Board of Aldermen
Regular MeetingManchester, MO · August 6, 2018
Minutes
MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING OF
MONDAY, AUGUST 6, 2018
AT 200 HIGHLANDS BOULEVARD DRIVE
REGARDING A PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON
APPROXIMATELY 11.4 ACRES IN THE
R-4 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT
Mayor Mike Clement called the Public Hearing of the Board of Aldermen to order at 7:00
p.m.
Roll call showed those present were Alderman Huether, Alderman Nolte, Alderman Hamill,
Alderman Ottenad, Alderman Baumann, Alderman Toben, and Mayor Clement. A quorum was
present.
The following notice of the public hearing was then read:
“The City of Manchester Board of Aldermen shall hold a public hearing on
Monday, August 6, 2018 at 7:00 p.m. at the Manchester Police Facility,
200 Highlands Boulevard Drive, to consider the following:
CASE #17-SUB-001 – Sean Flower, Flower & Fendler Homes
has proposed a subdivision to be comprised of single family
residential homes. The properties to be subdivided are located
at 732 Oklahoma Ave., 736 Oklahoma Ave., 740 Oklahoma Ave.,
and 825 Sulphur Springs Road, totaling approximately 11.4 acres.
The proposed subdivision is in the R-4 Single-Family Residential
Zoning District and consists of 35 lots.”
Mayor Clement advised that first the proponents would speak, then the opponents, and
comments from the public, followed by questions from the members of the Board of Aldermen or
the City staff.
Speaking as a proponent, Mr. Sean Flower stated that the Board had approved the
subdivision previously. There were a couple improvements that they had to do. They had to do the
work to Sulphur Springs Road in compliance with St. Louis County, which has been done since it
was a right-of-way. They have a couple clean-up items that they are now doing. They are going to
be putting up some signage in the back. Mr. Flower stated that in general, they are trying to get
everything, such as water, sewer, etc. done and that has been approved by all the inspectors from the
utility companies.
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Speaking as an opponent, Mr. Mike Fuhro, 745 Oklahoma Avenue, voiced concern about
the subdivision and the storm sewers, only a couple of them, and if they get clogged with leaves and
debris, that water is going to go onto the adjoining properties causing problems. His
recommendation is that two or more storm sewers be installed and the developer provide
perspective buyers with a notice that the risk is there and the subdivision trustees and the
homeowners could be sued for damages from flooding if those storm sewers clog up.
Mr. Fuhro stated he is recommending the developer plant at least four trees per lot, each at
least 20 feet tall. Mr. Fuhro stated it should be stipulated that pin oaks, sweet gum, and bradford
pears are not allowed. He said he is suggesting the developer put $50,000 in escrow with the City to
cover any trees that die in the first two years.
Mr. Fuhro said the detention ponds are a terrible idea; they become retention ponds if those
grates at the bottom get clogged with leaves, debris, trash and whatever else. Mr. Fuhro said he had
supplied a document he found online which was written by experts about how to mitigate the risks
associated with these detention ponds. He is recommending the developer be required to regrade
those and put up a four-foot steel fence around the ponds to keep children out of those ponds.
Mr. Fuhro stated cities lose money on these new developments, and to help mitigate that, he
is recommending that the developer pay an impact fee of $10,000 per lot.
Mr. Kenneth Pollard, 405 Woodland Hill Court, stated that the reason he came tonight was
in regard to the water runoff. He asked how many of the elected officials have walked down the
properties. He said he knows that Alderman Toben has done that. He said his home is not where
there would be a water problem, but if you drive down Oklahoma, you can see there would be
problems. He asked if the elected officials would stand up and say they feel bad for their neighbors.
He said he is a reasonable, normal person, like all of the elected officials, and he wouldn’t want his
basement flooded. Mr. Pollard stated that maybe there was a problem before, and also other issues
in this particular neighborhood that need to be addressed. He said he is a concerned, reasonable,
good man, and he hopes that everyone understands he is not saying this is a bad thing, but everyone
needs to go over there and see it.
Ms. Lisa Sager, 11 Hassam Court, said she is concerned about the detention ponds, as well.
She expressed problems with mosquitos. She hopes there is a plan for treatment as soon as possible.
Mr. Chris Winters, 510 Cardinal Lane, said he has been opposed to this development since
the beginning. He said there is clay dirt running down the storm drain, and there is a drop inlet at
the south end of the strip of property that is about two feet higher than the street, and he wonders if
they are going to level out the street and connect that dropped inlet.
Mr. Jeremy Wohldmann, 10 Hassam Court, stated that he is concerned about the dirt and
erosion.
Alderman Ottenad asked Mr. Flower if he is having trees planted around the detention pond.
Mr. Flower responded by saying that the way they set it up, they have an escrow with the
City. They looked at how many trees they were taking out and then they agreed that there is a
certain number of trees that will be put back in on the sight. He said they drew in different areas on
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that. He thinks by the detention ponds, and he clarified that there are actually two detention ponds,
there are a couple trees around the pond and there are some on each lot in the front and back. Mr.
Flower added that there are requirements from the Metropolitan Sewer District (MSD), and he has
followed the requirements. He has never had any problems.
Alderman Ottenad said she is hearing concerns from the residents, and she wants to know if
Mr. Flower met with the surrounding neighbors.
Mr. Flower answered that he has not. He said the only person from whom he has received
any comment would be Mr. Fuhro. He said only those he has ever heard from is those individuals
he has contacted. He said he has met with people on Woodland Hill. Mr. Flower stated they have
also spoken to the two people who are living immediately next to the development.
Alderman Ottenad said she is concerned about the stormwater and the flooding.
Alderman Toben asked if there is any indication, in his opinion, that there is going to be any
flooding in any houses on the adjacent properties.
Mr. Flower answered that in his opinion, there would be no flooding, but he is not an
insurance representative. He said the closest he had was with the Segals in the front of their
property during construction and putting paving in. Mr. Flower said that is the hardest spot, because
they are at the lowest location in the whole area. He said they have taken extra steps and are
working on their property to make sure it is all done.
Alderman Toben asked if there has been any situation where an adjacent landowner has
contacted him.
Mr. Flower stated that as he had indicated, he had a problem with the Segals in the front, but
they dealt with that issue directly.
Alderman Ottenad asked the two Ward Three Aldermen if they are comfortable with the
development.
Alderman Hamill stated that the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended the
development.
Alderman Nolte stated that the Segals apparently had a problem. He wondered if they have
indicated there is still a problem.
Mr. Flower stated that they have worked with the Segals since day one. Their house is right
below the upper detention pond, and they have done a lot outside the development on their property
to try to coordinate that. He said they had a separate contract and made improvements to that area.
He believes the Segals have been satisfied with their efforts. Mr. Flower stated that MSD designed
it, and MSD has to approve it. He said MSD standards are very strict. There is not much detention
in those older subdivisions.
Alderman Toben asked if any lots have been sold so far.
Mr. Flower said he has nine lots under contract, and the houses are about $500,000. He said
the smallest ranch is about 1,800 square feet and the biggest size are story and a half or two story
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homes, and they are around 3,800 square feet.
Mr. Ken Pollard said he would like to have someone go down to the southern side of
Woodland Hill Court, and ask every person if they have had water in their basement, and to look at
the back of their house, and see if there is a storm sewer. He said from the water standpoint, they
should look at the lay of the land and the lay of the road. He said he has no problem with his home,
but he does care about others.
There were no more comments from the public.
Alderman Hamill stated that the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended this
development to the Board of Aldermen.
Mayor Clement closed the public hearing at 7:34 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Ruth E. Baker, MMC/MPCC
City Clerk
Note: This is a journal of the Public Hearing held August 6, 2018 regarding a proposed
subdivision of single-family homes on approximately 11.4 acres in the R-4 Single-Family
Residential Zoning District, (summary); not a verbatim transcript. If a recording of the public
hearing is desired, please contact City Hall.
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MINUTES OF THE REGULAR BOARD OF ALDERMEN MEETING
MONDAY, AUGUST 6, 2018
AT 200 HIGHLANDS BOULEVARD DRIVE
1. CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Mike Clement called the Regular Board of Aldermen meeting to order at 7:34 p.m.
2. ROLL CALL AND STATEMENT OF QUORUM
Roll call showed those present were Alderman Huether, Alderman Nolte, Alderman Hamill,
Alderman Ottenad, Alderman Baumann, Alderman Toben, and Mayor Clement. A quorum was
present.
3. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES
a. Minutes of the Regular Board of Aldermen meeting of Monday, July 16, 2018
Alderman Baumann made the motion to approve the Minutes of the Regular Board of
Aldermen meeting of Monday, July 16, 2018. The motion was seconded by Alderman Hamill and
carried unanimously, without objection.
4. ESTABLISHMENT OF ORDER OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA
Alderman Hamill made the motion to approve the Order of Items on the Agenda as
submitted. The motion was seconded by Alderman Toben and carried 6 – 0, with no objections
from the Board.
5. CONSIDERATION OF PETITIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC
a. Discussion of events being held by Lafayette Industries
- Charlie Klipsch and Steve Spurgeon
Mr. Charlie Klipsch said he has a daughter who has worked at Lafayette Industries for the
past 27 years. He stated that Lafayette Industries is a workshop for special needs people, and that
workshop gives those people a sense of accomplishment, need, belonging, contributing, and they
contribute to society. They have several ways to fund everything: by grants, the workers earn
money with packaging, and through donations.
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Mr. Klipsch said he raises and races homing pigeons, and races them against other people in
distances of 100 miles to up to 600 miles. Last year, he had an idea that he would use these pigeons
as a means for fundraising for Lafayette Industries, and they were very receptive to the idea. Mr.
Klipsch said that last year, they raised over $3,500 and had 70 people in his backyard when the
pigeons returned. The excitement led them to this year’s two-day event. He said on Friday,
September 14, at the Lafayette Industries workshop, they are going to release 100 Doves of Peace
around 1:00 p.m. The workers at Lafayette Industries are going to write notes and each put notes on
a pigeon and then send them home. The next day is the pigeon race and they are going to read the
notes.
Mr. Klipsch stated that week actually happens to be the 42nd year anniversary of Lafayette
Industries, and that Friday is the last day of Safety Week. Mayor Clement, along with police, fire
department, volunteers, and a pro photographer are involved. To be involved in the next day is to be
a sponsor to one of the pigeons that might be first, and there will be a gift card reward.
Dr. Steve Spurgeon said he has raised money in St. Louis for the past 30 years, with the
Heart Association, with Wounded Warriors, and the Covenant House. He would be amiss if he told
the amounts of funds he has raised. People want to help other people. He will be going out to all the
areas around here. He is going to go and talk to people and the goodness of helping people who are
wanting more.
b. New Liquor License
a. Platinum TM d/b/a Shell Station and convenience store
Alderman Hamill made the motion to approve the liquor license for Platinum d/b/a Shell
Station and the convenience store. The motion was seconded by Alderman Toben and carried 6 – 0,
with no objections from the Board.
c. Comments from the Public
Mr. Phil Schopp, 422 Woodland Hill Court, said that his property backs up to the Flower
and Fendler property and actually since that area of the property has been raised, his water problem
has gone away.
Mr. Gerald Heideman, 418 Woodland Hill Court, said he would wind up with a waterfall
every time it rained, and since the development has started and the inlets have been placed, he has
not had one drop of water.
Mr. Chris Winters, 510 Cardinal Lane, said that recently there was a good rain, about 2 ½
inches, and dirt washed onto Sulphur Spring, he wondered why there was a problem.
Mayor Clement stated that the Board does not answer that, but he would encourage Mr.
Winters and Mr. Flowers to speak after the meeting.
6. REPORTS FROM THE MAYOR
a. Commendation to Young Leaders
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Mayor Clement stated that the four young ladies, Bahia Spahr, Philomina Spahr, Fiona
Devine and Bridget Devine, during spring break on their own, saw what needed to be done. There
was a lot of trash at the top of Indian Hill in Country Lane Woods, and they picked up 12 bags of
trash on Indian Hill.
b. Introduction of City Attorney Paul Rost
Mayor Clement introduced City Attorney Paul Rost who will be representing the City of
Manchester on the first meeting of each month, and Erin Seele, who was at our last meeting, will be
representing the City on the second meeting of each month.
City Attorney Paul Rost said he has been practicing for 26 years, 20 of those in Municipal
Law. He enjoys working with cities and communities. When communities are run well and when
the citizens get involved, there is so much they can get done and get accomplished to make sure
they are in a great place to live.
c. Mayoral Report
Mayor Clement wanted everyone to know that National Night Out is tomorrow night; they
start at 6:30 p.m. and the event lasts until 9:00 p.m. There are five places that he is aware of, one
being the Police Facility.
Mayor Clement stated the next Manchester Community Band Concert will be next Sunday
night at 6:00 p.m. The theme is “South of the Border”.
On August 15, the City will have the second Small Business Gathering in the Parks
Building.
Manchester is going to be hosting the Government Affairs and Transportation Forum
(GATF) on Friday, August 17 from 7:30 a.m. until 9:00 a.m. He asked the aldermen to register if
they would like to participate.
7. REPORTS FROM THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR
a. Proposition S Update
City Administrator Perney stated that Proposition S was passed by the voters in April.
Proposition S is a $16 million bond issue to fund repairs on the city’s streets and sidewalks. Street
priorities are being assessed; the whole project will take 6 to 7 years. For the first phase, Manchester
sold bonds for $9 million. This fall Manchester will be doing approximately $1.6 million worth of
replacement of concrete slabs in various areas of the city. Our engineers, public works and staff
have studied all of our roads and have been planning to make sure we maximize use. There is a
public informational meeting on Thursday evening, September 13 at 7:00 p.m. at the Parks
Building.
b. Website Update
City Administrator Perney stated the new website went live over the weekend. He showed
highlights of the website.
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c. Announcement of Manchester’s ranking as the 6th safest city in Missouri
City Administrator Perney stated that Safewise announced the safest cities in Missouri, and
Manchester came in as # 6.
d. Thank you to Police Officer
City Administrator Perney stated that he had received correspondence in regard to
Officer Meredith Absolon. The lady was extremely grateful for Officer Absolon’s service that was
rendered. She wanted to thank her for everything she did.
e. List of Paid Bills (Warrant dates of July 15 – August 4, 2018)
There were no questions.
8. REPORTS FROM COMMITTEES
a. Planning and Zoning Commission
Alderman Hamill stated there were a number of cases at the last meeting, mostly dealing
with Smokee Mo’s, which the Commission unanimously granted, and also consideration was given
to a daycare center south of Good Shepard Church, to change zoning from residential to
commercial, and that was unanimously denied.
b. Homecoming Committee
Alderman Ottenad stated that Homecoming will be September 7 – 9. The next meeting is
scheduled for August 22 at the Legion Hall at 6:30 p.m. She said that as always they encourage new
people to come and welcome people to attend.
9. ACTION ON OLD BILLS
a. There were none.
10. INTRODUCTION OF NEW BILLS
a. BILL APPROVING A SUBDIVISION RECORD PLAT
Alderman Toben introduced Bill # 18-2341, entitled: “AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A
RECORD PLAT FOR THE BEND AT SULPHUR SPRING SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF
MANCHESTER AND AUTHORIZING THE RECORD PLAT TO BE RECORDED IN THE
OFFICE OF THE RECORDER OF DEEDS OF ST. LOUIS COUNTY, MISSOURI”, by title only.
There being no questions, no further action at this time.
b. BILL AMENDING THE CITY’S PURCHASING POLICY
Alderman Nolte introduced Bill # 18-2342, entitled: “AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
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THE PURCHASING POLICY OF THE CITY OF MANCHESTER, ARTICLE II OF CHAPTER
135 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE, TO ALLOW APPROVAL OF NEGOTIATED BIDS IN
CERTAIN SITUATIONS”, by title only.
City Attorney Paul Rost said that for the Board’s edification, in the purchasing Code he was
trying to figure out when bids need to go out for competitive bidding, and when they don’t. He was
looking at the exceptions and he noticed there was nothing in there about negotiated bids, so he
brought this forward to Larry Perney about a possible amendment. He said there are three areas, one
that if there is no responsible bid to an advertised request, the Code is silent about that, so the
money would have to be spent again and the City might get the same results. Another instance
could be that there is one bid in from the advertisement, but the City is not satisfied that it is good.
He said the third situation is more esoteric in a sense where there is a vendor or provider of goods or
services who wants to continue providing the goods or services, the City is happy with the provider,
and after research, it was determined there aren’t any other better deals out there. He said in this
case, the City could spend the money to go out to bid anyway, and ultimately wind up with the same
provider. With the recommended change, the City could evaluate each situation on its own and
evaluate whether getting the best value would be in going out for bid or getting a better value by
negotiating with one or two vendors. Attorney Rost stated the purpose as indicated in that section is
to try to get the best economical bid, and he referenced this is in the Ordinance that it should be the
lowest price but not lowest price at all costs, but best value. He discussed procuring quality services
and in an efficient and cost effective manner. He said this would give the ability to look at a
situation and decide whether or not to negotiate it out. He said the best value is not referenced in the
policy. He recommended looking at the entire purchasing policy to make sure it is still doing what
is necessary, to look at the threshold levels to make sure the policy does what the City wants it to
do.
Alderman Nolte stated he understands that if it is negotiated and wasn’t put out for bid,
instead of putting it out for bid, it would still be by a vote of the aldermen in public session and that
would be the only way it would happen.
City Attorney Rost stated that it would be open and up to the Board on the situation, he
would assume and expect that it would be put into the record the reasons why they that decision is
being made.
Mayor Clement stated staff felt this was needed. They have all had their experiences, some
when it has gone wrong with going out for an RFP and not necessarily getting what was wanted.
No further action at this time.
c. BILL APPOINTING A NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR
Alderman Ottenad introduced Bill # 18-2343, entitled: “AN ORDINANCE APPOINTING
DONALD J. YUCUIS AS THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE FOR THE CITY OF MANCHESTER
AND ESTABLISHING THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF SAID EMPLOYMENT”, by title
only.
Alderman Ottenad made the motion for emergency legislation. The motion was seconded by
Alderman Hamill, and carried unanimously, without objection.
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Alderman Ottenad read for the second time Bill # 18-2343, entitled: “AN ORDINANCE
APPOINTING DONALD J. YUCUIS AS THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE FOR THE CITY OF
MANCHESTER AND ESTABLISHING THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF SAID
EMPLOYMENT”, by title only.
Alderman Ottenad made the motion that Bill # 18-2343 become Ordinance #18-2225. The
motion was seconded by Alderman Toben.
Alderman Hamill – aye
Alderman Toben – aye
Alderman Baumann – aye
Alderman Ottenad – aye
Alderman Heuther – aye
Alderman Nolte – aye
Mayor Clement announced the motion passed by a vote of 6 – 0, with no objections from the
members of the Board of Aldermen.
11. MISCELLANEOUS
a. Comments from the Public
12. ADJOURNMENT
At 8:24 p.m., there being no further business, Alderman Hamill made the motion to adjourn.
The motion was seconded by Alderman Nolte and carried unanimously, without objection. The
meeting adjourned at 8:24 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Ruth E. Baker, MMC/MPCC
City Clerk
Note: This is a journal of the Board of Aldermen meeting held Monday, August 6, 2018 (summary); not a verbatim transcript. If a
recording of the meeting is desired, please contact City Hall.
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Agenda
REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN NEXT BILL: 18-2341
NEXT ORD: 18-2225
NEXT RES: 18-0641
DATE: MONDAY, AUGUST 6, 2018 – 7:00 p.m.
MEETING TO BE HELD AT THE POLICE FACILITY
200 HIGHLANDS BOULEVARD DRIVE
PUBLIC HEARING: Proposed Subdivision of single
family homes on approximately
11.4 acres in the R-4 Single-
Family Residential Zoning District.
AGENDA
PAGE NO.
1. Call to Order:
a. Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag
b. Invocation
2. Roll Call and Statement of Quorum
3. Approval of the Minutes:
a. Minutes of the Regular Board of Aldermen meeting 1-6
of Monday, July 16, 2018
4. Establishment of Order of Items on the Agenda
5. Consideration of Petitions and Comments from the Public
a. Discussion of events being held by Lafayette Industries –
- Charlie Klipsch and Steve Spurgeon
b. New Liquor License
a. Platinum TM d/b/a Shell Station 7
and convenience store
c. Comments from the Public
6. Reports from the Mayor
a. Commendation to Young Leaders
b. Introduction of City Attorney Paul Rost
c. Mayoral Report
7. Reports from the City Administrator
a. Proposition S Update
b. Website Update
c. Announcement of Manchester’s ranking as 8
the 6th safest city in Missouri
d. List of Paid Bills (Warrant dates of July 15 – 9 - 42
August 4, 2018)
8. Reports from Committees
a. Planning and Zoning Commission
b. Homecoming Committee
9. Action on Old Bills
a. There are none.
10. Introduction of New Bills
a. Bill approving a subdivision record 43 - 49
plat – Alderman Toben
b. Bill amending the City’s purchasing policy – 50 - 51
Alderman Nolte
c. Bill appointing a new Finance Director – 52 - 54
Alderman Ottenad
EMERGENCY LEGISLATION REQUESTED
11. Miscellaneous
a. Comments from the Public
12. Adjournment
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