014
Minutes
Laconia Planning Board Minutes March 4, 2014
Approved April 1, 2014
Present: W. Hutchins, Chairman; J. Mailloux, Secretary; D. Richards, G. Denio, L. Guild, C. Smith,
B. Baer, D. Bownes
Absent: W. Contardo, J. Tivnan, D. Vachon
Staff: S. Saunders, B. Loughlin
I. Call to Order
W. Hutchins called the meeting to order at 6:30 pm. He introduced the new members from the
City Council, David Bownes and alternate Brenda Baer.
II. Presentation
Luke Powell to give presentation on City Stormwater Project
The presentation ended at 7:05 pm.
W. Hutchins seated C. Smith in W. Contardo’s absence.
III. Public Hearings
W. Appl#PL2014-0016CUP (wetland buffer)
46 Lucerne Ave MBL 155-254-18
Proposal to install driveway for a separate entrance into the property
(Application will be continued per applicant request)
No vote was needed.
2. Sign Ordinance revision to the City Zoning Ordinance section 235-51, the purpose is to
amend the ordinance to keep up with new sign technology
(Recommendation to Council)
S. Saunders explained the procedure. The Zoning Task Force (ZTF) has been working on several
projects in the ordinance: PUD, chicken, floodplain and the sign ordinance. The ZTF put together
a draft for the signs which includes the table of permitted signs. Per state statute, a public
hearing has to occur at the Planning Board level. The Board’s job is to hear input from the public
and change things, if any are needed, then recommend the revisions to City Council. Council can
adopt the revisions or have another public hearing. S. Perley walked through the changes for the
Board.
S. Perley said the ZTF made a difference between on-premise and off-premise signs. An example
of the off-premise would be a billboard. Some things that were revised was to extend the time
limit of temporary signs after a holiday or an event, extension of election signs, allowing a
different copy on either side of a sign instead of the same copy on each side, clarification of the
wall sign language, language was added to regulate off premise signs, and just a few word
changes. New language is proposed to be added on lighting orientation and illumination
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standards and electronic signs. The definitions were updated to be clearer. Two additions were
added to the table of sign regulations were electronic changeable copy and electronic message
center. Electronic changeable copy would not be allowed in residential areas and electronic
message center would be allowed with a special exception. S. Saunders said the revisions would
only apply to new signs or replacement of signs. D. Bownes asked in terms of the sign ordinance
now, who it applies to and S. Saunders said any existing sign would be grandfathered. Only new
or changes would be affected. There had been many complaints about the brightness and safety
issues to traffic and the revisions should tone that down to a certain level. The changes will not
create anymore work or take extra time for the Zoning Technician when applications are
received, it might take less time. The fees wouldn’t go up. S. Perley said she and K. Snow met
with one sign supplier and found that most of the new signs are computer generated and
programmable from a desk. There are 3 sign manufactures of the electronic signs in the US. A
company called Watchfire handles the northeast and most companies deal with them. These
signs are not cheap.
Pubic: Jeff Flanders, business owner of Byse Agency on Union Ave, said they are in process of
improving their signage and originally, their proposal was to have electronic changeable copy as
a second phase of the sign process. They are in the Professional Zone and electronic changeable
copy is not allowed. Down the road, in the other zones, electronic changeable copy is allowed.
Randy Brough, a taxpayer and the Public Library Director, said it will be a welcomed change to
be able to have a sign. A lot goes on in the library and they advertise every possible way. He
thinks it would be nice to have a sign to highlight programs going on that day. He likes the Taylor
Home’s sign and would like one similar. He hopes the changes pass.
John Moriarty spoke as the Vice Chair of the Public Library, President of Laconia Main Street
Initiative, a tax payer and a Zoning Task Force member, thinks this is moving in the right
direction. This area was a bit of question with the Zoning Task Force. He is eager to say Laconia a
thriving economy. Look at the size of Laconia and compare it to other towns in the area. Laconia
has substantial economy. He encouraged the three “villages” to be looked at as connected
groups of borrows instead. If the business doesn’t have the tools needed to compete, the
vitality would be taken away. Laconia will not look like Las Vegas. A changing sign vs static sign:
if the change is within 15 or so seconds, it will still be a static sign when being looked at. The
open neon signs he believes are prohibited and asked what else is prohibited and still allowed to
be in windows. S. Saunders said the time to change is one minute and that was changed to was
once an hour and before that it was once every 5 minutes. J. Mailloux thinks the sign for the
library needs to be as good as the library books. S. Saunders noted that we can’t tread on
freedom of speech but can restrict inflammatory language. We can look at the size, shape and
placement of sign. S. Perley said they get a lot of signs at the ZBA level and have the authority to
restrict them there. S. Saunders said only strict zone is Downtown Riverfront.
Steve Weeks Sr, a business owner and on the Zoning Task Force, has a concern with the time
limit change and thinks the changeable and electronic signs should be the same amount of time
to change. He feels need to be flexible that all signs in the commercial corridor should have a
computer sign because of competition. The types of signs should be allowed to be the same in
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the commercial corridor. H. McLean asked if there was a rationale and S. Saunders said yes the
down town people don’t want the digital changeable signs and instead of leaving down town
and be hit by electronic message center, it would be a gradual change. The time allowed to
change is set high because it goes from nothing to flashing. S. Saunders thinks the struggle is
that the average person doesn’t see the different zones but just a commercial corridor. H.
McLean noted that a lot of businesses are grandfathered.
W. Hutchins said having been in the restaurant business for many years, signage is big. He feels
that too much is being put on a sign and the signs can’t be read. The Trustworthy sign is
extremely effective and safe.
Paul Goodwin, of Watermark Marine, said the flaw in the concept, encouraging people to have
electronic and not changeable copy. S. Saunders agreed and said that will change.
Brian gilbert, of Gilbert Block, thinks a solution to the hard to read signs would be to allow the
business to have bigger print about an event and allow movable copy or a scroll. Currently, the
property is in the “I” zone and would be able to have that. S. Saunders noted that if the chart
changes, it would be changed in that zone to not be allowed. B Gilbert said the road is long and
straight. There are scrolling letters on the highway and 106 where the speed is much higher. S.
Perley said the attention needs to be focused on the sign to show longer. W. Hutchins will
consider that. B. Gilbert has had no accidents in front of his place. He thinks signs regulations
hold back the ability to advertise.
Jeff Flanders appreciated the Board’s interest in the matter.
John Moriarty said the library sits on the corner where 3 zones of allowance converge but not
on the library property. He agrees with Mr. Weeks about the ability for the businesses to
compete. The library wants to build a structure with a changeable component, to convey both
written and non-written messages.
W. Hutchins closed the public hearing.
Not that many major changes request and could move the process along. S. Saunders said the
change of the n to a p would be ok to recommend with changes but to change the time limits
will need further public hearing.
Motion: L. Guild made the motion to recommend the sign ordinance with the revisions to the
City Council and D. Richards seconded the motion. D. Bownes thinks that with the discussion
about the time allowance, he would suggest looking further into it and bring it back to the Board
before going to the Council. L. Guild said a lot of time has been put into the time signs should
change and he thinks this is the best the Zoning Task Force came up with. J. Mailloux said the
decisions will always be challenged to do more. He would amend to change the e in the
electronic message center to the p zones. S. Saunders hears the will of the people but cautioned
the Board to not turn Laconia into Tilton or Las Vegas. Technology is changing and we need to
make sure to keep up but also need to think long term. The New England style should be kept.
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W. Hutchins supports the comment that the ZBA is competent. L. Guild amended his motion to
make the revisions and then bring that back to the Planning Board. D. Bownes abstained. The
motion passed.
The public hearings ended at 8:16 pm
IV. Extensions
1. Appl# PL2012-0002SP, PL2012-0003CUP(marina), PL2012-004CUP(parking), PL2012-
0014CUP(long term boat storage) and PL2012-0015CUP (water body buffer), 1218 Union
Ave, Map/Lot 325-220-3, Watermark Marine is requesting an extension for the completion
date.
a. Plan revisions: done
b. Site Improvement Security: done
c. Mylar Final Plans: done
d. Completion: March 5, 2013, ext to March 4, 2014, new request March 3, 2015
Applicant: Paul Goodwin represented the application. He is seeking one year for the completion.
He said he has had every challenge thrown at him. Last year there was the lawsuit about the
docks and it was sort of a successful win. He has been real busy and accomplished a few things.
The landscaping along Union Ave was finished and the sign has been put in. The Façade is
almost done. He has a building permit to put in a temporary wall up inside the structure. There
was a major crack in the foundation and a new foundation may need to be put in. He also has a
building permit to block off that corner and deal with it. He is hoping to pour concrete next
week to make the floor even and level. He has an electrical permit and hoping to be in by
Memorial Day. He has to.
S. Saunders had no issues with approval of the extension.
Motion: D. Richards made the motion to approve the extensions with the dates stated and L.
Guild seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
2. Appl# 2013-0096SU, 0097CUP (wetland buffer), 640 Elms St MBL 309-71-2, is requesting an
extension for site security.
a. Plan Revisions: December 3, 2013 – complete
b. Site improvement security: January 7, 2013, ext to March 4, 2014, new request
December 2, 2014
c. Mylar, Final plan: January 7, 2013, ext to March 4, 2014
d. Completion: December 2, 2014
Applicant: Jon Rokeh was present and stated that they are knocking things off as they go. The
only thing left is the site security. They received the shoreland permit, AOT is all set, and the
final plans are done and submitted. Everything is in line and they are waiting to close on the
property. The project will not take long, only a month or so to build it out, so the completion
date should be ok.
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S. Saunders had no issues with approval of the extension.
Motion: D. Richards made the motion to approve the extension with the dates stated and G.
Denio seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
3. Appl# PL2013-0121SP, 12 Veteran’s Sq MBL 432-225-3, The Holy Grail, is requesting an
extension for plan revisions, site security and final plans.
a. Plan Revision: December 3, 2013, ext to Feb 7, 2014; new request Dec 2, 2014
b. Site Improvement Security: Jan 7, 2014, ext to March7, 2014; new request Dec 2, 2014
c. Mylar, final plans: Jan 7, 2014, ext to March 7, 2014; new request Dec 2, 2014
d. Completion: December 2014
Applicant: S. Saunders spoke to the request because the applicants were unable to come. They
are still working through the final closings and only need the lighting detail. A mylar will not be
required because it is a site plan. The dumpster will be in the parking lot and access would be
through the church.
Motion: D. Richards made the motion to approve the extension with the dates stated and G.
Denio seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
V. Application Acceptance
None
VI. New Business
Shanna Saunders to give presentation on the Veterans Square redesign concept – S. Saunders
gave a brief history of the area. This section was in the Master Plan and the EPA reports as
proposed for a mini traffic roundabout. The area was identified by 2 groups during the
architectural engineering design. The area has a confusing intersection. When 12 Veteran’s
Square proposal came in and the church wanting a new driveway, she thought it would be a
good time to look at the intersection. The water line is being extended so the road will be pulled
up anyway. TEC did the 2-way traffic design already so they had the data and layers. The amount
ended up to be $575.00. S. Saunders met with several in the area, like the WOW people,
Veteran’s Square, DOT and the bank. Police and Public Works comments were put into the
rendition that she went to council with. They are looking to make the navigation easier for those
that aren’t familiar with the area. The plan reduces the amount of pavement so pedestrian
crossing will end up where the shortest points are. C. Smith was disappointed that the plan got
kicked to the back burner. He works at the bank and walks it every day. He said there is no
crosswalk across New Salem Street. With the snow you can’t see what is coming along the
corner. S. Saunders said the traffic consultant recommended the spaces next to the flower shop
be removed. The spaces are on private property and the owners didn’t want them removed. The
new church design will give some parking back to the city along the back, so there will be no loss
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of spaces. Council asked for a public hearing to be scheduled. D. Richards asked if there were
any pedestrian lighting for crossing and was told no. D. Richards would put more emphasis on
signage because cars will back up with stop signs. J. Mailloux thinks the shorter pavement will
make the area safer. D. Richards thinks with the street being open, it would be a time to put in a
signal. C. Smith said that people have been hit there. D. Richards said there are lots of handicap
and elderly in the downtown area. S. Saunders will bring up that concern. D. Richards looking at
safety for both vehicles and pedestrians. S. Saunders did look at stop signs but traffic already
backs up. H. McLean asked if this project moves forward, would the Highway Dept do the work
or would it go out to bid and S. Saunders said the Highway Dept would do what they can and if
needed to be then possibly would go out to bid. W. Hutchins said Frank Tilton called him about
the plan because he saw the Council Meeting on TV. He pointed out that currently it is a natural
round about. Franklin’s concern was to not lose the traffic flow on all sides. His opinion was that
it was safer as it is. S. Saunders said it was not quite a traffic circle and she could ask the
engineering company to do a sketch for a rotary. The plan would minimize the pavement and
have the safest pedestrian crossing. D. Bownes asked if there is a statistical analysis and S.
Saunders said the Police Dept has and she should have that for the public hearing next month.
W. Hutchins believes it will eventually be 2-way and would preplan with that in mind, customer
convenience. J. Mailloux would rather like to see a safer pedestrian way than wait for the 2-way
traffic pattern. The bridge was going to determine the future of the 2-way and it is not 2-way
compatible. The changes to down town are monumental. S. Saunders thinks it fair that the city
agrees on the design concept and can hold on to it for future review or funding if no one wants
to do it now. The water line will come up from Main Street to halfway up the Veteran’s Square
proposal. S. Saunders asked the board if the liked the concept or if it should be changed and
asked if they liked the rotary concept instead. D. Richards asked how much it would be to have
the rotary designed and was told maybe around $300.00. She asked for the board to vote to get
the design done and then bring the proposal back again for a public hearing in May. D. Bownes
asked what good a round-about proposal will do because it will have traffic from 2 directions
and J. Mailloux agreed. S. Saunders said they would take what is functioning and design it better
for cars and pedestrians. The lanes would be tightened up and it will be more aesthetically
pleasing and pedestrian crosswalks would be added. There would be different curb lines and
bump outs. D. Richards thinks others will ask about the roundabout and thought it be a good
idea to be looked at. The board agreed.
VII. Old Business
1. Appl# PL2011-0024SP, PL2011-0026CUP (steep slope), PL2011-0027CUP (wetlands)
553 Weirs Blvd Map/Lot 216-248-12, 13
Brady Sullivan Langley Cove
Update on the proposal to build a 291 unit condominium development with the secondary
access through the Paugus Woods Development off White Oaks Road.
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S. Saunders said the Langley Cove folks are meeting with the ConCom tomorrow night about
open space on the parcel. ConCom does not want hunting on the property. The ConCom will
come up with recommendations for the Planning Board.
VIII. Reports
A. Planning Department Report: S. Saunders Main Street Bridge is moving forward for a
March 10 start date, weather permitting. If there are any questions on the detour plans,
she asked the Board to let her know. She is in process of getting all that on a website. She
is working with the FW Webb folks to come up with easement language on the
Riverwalk. Move forward in the spring with cons and maybe some Brownsfields grants.
There was coal ash found on the property. LRPC received Brownsfields grants from the
EPA and the Community Action Program in concord as well received grants. The hope is
to have cleanup money from both. L. Guild asked where the coal would have come from
because they didn’t heat with coal and S. Saunders said it was being looked into.
Washington Street: The impact fee was assess for 3 duplex and reassessed for the 2 new
ones because there was already one existing on the property. The project is completed,
except for landscaping and the patio. The Council approved the PUD language and the
floodplain ordinance language. FEMA should be close to closing us out. S. Saunders
signed off on The North Lodges project. The foundation is in and the structure should be
done by the end of the season. The Hathaway house agreed to stall the demolition of the
structure and there is a meeting tomorrow. The NH preservation alliance did an
assessment and will be able to discuss what the price would be to move the building, to
see if that would be a reality or not. The village visioning process is finishing up for
architecture. The last meeting had 8 in-person participants but online had over 100
participants. She wants to move forward on the Master Plan and really needs input from
the public and for them to get involved. There needs to be a better turn out. J. Mailloux
asked if the extensions could be at the beginning of the agenda and S. Saunders will look
into it. D. Bownes said when the Veteran’s Square was before Council, it got a low
priority vote. W. Hutchins thinks it was wise to ask for a public hearing on the Veteran’s
Square project.
IX. Liaison Reports
A. Lakes Region Planning Commission: W. Hutchins said the Commission is focused on
the regional plan that is due in June. The Senator is having a Lakes Region
Transportation meeting at LRCC Friday. The roads and bridges are desperately in need of
repair. Half of them are owned by State and half owned by the municipalities.
B. Conservation Commission: W. Contardo was absent. S. Saunders gave a report. April
19 is an Earth Day event at the transfer station. The Black Brook RFQ was finalized. New
open space easements are moving forward. The work on Langley Cove open space
preservation is in process. A recruiting event is being scheduled for the spring.
Additional Publicity for the Emerald Ash Borer is in process. The natural resource area
map that shows the high priority protection areas is finished. W. Hutchins asked D.
Richards how the park was coming about and was told well. The theater is almost done.
Everything is on time and on schedule. The State is coming through with a grant for the
playground equipment.
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C. City Council: D. Bownes had nothing to report.
C. Smith reminded the Board that Election Day is coming up for Executive Council on Tuesday. J.
Mailloux thanked the council for attending. D. Bownes was shocked as well that no one had
been representing the Council for the past few years.
X. Other Business
XI. Minutes
Approval of the minutes from February 4
Motion: J. Mailloux made the motion to approve the minutes and D. Bownes seconded the
motion. The motion passed unanimously.
XII. Adjournment
Motion: D. Richards made the motion to adjourn and G. Denio seconded the motion.
The meeting adjourned at 9:28 pm.
Respectfully,
K. Graham`
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