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Historic District Commission

Regular Meeting

Manistee, MI · June 6, 2013

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HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION Council Chambers, City Hall 70 Maple Street Manistee, MI 49660 MEETING MINUTES June 6, 2013 A Meeting of the Manistee City Historic District Commission was held on Thursday, June 6, 2013 at 3:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers, City Hall, 70 Maple Street, Manistee, Michigan. Meeting was called to order at 3:14 p.m. by Chair Kracht. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Dave Carlson, Maria DeRee, T. Teena Kracht, John Perschbacher, Members Absent: T. Eftaxiadis (excused), Jeremy Loveless, Mary Russell (excused) Others: Mike Cnudde (335 River Street), Travis Alden (Main Street/DDA Director), Mark Fedder (Manistee County Historical Museum) and Denise Blakeslee (Planning & Zoning) APPROVAL OF AGENDA: MOTION by John Perschbacher, seconded by Maria DeRee that the Agenda be approved as prepared. With a voice vote this MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: MOTION by John Perschbacher, seconded by Maria DeRee that the Minutes of the May 2, 2013 Meeting be approved With a voice vote this MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. NEW BUSINESS: None City of Manistee Historic District Commission Meeting Minutes June 6, 2013 Page 1 OLD BUSINESS HDC-2012-07 Mike Cnudde, 335 River Street Mike Cnudde has spoken with Travis Alden, Main Street/DDA Director about a release of funds for his project at 335 River Street. The Commissioners were sent excerpts from the January 3, 2013 and March 7, 2103 Meetings to assist in their review. Mike Cnudde brought in photos that showed how the inside ceiling matches the height of the ceiling over the entrance door. Mr. Cnudde spoke about the attempt to remove the adhesive behind the paint and that the removal was damaging the brick and mortar and that he spoke with Travis Alden and Jon Rose about the situation. Travis Alden said that Kelly Larsen was in town during this time and looked at the issue. He recalled that Kelly felt it would do more harm than good to remove the adhesive and that they should focus on the rest of the improvements. The Commission discussed the project and photos were reviewed against the plan that was designed by Kelly Larsen. MOTION by John Perschbacher, seconded by Maria DeRee that the Historic District Commission determined that the following items be addressed as follows for a Certificate of Compliance to be issued for the project.  The applicant demonstrated that that the new interior tin ceiling was the same height as the exterior ceiling over the entrance door. The applicant will not need to raise the exterior ceiling over the entrance door.  Travis Alden will contact Kelly Larsen and request a recommendation on how the Commission needs to address the adhesive. The Commission will abide by Ms. Larsen’s recommendation.  The Applicant is to add trim on the building that matches the design on the Revised Façade Improvement plan dated 10/4/12. The trim needs to visually look like the plan which mimics the trim on the building at 333 River Street. The Commission will allow the purple paint to remain on the brick at the base of the building. City of Manistee Historic District Commission Meeting Minutes June 6, 2013 Page 2 A B C D E F G Remove trim piece to match Design A B C D E Example of trim placement Discussed with the applicant F G With a roll call vote this motion passed 4 to 0. Yes: Perschbacher, DeRee, Carlson, Loveless, Kracht No: None City of Manistee Historic District Commission Meeting Minutes June 6, 2013 Page 3 Travis Alden noted that while a Certificate of Appropriateness is required to apply for a Façade Grant, there is nothing that requires a Certificate of Compliance be issued for the release of grant funds. They will be reviewing the requirements over in the next few months. HDC-2013-02 Joe Mathewson, 339 River Street Joe Mathewson ran into a problem with his project at 339 River Street. Mr. Mathewson wanted to remove the paint from the three brick columns on the front of the building exposing the brick. Upon cleaning of the brick it was discovered that a silver roofing compound had been applied behind the paint on these columns. Mr. Mathewson does not want the brick to be painted and indicated he would leave the project unfinished instead of painting these three columns. He has proposed to build a wooden “enclosure” that would cover the brick which would be stained to match the work he has been doing to restore the front of the building. Jon Rose sent an email to SHPO asking if they could offer any assistance, guidance or suggestions. Mr. McKay responded to the email as follows: While Mr. Mathewson may well be “adamantly opposed to re-painting” the first floor brick, his proposed solution (boxing in the piers) is entirely inappropriate in its own right. Concealing the historic brick behind paneling, regardless of whether it can be removed in the future or not, will substantially alter the historic character of the building and is inconsistent with the character of the Manistee historic district. The proposal is not consistent with the Secretary of the Interior’s Standards for Rehabilitation and would not be approves as part of a Section 106 or Tax Credit project review. There really are only three possibilities that are appropriate in this instance. Option 1 is to leave the existing paint alone and allow it to remove itself “naturally.” This may be a slow process but it will eventually happen. Given the nature and extent of the other working being undertaken at the property I would suggest that this is the least desirable solution. Option 2 is to continue to seek to identify a chemical paint stripper that will remove the existing paint layers without damaging the brick. It is possible that the removal process may involve two different stripping systems, one for the traditional paint itself and one for the silver roofing material (this is most likely aluminum rich roof paint). It may be helpful to have a sample of the silver “paint” tested to determine its base chemical composition. By knowing its true chemistry it will be easier to identify the most productive stripping agent(s). This approach while the most historically appropriate is likely to be the most expensive, has the highest potential to do serious and irreparable damage to the brick and in the end may be only moderately successful. Option 3, which is quite frankly the least problematic solution, would be to simply repaint the existing painted areas. While I do in general agree that painting masonry is the least preferable option, it doesn’t sound as if in this case the new paint has even the slightest potential to do additional damage to the brick. Had the existing paint come off of the brick willingly, stripping would clearly be the preferred solution. In this case the bond between the roof paint and the brick seems to be suggesting the use of a different approach. In a very real sense rehabilitation is about adapting to the conditions we encounter along the way and creating an City of Manistee Historic District Commission Meeting Minutes June 6, 2013 Page 4 acceptable all be it imperfect solution. The Commission discussed Mr. McKay’s email and the project. MOTION by John Perschbacher, seconded by Maria DeRee that the applicant can do any of the three options recommended by Rob McKay, State Historic Architect for the project, the applicant will not be allowed to box the brick with a wood enclosure under any circumstance. With a roll call vote this motion passed 4 to 0. Yes: Perschbacher, DeRee, Carlson, Kracht No: None PUBLIC COMMENTS AND COMMUNICATIONS CONCERNING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA None CORRESPONDENCE Commissioner Eftaxiadis sent an email relating to the discussion at the May 2, 2103 Historic District Commission Meeting. A copy of the email is attached. STAFF REPORTS Travis Alden, DDA/Main Street Director – updated the Commission Main Street Quarterly Meeting/Historic District presentation by Robb McKay; Rozmarek building; Winkler Block; Boathouse Grill; H&K Electric is for sale. Mark Fedder, Museum Director - Issued Permits for: Zoelle Consignment & Boutique, 431 River Street – Projecting Sign and Window Signs Issued Permit PHDC13-011 Maria DeRee, 389 River Street – Paint Colors for both transom and front entrance to upper floor (beige) Issued Permit PHDC13-012 Margaret Diebel, 342 River Street – Awning and Signage Issued Permit PHDC13-013 MEMBERS DISCUSSION City of Manistee Historic District Commission Meeting Minutes June 6, 2013 Page 5 Commissioner Carlson spoke of the increase in interest in properties after the current improvements to properties in the district. The Next meeting of the Historic District Commission will be on Thursday, July 11, 2013 at 3:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers, City Hall, 70 Maple Street. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Maria DeRee, seconded by Dave Carlson that the meeting be adjourned. Motion passed unanimously. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 4:23 P.M. MANISTEE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION __________________________________________ Denise J. Blakeslee, Recording Secretary City of Manistee Historic District Commission Meeting Minutes June 6, 2013 Page 6 City of Manistee Historic District Commission Meeting Minutes June 6, 2013 Page 7

Agenda

MANISTEE CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION Meeting of Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:00 p.m. - Council Chambers, City Hall, 70 Maple Street, Manistee, Michigan AGENDA I Call to Order II Roll Call III Approval of Agenda At this time the Historic District Commission can take action to approve the June 6, 2013 Agenda. IV Approval of Minutes At this time Historic District Commission can take action to approve the May 2, 2013 meeting Minutes. V New Business VI Old Business HDC-2013-02 Joe Mathewson, 339 River Street The Commission will be updated on the status of the project at 339 River Street. At this time the Commission could take action if necessary relating to the project at 339 River Street. HDC-2012-07 Mike Cnudde, 335 River Street The Commission will be updated on the status of the project at 335 River Street At this time the Commission could take action if necessary relating to the project at 335 River Street. VII Public Comments and Communications concerning Items not on the Agenda At this time the Chair will ask if there are any public comments. 1 HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION Council Chambers, City Hall 70 Maple Street Manistee, MI 49660 MEETING MINUTES May 2, 2013 A Meeting of the Manistee City Historic District Commission was held on Thursday, May 2, 2013 at 3:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers, City Hall, 70 Maple Street, Manistee, Michigan. Meeting was called to order at 3:04 p.m. by Chair Kracht. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Dave Carlson, Maria DeRee, T. Eftaxiadis, Teena Kracht, Jeremy Loveless, John Perschbacher, Mary Russell Members Absent: None Others: Travis Alden(DDA/Main Street Director), Mark Fedder (Manistee County Historical Museum) Steve Harold (Manistee County Historical Museum) and Denise Blakeslee (Planning & Zoning) and others APPROVAL OF AGENDA: MOTION by Maria DeRee, seconded by Mary Russell that the Agenda be approved as prepared. With a voice vote this motion passed unanimously. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: MOTION by Maria DeRee, seconded by Mary Russell that the Minutes of the April 4, 2013 Meeting be approved. With a voice vote this motion passed unanimously. NEW BUSINESS: None City of Manistee Historic District Commission Meeting Minutes May 2, 2013 Page 1 OLD BUSINESS None PUBLIC COMMENTS AND COMMUNICATIONS CONCERNING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA None CORRESPONDENCE None STAFF REPORTS Denise Blakeslee, Recording Secretary – distributed H.A.M it Up! brochures to the Commissioners. Commissioner Perschbacher entered the meeting. MEMBERS DISCUSSION None Meeting Closed at 3:17 pm WORKSESSION: Training Exercise – Demolition by Neglect Prior to the purchase of the Winkler Block Building at 312 River Street, staff had begun the work for the Commission to determine if the deterioration of the building would qualify as Demolition by Neglect. Most of the paperwork had been prepared for the Commission to begin the process when the bank accepted the offer from Blue Fish. The Historic District Commission has the authority under the Local Historic Districts Act (Act 169 of 1970) and Chapter 1280 Historic District of the City of Manistee Codified Ordinance to require the owner to make necessary repairs to avoid the loss of structures within the district. This is done under Demolition by Neglect which is defined as follows: "Demolition by Neglect" means neglect in maintaining, repairing, or securing a resource that results in deterioration of an exterior feature of the resource or the loss of structural integrity of the resource. Section 399.205 (11) of the Local Historic Districts Act and Section 1280.15 of the City of Manistee Codified Ordinances reads: City of Manistee Historic District Commission Meeting Minutes May 2, 2013 Page 2 Upon a finding by a commission that a historic resource within a historic district or a proposed historic district subject to its review and approval is threatened with demolition by neglect, the commission may do either of the following: (a) Require the owner of the resource to repair all conditions contributing to demolition by neglect. (b) If the owner does not make repairs within a reasonable time, the commission or its agents may enter the property and make such repairs as are necessary to prevent demolition by neglect. The costs of the work shall be charged to the owner, and may be levied by the local unit as a special assessment against the property. The commission or its agents may enter the property for purposes of this section upon obtaining an order from the circuit court. The Commission went through the exercise to have a better understanding of the process in the event that a building in the district falls into a state of disrepair in the future. Staff had prepared a Powerpoint Presentation of photographs of the building as well as a draft resolution for adoption if the Commission had determined that the condition of the building constituted Demolition by Neglect. Commissioner Eftaxiadis entered the meeting. Discussion included how to contact owners of properties to prevent Demolition by Neglect; how Demolition by Neglect is the last option for the Commission to protect resources; how to soften the process and promote a better understanding of preservation; the availability of funds from DDA/Main Street (Façade Grants); the desire to preserve our resources. Travis Alden noted that the Corbels and Trim were installed today on Mike Cnudde’s building. Discussion on the North Channel Outlet building. The Next meeting of the Historic District Commission will be on Thursday, June 6, 2013 at 3:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers, City Hall, 70 Maple Street. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Mary Russell, seconded by Maria DeRee that the meeting be adjourned. Motion passed unanimously. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 4:17 P.M. MANISTEE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION __________________________________________ Denise J. Blakeslee, Recording Secretary City of Manistee Historic District Commission Meeting Minutes May 2, 2013 Page 3 VIII Correspondence At this time the Chair will ask if any correspondence has been received to be read into the record. IX Reports Main Street/DDA Director Museum Curator Museum Director Community Development Director X Members Discussion At this time the Chair will ask members of the Historic District Commission if they have any items they want to discuss. XI Worksession XII Adjournment 2 Joe Mathewson, 339 River Street – Photos showing condition of brick and attempt to remove paint. 2007 Photo - 339 River Street Building Mr. Mathewson wanted to remove the paint from the three brick columns on the front of the building exposing the brick. Upon cleaning of the brick it was discovered that a silver roofing compound had been applied behind the paint on these columns. Mr. Mathewson does not want the brick to be painted and would leave the project unfinished instead of painting these three columns. He has proposed to build a wooden “enclosure” that would cover the brick which would be stained to match the work he has been doing to restore the front of the building. Planning & Zoning Community Development 231.398.2805 Fax 231.723-1546 MEMORANDUM www.ci.manistee.mi.us To: Historic District Commissioners From: Jon R. Rose, Community Development Director Date: May 23, 2013 RE: Mike Cnudde, 335 River Street Commissioners, Mike Cnudde has spoken with Travis Alden, Main Street/DDA Director about a release of funds for his project at 335 River Street. This would require issuance of a Certificate of Compliance. To assist the Commission in determining what if any items are remaining that need to be completed to close out the request we are including excerpts from the January and March meeting minutes. Excerpt from January 3, 2013 Meeting Minutes 335 River Street - Michael Cnudde PHDC12-007 - Remove plywood, furring strips and tile from upper façade and brick columns on either side of the storefront, repair, repoint, and paint all brick masonry following recommendations from the Design Specialist, State Historic Preservation Office; Reconstruct wood cornice with brackets; Install projecting sign (signage will be approved by Museum Director when applicant wishes to install a sign); Install wood panels and trim on any areas of the storefront exposed by removing the plywood and tile; Remove “bath tile” and paint brick to match upper brick; Any changes to the windows or door will require approval from the Historic District Commission During renovation it was discovered that there was not brick behind the plywood and tile. Kelly Larson, Design Specialist from the State Historic Preservation Office was in town when it was discovered and she revised plans which were presented to the Emergency Review Committee. On October 12, 2012 the Emergency Review Subcommittee approved the following revised Façade Improvements for 335 River Street as follows:  Install wood panels and trim (simple design, not overly elaborate or detailed) on any areas of the storefront exposed by removing the plywood and tile.  Height of recessed entrance to extend up to original ceiling height (just below cornice) repair wood ceiling as needed.  All other recommendations for the façade outlined in the design services package (dated May 15, 2012) are to remain. As shown on Revised Façade Improvements plan dated 10/4/12. Applicant did not recess the entrance, wood panels and trim were not installed as shown on the application; adhesive from the “Bath Tile” was not removed before the building was painted. Commission asked that Jon Rose follow up with the applicant on the status of the project. Excerpt from March 7, 2013 Meeting Minutes “A” “B” 335 River Street – Mike Cnudde (PHCD12-007) The contractor for Mr. Cnudde brought two choices of Corbels for the building at 335 River Street. The Commissioners discussed the two. Corbel “A” was two pieces and the Commission decided that a combination of the outer bracket from Corbel “A” with Corbel “B” was best. Top will be shortened 1 ¼”so that it will protrude between ½” to 1” further than Corbel “B” Outer Bracket Corbel “A”/Corbel Outer Bracket (Corbel “A”) will be extended so the bottom will be flush with the bottom of (Corbel “B”) creating a combined Corbel “A/B” The Commission discussed which corbels needed replacement and reviewed the application and the Inspection Photo from the January Meeting. MOTION by John Perschbacher, seconded by Maria DeRee that the Historic District Commission approve the following: The existing ten large corbels will be replaced with the new combined Corbel “A/B” New trim piece is to be installed under the small corbels to remain similar to the adjacent building. Corbels and trim are to be painted to match the small corbels to remain on the building. With a roll call vote this motion passed 6 to 0. Yes: Eftaxiadis, Loveless, Perschbacher, DeRee, Carlson, Kracht No: None The Corbles and trim have been installed.

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