Planning Commission
Regular MeetingLittle Chute, WI · November 12, 2012
Minutes
MINUTES OF THE PLAN COMMISSION MEETING – NOVEMBER 12, 2012
Call to Order
The Plan Commission meeting was called to order at 6:00 p.m. by President Vanden Berg
Roll Call
PRESENT: President Vanden Berg
Steve Eggert
John Elrick
Richard Schevers (6:03)
Bill Van Berkel
Roy Van Gheem
EXCUSED: Trustee Jim Hietpas
ALSO PRESENT: Community Development Director Jim Moes, Village Administrator
Charles Kell, Village Clerk Vicki Schneider, Dave Schmalz- McMahon,
Irene Hietpas, Robert & Katherine Berken
Public Appearance for Items Not on the Agenda
None
Approve Minutes of the Plan Commission Meeting of October 8 and the Minutes of the
Special Plan Commission Meeting of October 30, 2012
Moved by Commissioner Elrick, seconded by Commissioner Eggert to approve the
minutes of October 8, 2012 and October 30, 2012 as presented.
Ayes 5, Nays 0 – Motion Carried
Action – Approval of Off-Street Parking for Salon Indulgence
J. Moes reported that this property would be required to have 11 off-street parking stalls and as
proposed they have 7 off-street stalls and they are requesting approval of using the Village’s
public parking lot to serve as the additional required off-street parking stalls. J. Moes stated staff
is recommending approval of the off-street parking for the Salon. J. Moes stated the public
parking stalls will not be for the exclusive use of the salon. Commissioner Elrick commented
that this downtown business is providing more off-street parking than a lot of the other
downtown businesses.
Moved by Commissioner Elrick, seconded by Commissioner Van Berkel to approve the
Off-Street Parking for Salon Indulgence as presented.
Ayes 6, Nays 0 – Motion Carried
Review/Recommendation – CSM – John & Sharon Johannes – 401 Madison Street
J. Moes reported that these property owners recently purchased the house next door and it has
been razed and they now wish to combine the two lots into one lot and staff is recommending
that the Commission recommend approval of the CSM to the Village Board. Commissioner
Elrick asked why the CSM shows Washington Street and staff commented that is Hwy. N and
the bridge.
Moved by Commissioner Elrick, seconded by Commissioner Van Berkel to recommend to
the Village Board approval of the CSM for John & Sharon Johannes – 401 Madison St.
as presented. Ayes 6, Nays 0 – Motion Carried
Plan Commission Meeting Minutes – November 12, 2012 – Page 2
Review/Recommendation – Zoning Change Request filed by Irene Hietpas – CSM 5150,
Lots 1 & 2 from RC Residential Conventional Single Family District to RT – Residential
Two Family District
Commissioner Eggert stated that most of the area is single family and this was zoned single-
family for a reason and he doesn’t see a reason to change it. J. Moes stated that these are two
vacant lots and everything on this side of the street is zoned single-family with the exception of
the area on the corner of Hwy OO which is zoned two-family and the other side of Rosehill Rd.
is zoned industrial. Mr. Eggert stated that he lives on Joyce Street and he commented that
compared to the rest of the neighborhood, the duplexes are not maintained by the landlords and
he provided additional comments on why he was not in favor of allowing duplexes in single-
family zoning. Commissioner Elrick stated he would like to see the whole stretch of this side of
the road zoned RT as it is across from industrial zoning. Irene Hietpas, 1002 W. Ann St.,
Kaukauna, stated that her realtor is suggesting that she make this zoning change request as she
has had the property for sale for two years and only two people have expressed interest in the
lots but because of the busy street they want to put up duplexes instead of single-family homes.
Mrs. Hietpas commented on more tax money coming into the Village if there are duplexes on
the lots instead of them remaining vacant. Discussion took place.
Moved by Commissioner Eggert to make no recommendation to the Village Board.
Motion died for lack of a second.
Moved by Commissioner Van Berkel, seconded by Commissioner Schevers to recommend
approval of the rezoning to the Village Board.
Further Discussion: Commissioner Elrick asked if the Village Board could rezone the entire
five lots. J. Moes stated the Village Board would have to send a recommendation to the Plan
Commission. J. Moes explained the reason these lots were not originally zoned RT is because
there were single family homes in the area and because parts of this area were annexed into the
Village at the required single-family zoning. Commissioner Elrick stated he would like to see
the five properties zoned RT although he supports the motion but he would like this relayed to
the Board. J. Moes stated he will inform the Board of Commissioner Elrick’s position.
Commissioner Schevers asked Mrs. Hietpas if she owned the other two vacant lots to the south
and Mrs. Hietpas stated she did not own those lots. Commissioner Van Gheem stated he agrees
with Commissioner Elrick. Discussion continued.
Vote on the Motion: Ayes 5, Nays 1(Van Gheem) – Motion Carried
J. Moes stated that the Village Board will be asked to schedule a public hearing on the zoning
change request and adjacent property owners and Mrs. Hietpas will be sent a notice of the
public hearing.
Review/Recommendation – Preliminary Assessor’s Plat – 2012 Amendment to the 1917
Assessor’s Plat of the Village of Little Chute – Lots 1 through 19 Bluff Avenue between
Taylor St. and Buchanan St.
Dave Schmalz explained the procedure for recording this plat map and he explained why he felt
bringing it forward preliminarily before it is sent to the State was important. Kate Berken,
182 Grant St., thanked Mr. Schmalz for providing the preliminary plat after everything they
have gone through in the 10-year process. Mrs. Berken also made statements that this ordeal
Plan Commission Meeting Minutes – November 12, 2012 – Page 3
started in 2002 and no land existed south of Grant St. and that is why they went ahead with the
abandonment. Mrs. Berken stated that in 2001 and 2002 the Plan Commission reviewed the
survey and the Village Board, specifically President Rooyakkers stated at the time that if any
land was found south of Grant St. then the road would be reopen. Mrs. Berken further
commented on the road being closed illegally and she commented on the court case and going
to appeals court and the Judge ruling that the Village could intervene on this case and that is
against Wisconsin State Statutes. Mrs. Berken commented on this costing the Village, them,
and the Gloudemans family lots of money. Mrs. Berken made comments that the 1917
assessor’s plat was not correct and she commented on the errors she feels are in the map.
Mrs. Berken commented that this is a travesty because no one tried to work this out and she
believes this is because they made some problems for people and are not liked and if the rules
are not known, they should be checked out. Mrs. Berken further commented that she believes
the land should have gone to the Gloudemans family heirs. Mrs. Berken commented that
because the Village took away their land their lot isn’t big enough to build their retirement
home and she thinks they need to do their job and they should represent all citizens.
Mrs. Berken stated she did not support what was being presented. Mrs. Berken stated what she
wants is for the road to be reopened and she explained why. Discussion took place. J. Moes
asked Mrs. Berken if what she was saying is, that the land that isn’t owned by anybody,
according to her, it should go to the Gloudemans heirs and the Judge and appeals court decided
that wasn’t the case. J. Moes stated the surveyor platted the map according to the rulings in the
court cases. Mrs. Berken stated that if the Judge doesn’t have to go by the rules then why does
the assessor’s plat. Mrs. Berken stated she objects to the road being closed illegally and it
should continue to where it was. President Vanden Berg asked Mr. Schmalz if the map, to the
best of his knowledge and ability, comply with the court decisions. Mr. Schmalz provided
some history of the parcels along the canal and stated the bottom line in survey law is the call to
a monument rules and in this case both the Fairview Heights and the First Edition called the
south line the Government Canal line. Mr. Schmalz noted that the reference to the court cases
are on the map because he felt it was pertinent but he is agreeable to revise the map and there is
time to do that. Mr. Schmalz stated he firmly believes he has the map drawn to best of his
ability according to the two court cases but he is fine if the Commission want to have the
Village Attorney review it. Mrs. Berken made further statements including that the court ruled
that they were supposed to get their taxes back and she is still waiting for that and she would
appreciate the land south of lot 15, that they take care of, coming back to them and the north
line of lot 15 should have been extended to Roosevelt St. J. Moes stated that once the Village
Board adopts the amended plat, anyone that disagrees can then sue to have it changed.
Moved by Commissioner Elrick, to recommend to the Village Board approval of the
Preliminary Assessor’s Plat with the option for the Village Board to determine if the
Village Attorney should review the map to assure that the language follows the rulings
from the court cases.
Further comments: C. Kell stated that it would be best to have the Village Attorney review the
map before it goes before the Village Board although he does trust what Mr. Schmalz
submitted.
Commissioner Elrick restated his motion:
Plan Commission Meeting Minutes – November 12, 2012 – Page 4
Moved by Commissioner Elrick, seconded by Commissioner Van Berkel to request the
Village Surveyor submit the 2012 Amendment to the 1917 Assessor’s Plat map to the
Village Attorney for review and then submit it to the Village Board.
Ayes 6, Nay 0 – Motion Carried
Unfinished Business
None
Items for Future Agenda
Commissioner Eggert stated that there is a green box located on the corner of Rosehill Rd. and
Hwy. 00 and it is difficult to see the traffic coming down Hwy. 00 from the west. Commissioner
Schevers agreed. R. Van Gheem stated that while this isn’t a Plan Commission item he can
answer that this is County right-of-way and they have talked to the County and they are going to
replace the box with a shorter one and it is the utility company that installed that box.
Adjournment
Moved by Commissioner Van Berkel, seconded by Commissioner Elrick to adjourn the
Plan Commission meeting at 6:46 p.m. Ayes 6, Nays 0 – Motion Carried
VILLAGE OF LITTLE CHUTE
By: Michael Vanden Berg, Village President
Attest: Vicki Schneider, Village Clerk
Agenda
AGENDA
VILLAGE OF LITTLE CHUTE PLAN COMMISSION MEETING
PLACE: Little Chute Village Hall – Village Board Room
DATE: Monday, November 12, 2012
TIME: 6:00 p.m.
A. Call to order
B. Roll Call
C. Public Appearance for Items Not on the Agenda
1. Approve Minutes of the Plan Commission Meeting of October 8, 2012 and the Minutes of
the Special Meeting of the Plan Commission of October 30, 2012
2. Action – Approval of Off-Street Parking for Salon Indulgence
3. Review/Recommendation – CSM – John & Sharon Johannes – 401 Madison Street
4. Review/Recommendation – Zoning Change Request filed by Irene Hietpas– CSM 5150
Lots 1 & 2 – RC – Residential Conventional Single Family District to RT – Residential
Two Family District
5. Review/Recommendation – Preliminary Assessor’s Plat – 2012 Amendment to the 1917
Assessor’s Plat of the Village of Little Chute – Lots 1 through 19 Bluff Avenue between
Taylor St. and Buchanan St.
6. Unfinished Business
7. Items for Future Agenda
8. Adjournment
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