City Council Study Session
Regular MeetingLathrup Village, MI · July 15, 2024
Minutes
City Council Study Session
Minutes
Monday, July 15, 2024 at 6:00 PM
27400 Southfield Road, Lathrup Village, Michigan 48076
1. Call to Order by Mayor Garrett at 6:00 pm
2. Discussion Items
A. Referendum Petitions
Attorney Baker talked about the Referendum of Charter Proposed by the Initiative Petition, regarding the
prohibition of Cannabis businesses in Lathrup Village, and that the Initiative Petition, to change the
Ordinance, was also received at City Hall. The Referendum of Charter and Initiative Petitions has been
looked at to make sure the signatures that were verified, met the guidelines of registered voters. The next
step is for the Referendum of Charter Petition to be transmitted to the state, after a resolution of the City
Council.
The wording has already been stated in the petition, the Council could add an explanatory caption, but
Attorney Baker did not believe that it was necessary. Once the Attorney General’s Office and Governor’s
office sign off, it will be transmitted to the county, for residents to vote on, in the November 2024 election.
The Initiative Petition regarding the City Ordinance does not have to go to the Governor’s and Attorney
General’s office, it has to be published and posted in both precincts. The Charter supersedes the
Ordinance.
B. Nuisance Ordinance
Lt. Zang and Attorney Baker spoke on the Nuisance Ordinance, and that it allows, the responding Officers
to have more power, when they come out for noise and nuisance complaints, to enforce the City
Ordinance without, a resident needing to be a complainant. The property owner is culpable and the
attendees of the gatherings can be cited.
C. 27680 Lathrup Blvd – Encroachment License
This is for a person to be able to use this land, for their personal use, it does not transfer with the house
sale. The prior owner used the land in the same way. The new owner did obtain insurance. The former
resident did add value to the land and maintained it for years.
There are several similar streets, and there will be an Encroachment inventory to review.
3. Public Comments
Resident Ruth B., spoke on the responsibility as residents to keep the culverts clear, and that she keeps her
culvert area clean, and others don’t, so it does no good. She has a “lake” on City property between the street
and her home, and her lawn company can’t cut the grass. Other communities have this situation and the City
can help vet the contractors, for the needed work, acknowledging that It is the resident's responsibility, but we
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can get a better deal, as a group if the City helps direct residents to a contractor, who can fix this and we have
a project to help us solve this problem.
Mayor Pro Tem Kantor talked about the three-year infrastructure plan and said maybe Mike Greene, can put
together a list of Contractors.
Gwen S. said that the person who did her driveway, years ago, said something about the pipes, to help fix the
culvert back-ups.
Mr. Wisz suggested that the City does what the county does, to clear out the ditches with a backhoe or a front-
end loader.
4. Mayor and Council Comments
Mayor Garrett read a letter submitted by email.
This is a statement for the upcoming City Planning Session on Monday, 7/15. Sorry, I’m unable to
attend on that date.
My name is Kim Hodge and I live at 27580 California Dr. SE. I am writing today to ask Council not to
allow loud music and noise in the rental agreement for the pavilion and gazebo area.
I am a huge music lover and supporter, but sometimes it just gets way too loud. Just to be clear, I am
not talking about music during the Wednesday night concerts or the Lathrup Village music festival or
other Lathrup Village events. I’m talking about rentals here.
I understand that the current decibel limit is set at 65 and you are considering raising it to 85 or some
similar number. That is probably a reasonable limit. However, that limit is not adhered to. I am
sometimes unable to sit in our own backyard or even in our house with the windows open without
getting blasted with loud music (and pounding deep bass).
Last summer I had had enough after listening to loud music for 4 hours. I walked over to the gazebo
and saw that speakers were pointed away from the pavilion, into my direction and very, very loud
music was being played. Same thing happened within the last 2 months, with loud music for hours.
This was, I’m sure, way above the allowed decibel limit and I should’ve called the police at that time,
but I didn’t. I’d like to avoid such situations in the future.
Could you please make sure that City staff emphasize the decibel limit to the person renting when you
rent the outside space? And make sure that the police are aware of and enforcing the limits? We
should not have to go inside our houses or close the windows in order to live comfortably when
someone is renting the facilities.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Kim Hodge and Tom Brodzik
In support are the following neighbors:
•Gary W. Roberts & Kevin Bryant, 27474 California Dr SE
“Our issues are with the private rental parties in the Park which is right across the street. In many
instances the music far exceeds the volume of the City organized Music in the Park and City events.
Both the music and in between voice broadcasts at private events in the Park are extremely loud. Also
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some of these private parties have gone on past 10 pm, which is a very long duration of their intrusively
loud music. I recommend NOT raising the volume on private rental parties. Also I think the LV Police
should have the equipment to measure the volume and check it randomly (at least twice) to confirm
it is within the terms of the rental contract.”
•Brian Margosian, 27560 California SE
“I echo all of the above. We love our proximity to the park for LV live music where sound levels seem
to be better controlled, however during some of these private events we have also noticed similar
issues to our neighbors’ above.
I will remind others as well that the decibel scale is logarithmic, so an increase from 65 to 85dB is a
10x increase in perceived sound pressure level.”
•Phyllis Windham, 27530 Sunset Blvd E
“I agree. I live right across the street from the park (across from the Children’s Garden) and I should
not have to close my windows during the rentals. I’ve also heard loud swearing on the microphone.
People in attendance often block my mailbox and park on the edge of my lawn.”
•Chris Smith, 27460 California SE
It also bothers him when people park on the berm in front of their house, leaving tire marks.
•Shannon Burke, 27411 Lathrup Blvd.
“I second the request to publicize and enforce the decibel limits, and to encourage groups renting the
gazebo to avoid pointing their speakers at homes. If I can identify the song from half a yard away and
sing along, it's probably too loud.”
•Resident from Lathrup Blvd
“Lathrup Boulevard is typically a quiet street, but over the past three years we have often heard loud
parties put on at the park. We often wondered if it was a community event due to the noise. We would
investigate only to find out they were private parties. We can hear the music well into the evening,
which can be disruptive to a young family with a toddler.
As a wedding and event planner who works with venues much less residential than our pavilion
(Cushing field house & shepherds hollow) these venues currently have noise ordinances set at no
higher than 99 decibels and are strongly adhered to.
I feel that the current sound limit of 65 decibels has not been adhered to and we request that you do
not increase the allowed sound decibels before monitoring more closely to see what parties are
currently playing music at before making a final decision.”
•Sandy Schwartz, 27610 California SE
Sandy thinks the loudness is noise pollution and she is very sensitive to loud noises.
•Sabrina, 27561 California SE
Please let me know what action is taken regarding this issue. Thank you, in advance.
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Kim Hodge
Park rules ordinance is up tonight for a 2nd reading.
Councilmember Hammond, wanted the City Office staff to emphasize the park noise compliance rules when
we rent it out.
Mayor Garrett questioned why sound system speakers were facing the neighbors, and said that they should
face the Police Station.
Mayor Garrett said we should reinforce the speaker's direction when people are signing up to rent the park,
and put it in our newsletter, and mentioned that for house parties, the people giving the party can go, house
to house to let them know that they will be having a party.
Mayor Garrett spoke about when cars are parked on both sides of the street, especially for little streets, and
mentioned that it would be hard for emergency vehicles to get through. She asked if we could have parking on
one side of the street and she mentioned Roseland and Sunset streets.
Resident Grace, said they parked on her grass, and she had to make improvements.
Lt. Zang said the Chief can issue a traffic control order, and then move to make it permanent.
Mayor Garrett, mentioned that down Pierce, towards 12 Mile Roads, they have speed bumps, can we put them
down Lathrup Blvd.?
Lt. Zang said that the decoy car was placed to help slow down cars and that the agency wouldn’t have any
objection, but there is a cost for DPS, to install them, and they can’t put them in isolation, they have to be part
of a comprehensive plan.
Mayor Garrett was also concerned about how fast people drive on Bloomfield and Santa Barbara roads, and
she is concerned that there are no yield or stop signs at Sunset and San Diego roads.
Mayor Garrott, also reminded people of the Tree Committee meeting tomorrow at 7:30 pm.
Mayor Pro Tem Kantor asked the City Administrator about some wording in the Financial packet on page 54.
City Administrator, Mike Greene, reported that Thrill Share is up and running, he is trained, and some other
staff members are trained, and updating the live feed.
Councilmember Hammond said that the Planning Commission meeting was canceled for July 16, 2024, but
there will be one on August 20, 2024.
5. Adjourn 7:08 pm
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Agenda
City Council Study Session
Monday, July 15, 2024 at 6:00 PM
27400 Southfield Road, Lathrup Village, Michigan 48076
1. Call to Order by Mayor Garrett
2. Discussion Items
A. Referendum Petitions
B. Nuisance Ordinance
C. 27680 Lathrup Blvd – Encroachment License
3. Public Comments
4. Mayor and Council Comments
5. Adjourn
ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL
Your comments shall be made during times set aside for that purpose.
Stand or raise a hand to indicate that you wish to speak.
When recognized, state your name and direct your comments and/or questions to any City official in attendance..
Each person wishing to address the City Council and/or attending officials shall be afforded one opportunity of up to three (3)
minutes duration during the first and last occasion for citizen comments and questions and one opportunity of up to three (3)
minutes duration during each public hearing. Comments made during public hearings shall be relevant to the subject for which
the public hearings are held.
In addition to the opportunities described above, a citizen may respond to questions posed to him or her by the Mayor or
members of the Council, provided members have been granted the floor to pose such questions.
No speaker may make personal or impertinent attacks upon any officer, employee, or City Council member or other Elected
Official, that is unrelated to the manner in which the officer, employee, or City Council member or other Elected Official,
performs his or her duties.
No person shall use abusive or threatening language toward any individual when addressing the City Counci.
Any person who violates this section shall be directed by the Mayor to be orderly and silent. If a person addressing the Council
refuses to become silent when so directed, such person may be deemed by the Mayor to have committed a “breach of the
peace” by disrupting and impeding the orderly conduct of the public meeting of the City Council and may be ordered by the
Mayor to leave the meeting. If the person refuses to leave as directed, the Mayor may direct any law enforcement officer who is
present to escort the violator from the meeting.
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