Planning and Zoning Commission
Regular MeetingLake Havasu City, AZ · October 1, 2014
Minutes
Lake Havasu City
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Regular Meeting Minutes - Final Lake Havasu City, Arizona 86403
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Planning and Zoning Commission
Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:00 AM
Regular Meeting
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Liesen called the meeting to order at 9:00a.m.
2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Chairman Liesen lead in the Pledge of Allegiance.
3. ROLL CALL
Let the record show that Mr. Still and Mr. Gorden called Chairman Liesen to inform him they
would not be present.
Mr. Kendig and Ms. Cunningham were seated.
Present: 5- Donald Bergen, Chairperson Jim Liesen, John Kendig, Christy
Cunningham and Doug Hardy
Absent: 4- Chad Nelson, Lucas Still, Mychal Gorden and Dan McGowan
4. MINUTES
Mr. Bergen made a motion to approve the minutes of the September 3, 2014, regular
meeting. The motion was seconded by Mr. Hardy and carried by the following vote:
Aye: 5 - Bergen, Chairperson Liesen, Kendig, Cunningham and Hardy
Absent: 4 - Nelson, Still, Gorden and McGowan
5. CORRESPONDENCE AND ANNOUNCEMENTS
Mr. Schmeling informed the Commission that the sound system is down and there are speakers
placed through-out the room strategically enough to capture all the sound but I would appreciate it,
just as you did earlier, if you announce the motion first and second and that will help get it in the
audio.
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Clarion and Associates, our consultants for both the General Plan and the Development Code
rewrites were in town yesterday. They had a meeting yesterday at 2:00p.m.with the sub-committee
for the Zoning Code portion of it. It was attended by a member of the general public and the
meeting was video-taped and will be available online. They discussed several elements of the first
module of the Zoning Code that dealt with the administration portion of the Code as well as the
code enforcement, or the enforcement mechanisms of the code. I won’t belabor the details but you
can find that online if you choose to. The General Plan portion is scheduled to come to town the
very end of October. We are not sure of the date at this point but I am trying not to confuse the two
elements because the General Plan is probably going to have more public participation than the
Zoning Code portion. They will begin working on module two now for the Zoning Code portion of
it. They will be back in town in January for the next scheduled visit. Once we determine the dates I
will make the announcement.
6. PUBLIC HEARING
ID 14-0506 Reconsideration of a request for a minor amendment to the approved
general development plan for Parcel “H” of Grand Island Estates to adjust
the required 10-foot side yard setback and zero foot side yard setback to
five feet on each side for Lot 32; and reducing the ten-foot rear yard to five
feet and reducing the twenty-foot front yard to fifteen feet on Lot 33.
Ms. Garry stated that in order to do a motion for reconsideration someone from the prevailing side
of the last meeting has to make a motion to reconsider. It has to be seconded, and then we can
discuss whether or not this item is going to be reconsidered. If that passes then it will go to Stuart
to give the report but you have to make a motion immediately before we can go any further.
Ms. Garry said now if you have any questions or want to discuss it before you can vote you can
certainly do that. If you want to move right on you can vote to reconsider and then we will go in
and re-discuss the item.
Mr. Hardy made a motion to reconsider with a second by Mr. Kendig. The motion
carried by the following vote:
Aye: 5 - Bergen, Chairperson Liesen, Kendig, Cunningham and Hardy
Absent: 4 - Nelson, Still, Gorden and McGowan
Mr. Schmeling stated that this is an item that you heard at your last agenda and voted to adopt or
approve with staff’s recommendations. However, it was made apparent that some individuals as
well as one of the applicants were confused as to what actually transpired. I am going to go back
and kind of re-live the PowerPoint presentation exactly how it went through.
This is for two lots in Parcel H on the island. Mr. Schmeling stated this is a typical lot layout of a
property in Parcel H. You have the 20-foot front yard, 10-foot side yard, and 10-foot rear yard
setbacks. The two lots in question are 32 and 33. The applicants came to you with a joint
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application asking to have their setbacks modified. Using the grading plan PowerPoint slide, Mr.
Schmeling pointed to the arrows indicating where the drainage flow should be. You can see the
zero-foot setback on Lot 32 and the 10-foot setback as well as on Lot 33 you can see the 10-foot
rear yard, 20- foot front yard, 20 foot front, and the corresponding drainage.
The important part was the request was in two parts. One was for Lot 32 to change the side yard
setbacks to 5 feet and 5 feet. That portion of the request the Planning Commission adopted and I
don’t believe there was any confusion on that portion. The confusion came with Lot 33 on the
corner. The applicant requested that the 10-foot rear yard setback be reduced to 5 feet. He also
requested that the front yard be changed from a 20-foot setback to 15-foot setback. Next I tried to
explain to you the intent of a reverse corner lot, which is maintaining the continuity along the street
and this may have been confusing, as this change would essentially pop that house out 5 feet closer
to the side street.
Of course the findings are the same but this is what was voted on and adopted at the last meeting.
The recommendation was for Lot 32 allowing the 10-foot, zero-foot setbacks to be changed to 5
feet and 5 feet. Also, Lot 33, the rear yard setback to be reduced from the required 10 feet to 5 feet
setback and there was no recommendation for approval of the front yard to be modified. Now
when the vote came about, Mr. Nelson made the motion and had some comments about concerns
in-between, then it was seconded. I made it a point to suggest that staff recommendations were
what was being voted on. Mr. Nelson left out the staff recommendations. At this point I want to
clarify that staff recommendations were what was voted on and what was approved.
Chairman Liesen said that was a great summary of what I recall happening, I also recall there was
some discussion about the front yard because of the reverse corner nature of this. One of the
reasons we talked about bringing it back to the Commission for reconsideration is that I was under
the impression and perhaps that is because we didn’t read it as carefully as we should have to
notice that, but I was under the impression the front yard was being reduced and apparently it was
not. That was part of the confusion on behalf of the applicant and that is why we are back here
again, just to make sure it is out in the open and we can get to a conclusion. Any other questions of
staff?
Mr. Hardy stated it was on the original drawing. I think it is pretty clear what it was supposed to
be.
Mr. Liesen asked if the applicant was present and if he would like to make a presentation.
Terry Johnson stated that isn’t exactly what happened. I felt that you voted for the approval but
apparently not after looking at the paperwork a few days later. So that’s why I asked for this to be
reconsidered. I think we have two new people, John and Christie who may not be as familiar with
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this. Lucas was very familiar and he recommended it. Pretty much what I am trying to do is turn
the house. Right now the house has a front and a back yard. The back yard at one time was reduced
due to two lots down the way property lines being flipped accidently. Not the property line but the
setbacks. That shrunk the back yard in a sense of vertical mass or air space. I want to switch the
back yard to some of the side yard and making the left side more of the back yard. Even though the
front has 50 or 60 feet, my intention is not to take the whole 60 feet and pop out the corner but to
primarily take out 40 to 30 percent of that run. I don’t want the house sticking out in a nice
cul-de-sac either. I understand the concept.
Chairman Liesen opened the meeting to the public. No one spoke so Chairman Liesen closed the
public hearing.
Mr. Schmeling stated staff recommends as we did before, that land use action 15-01000001 be
approved as proposed for Lot 32, allowing the setbacks to be changed to 5 feet and 5 feet. Also for
Lot 33, for the rear yard setback to be reduced from the required 10 feet to 5 feet.
Chairman Liesen asked Mr. Schmeling if his recommendation remains the same as it was before,
without addressing this front yard issue of 5 feet?
Mr. Schmeling replied correct.
Ms. Cunningham made a motion to approve land use action 15-01000001 with staff’s
recommendations and allowing the front yard change.
Ms. Garry suggested clarifying the motion because the motion was confusing.
Ms. Cunningham asked if it is included now, the front yard change is included now, correct?
Chairman Liesen states that he thinks Ms. Cunningham’s intent is to add to the staff’s
recommendations, the allowance of this 5 foot front yard setback change. You have to form a
motion to include staff’s recommendations and that also.
I would like to make a motion to approve land use action 15-01000001 be approved with staff
recommendations and the allowance of the front yard change of the setback of 5 feet.
Mr. Bergen asked to have the motion clarified.
Chairman Liesen asked Ms. Gary if the motion was adequate.
Ms. Garry responded to let this motion fail. I think you are getting confused by adding in staff
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recommendations. Stuart’s staff recommendations are to approve the request except not to allow
those front yard setback changes to be made as requested by the applicant. So if it is your intent not
to follow staff recommendations, don’t include staff recommendations in your motion. So Stuart’s
recommendation is not to grant the applicant all aspects of what the applicant is requesting. So if
you want to approve all aspects the applicant is requesting, then you are just going to approve the
applicant’s request.
Chairman Liesen stated it was his recollection that we have done this before, added a stipulation to
staff’s recommendation.
Ms. Garry stated you can go ahead and approve with staff’s recommendations except pull out the
portion about the front yard setback, but make it really clear.
Chairman Liesen asked if we are adding to the staff recommendations. Sorry for the confusion but
her motion was to follow staff recommendations and add one more component.
Mr. Schmeling said I think it would be clearer if you just stated, specifically, for Lot 32, the change
and for Lot 33, the change. Because then it is obviously different than saying what staff
recommends. It clearly identifies the changes and then we will know what gets approved.
Chairman Liesen asked Ms. Cunningham if she wanted to modify or withdraw her motion.
Ms. Cunningham said she would like to withdraw her motion to approve land use
action 15-01000001.
Mr. Hardy asked for clarification, that this is not the front of the house anyway, it is the side yard.
Mr. Schmeling said as with any reverse corner lot, the front of the lot is determined by the width,
the narrower of the two sides which is the one on the main street, not the cul-de-sac. You are right.
However, that doesn’t prohibit someone from facing the house either direction depending on the
size and shape of the lot.
Mr. Hardy said which is the minimum of 20 feet for the front of the house.
Mr. Schmeling said the minimum in this case if you change that will be 15 feet. You have to
remember that at this point you are only dealing with the develop-ability of a vacant lot. There is
no house plan in play, we don’t know what direction the house is going to face. He could face it
either direction, he has a right to do so. I am saying you are dealing with a 65-foot by 90-foot lot.
Ms. Garry requested Mr. Schmeling quickly explain exactly what the applicant is requesting and
what parts of that you are recommending for approval and which parts you are not recommending
for approval.
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Mr. Schmeling stated the two lots that are involved in this request are Lot 32 and Lot 33. The
grading plan eloquently illustrates the setbacks with the dashed line. It shows the 10-foot side yard,
the zero-foot side yard on Lot 32. The request for Lot 32 was to change it to allow for 5-foot
setbacks on each side.
*Ms. Garry said so that is it for Lot 32 and in line with what we did for 31, 30, and 29. I don’t
think there is any misunderstanding of what is going on right there. Now the other part of the
request is where we are running into all the confusion.
Mr. Schmeling said the other part of the request is for Lot 33 and the grading plan dash marks
indicate the setback or the building envelope and once again they show zero on this side, which is
not a question, they show 10 feet in the rear and 20 feet along both fronts. The applicant has
requested to reduce this yard from 10 to 5 and he has asked to reduce this yard from 20 to 15. Very
simply stated. Staff has recommended as proposed for Lot 32, 5 and 5. Staff has recommended for
Lot 33 only a portion of his proposed request. We recommend approval of the 5 foot in the rear but
not to approve the 5 foot in the front.
Mr. Bergen stated the explanation we just received from staff seems to be appropriate. It makes
sense to me and I would move for approval of that as recommended by staff.
Chairman Liesen asked Mr. Bergen if he did not want to deal with 5 foot front yard.
Mr. Bergen said correct.
Ms. Garry requested to give the Commission one more thing to consider. Now you know what
staff’s recommendations are. Staff is making a recommendation based on planning methodology.
What they would typically recommend or approve on a normal lot. However, in this circumstance
we know there was a mistake made on one of the further up lots and that is why we have seen this
domino effect down. The applicant is saying that that has had an adverse effect on his lot and that
is why he is asking for the recommendation to not only change the side yard but also to change the
front setback. Although staff is recommending that they wouldn’t approve that front side yard to be
changed or to go with what the applicant is requesting, you as the commission can take into
consideration other things such as settlement of a claim or an adverse impact into consideration
when you are deciding whether or not to grant this applicant his request.
Chairman Liesen stated we have a motion on the floor do approve staff recommendations and only
staff recommendations. Is that right Mr. Bergen?
Mr. Bergen stated that is correct.
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Chairman Liesen asked if there is a second.
Mr. Hardy seconded the motion.
Mr. Kendig asked Mr. Schmeling what was your reasoning, without going into a lot of detail of not
wanting that to happen on Lot 33? Would it not look right?
Mr. Schmeling replied that when it comes to corner lots, there are two types of corner lots. A
standard corner lot and a reverse corner lot. This is what is called a reverse corner lot whereby the
attempt is to maintain continuity along both streets. Somebody that would drive by for example
would see a front yard or all these houses sitting back at this dashed line. The same holds true for
this direction, if they drove down the street they would see the continuity of those homes all sitting
at that same distance. It goes to a beautification of the area, front yard setback continuity. If it were
approved as proposed by the applicant this home would bump out an additional 5 feet and it would
not only look out of place but it would also change the view or the landscape if you will, driving
down that street. That is the idea behind the reverse corner lot.
Mr. Kendig stated the whole thing remains then as to which direction the builder faces the house.
Is that what it comes down to?
Mr. Schmeling clarified that the applicant can still face the house either direction. However, the
impact is still going to be the same. If it is 5 foot of the side of the house or 5 foot further forward
from the front of the house you are still going to get that visual impact. When I am coming down
the street I see all these houses set in a nice little row and then I see all of a sudden this one pops
out 5 feet. That is the impact.
Ms. Cunningham wanted to make a comment about the last meeting and the discussion about the
reverse corner lots and I think it was fairly extensive, is that the impression that the Board got? So
from my view it seems that the reverse corner lot is something that is going to be discussed as an
issue for a long time when people are trying to build on those lots. Is that not what was talked
about last time? From my perception this gentleman had a choice made not by his own doing and
in this particular lot, if it is approved, are we setting a precedent? My perception is that he, without
any plans and requirements that it seems I would look at his situation and I would say that he
should be allowed this because of the situation he was put in. But that is just my perception of the
perfection of the planning idea. I think he should be allowed the individuality because he was
forced into it. I would like to refer back to the last meeting and the last discussion we had about it, I
think there was a lot of clarification that was done then. I am not sure I would make a second as it
stands.
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Mr. Hardy stated that being a builder here the reverse corner lots are always a challenge here. I
mean it is a known fact that if you are going to build on a reverse corner you are going to have that
challenge.
Chairman Liesen asked Mr. Schmeling to show it on the grading plan to clarify due to it being
slightly misleading because of the scaling issue. I tend to agree with both the planning principle of
keeping things in line on a reverse corner lot and I also understand Mr. Hardy’s idea that these are
a constant issue, because they are. I also know that this particular development has a string of
model homes so the floor plans are relatively constant and similar. I have been in this
neighborhood before, I didn’t have any problem before with the 5 foot allowance and I don’t have
a problem now, and I felt like Lot 33 should get a little bit of lenience because of that air mass
violation in the back yard to his view. I am glad that we were able to work out the flip of the
setback between 32 and 33. I just wish we could give some allowance to this particular one on 33. I
don’t see a precedent here because it is a private subdivision.
Chairman Liesen said we have a motion on the floor by Mr. Bergen is to do staff recommendations
the way they stand.
Mr. Bergen made a motion to approve with staff recommendations and only staff
recommendations. The motion was seconded by Mr. Hardy. Motion carried by the
following vote:
Aye: 3 - Bergen, Kendig and Hardy
Nay: 2 - Chairperson Liesen and Cunningham
Absent: 4 - Nelson, Still, Gorden and McGowan
Chairman Liesen clarified that what passed were staff recommendations only and did not have the
5 yard side change on Lot 33.
Mr. Schmeling asked if because it passed 3 to 2 it is not a majority of the seated members. Is that
all it takes in this particular instance on reconsideration? Is there any difference?
Ms. Garry replied no, it is O.K.
Chairman Liesen stated he hopes this will clarify all the confusion we have had so far.
ID 14-0507 A request for a conditional use permit to allow open outdoor storage in the
C-2, General Commercial District, at 1590 Industrial Boulevard.
Mr. Schmeling stated this is a property located at 1590 Industrial Boulevard. It is zoned C-2, it is
currently developed located at the corner of Industrial Boulevard and Kiowa. You can see the site
has a building on it. It actually has a couple of uses on the property. The proposed site plan by the
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applicant is to add outdoor storage. Essentially fencing off an area and dedicating parking spaces
for whatever types of vehicles, outdoor storage with the gated fence. The property currently has
some paving for parking spaces. You can see they have parking spaces here to accommodate the
other uses but it is underdeveloped at this point. The applicant is just requesting for gated open
storage in the C-2 District which requires a conditional use permit.
Chairman Liesen asked if there are any questions of the staff. Hearing none, he asked if the
applicant was present and would like to make a presentation.
Dan Campbell of Roman Construction and I am representing Peter Perl who is in Los Angeles
right now. This piece of property used to be a storage yard. Peter bought it about 7 years ago and
has maintained it very well. We have 70% of the area in question right now paved. There is just a
little portion left in rock. What we are proposing to do is to put an automatic entrance gate at the
south driveway on Kiowa for people to swipe in and swipe out. We have security cameras on site
already. Frontier is south of us which already has a slatted block fence and we will meet the rest of
the building codes that the City requires for storage yards. For now what we would like to do is
take that yard and with open storage being what it is in the area already, there are two yards just
south of us, we would like to use that area for open storage. A couple years ago we had planned on
putting a building on that site and we still may put another commercial building on that site. For
now, for the minimum amount of cost to the owner so he could get some revenue off the property,
is just to use open space storage for now.
Chairman Liesen asked if on the Kiowa side what kind of fencing or screening material might you
be using.
Mr. Campbell replied they would be putting up what the City requires which is a 6-foot fence with
barb wire coming back on it with slats.
Chairman Liesen asked if there are any other questions of the speaker. Hearing none, he asked if
anyone in the audience would like to speak on this topic. Hearing none, he closed the public
hearing.
Mr. Schmeling stated staff finds that the proposed conditional use permit meets all the
requirements set forth in 14.44.050 (G). Therefore, based on the findings the Development Review
Committee recommends that land use action 14-0507 be approved with the following conditions.
1. Applicant must meet all the Building Code and Fire Department requirements.
2. Applicant must have a sight obscuring wall around the perimeter of the property as was
addressed by the Commission.
Chairman Liesen stated those conditions will be important because of the Fire exit rules and the
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fencing and everything else.
Ms. Cunningham made a motion to approve item **14.44.050 (G) with staff
recommendations and the following conditions including: Building Code
requirements; Fire Department requirements; sight obscuring fence; proposed
outdoor storage is limited to motorized vehicles, boats, trailers, and/or campers; and
the storage of raw/hazardous materials is prohibited. Mr. Kendig seconded the
motion. Motion carried by the following vote:
Aye: 5 - Bergen, Chairperson Liesen, Kendig, Cunningham and Hardy
Absent: 4 - Nelson, Still, Gorden and McGowan
ID 14-0508 A request for a zone change from P-1, Public Lands and Facilities, to
M-1P, Industrial Park District, for the 36.72 acre property located at 7051
Whelan Drive.
Mr. Schmeling stated the City owns a piece of property at 7051 Whelan Drive. It is just south and
east of the airport. At one time the entire site was designated for the North Wastewater Treatment
Facility. We have divided that parcel into two pieces. The front one has the existing wastewater
facility and all the accessory things that go along with it. The rear portion is the portion we are
talking about today, the flag lot, 36.72-acres. This entire property is zoned P-1 as you can see. We
are asking to have the rear portion rezoned to M1-P for the purpose of allowing all industrial uses
that are allowed in M1-P District.
Chairman Liesen asks if there are any questions of staff.
Hearing none, he opens the item to the public hearing. Hearing none, the public hearing is closed.
Mr. Schmeling states staff finds the proposed rezoning meets all the requirements set forth in
14.56.080 (B). Based on the findings, the Development Review Committee recommends that land
use action 14-0508 be forwarded to the City Council with a recommendation of approval rezoning
the property from P-1, Public Lands and Facilities, to M-1P, Industrial Park District.
Mr. Bergen made a motion for approval with staff recommendations and the motion is seconded by
Mr. Hardy.
Mr. Bergen made a motion to approve 14-0508 with staff recommendations. Motion
was seconded by Mr. Hardy. Motion carried by the following vote:
Aye: 5 - Bergen, Chairperson Liesen, Kendig, Cunningham and Hardy
Absent: 4 - Nelson, Still, Gorden and McGowan
7. CALL TO PUBLIC
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None.
8. FUTURE MEETING
Mr. Schmeling stated there are no items for the meeting date of October 15, 2014 due to
advertising issues. There are two items that will make it for the November 5th meeting.
Mr. Bergen stated he should have mentioned this when we were talking about the minutes. I had a
question regarding the Magnolia Design Review plan. I know it went to the Council on September
9th but I am still waiting for an answer as to whether design review plan comes before the
Commission.
Mr. Schmeling responded that he was sorry, he had committed at the last meeting to look that up
and I will look that up and get that information to you. As a matter of fact, I will send it in the
email when we cancel the meeting and I will also mention it at the next meeting in my beginning
presentation.
9. ADJOURNMENT
Meeting adjourned at 9:42 a.m.
*Ms. Garry referenced the previous action by the Commission in September regarding the actual
application for setback changes of lots 27-30. That application specified reversing the side yard
setbacks. Correction of this statement is to be made at the November 5, 2014, Planning
Commission meeting.
**Ms. Cunningham’s motion for approval was stated using 14.44.050 (G) which is the code
section. The item the motion was made for is ID 14-0507.
_______________________________________________________________
Jim Liesen, Chairman
_______________________________________________________________
Diane Libby, Recording Secretary
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Jim Liesen, Chairman Lake Havasu City
Chad Nelson Police Facility
Dan McGowan 2360 McCulloch Blvd North
Don Bergen Lake Havasu City, Arizona 86403
Doug Hardy www.lhcaz.gov
Lucas Still
Mychal Gorden
Christy Cunningham, Alternate
John Kendig, Alternate
Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:00 AM
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1. CALL TO ORDER
2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
3. ROLL CALL
4. MINUTES
5. CORRESPONDENCE AND ANNOUNCEMENTS
REPORT ON COUNCIL ACTION ON COMMISSION RECOMMENDED ITEM(S)
6. PUBLIC HEARING
ID 14-0506 Reconsideration of a request for a minor amendment to the approved general
development plan for Parcel “H” of Grand Island Estates to adjust the required
10-foot side yard setback and zero foot side yard setback to five feet on each
side for Lot 32; and reducing the ten-foot rear yard to five feet and reducing the
twenty-foot front yard to fifteen feet on Lot 33.
Attachments: Proposed Site Plan
Tract Map
Typical Building Footprints
Engineer Letter
ID 14-0507 A request for a conditional use permit to allow open outdoor storage in the C-2,
General Commercial District, at 1590 Industrial Boulevard.
Attachments: Letter of Intent
Floor Plan
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ID 14-0508 A request for a zone change from P-1, Public Lands and Facilities, to M-1P,
Industrial Park District, for the 36.72 acre property located at 7051 Whelan
Drive.
Attachments: Letter of Intent-Citizen Meeting Report
List of Permitted Uses in the P-1 District
List of M-1P Uses
Location Map
7. CALL TO PUBLIC
8. FUTURE MEETING
October 15, 2014
9. ADJOURNMENT
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